CrushAlot wrote:https://www.facebook.com/notes/the-knicks-fix/i-know-i-can-be-a-star-in-this-league/10156578531109089/

Every major American professional team sport has a league protocol in place for massive casualties. Basically a plane falling out of the sky and seeing an entire team get wiped out. There is usually a dispersal draft from existing teams. Some league's it's permanent, it others it's a "lend/lease" type situation.

So yes, if three planes full of NBA players crashed into each other, and landed right on top of the NBA All Star game, then plane fragments flying outward and slaughter every D1 college elite recruit in the country, then Yes, Burke could be a star in the NBA.

Burke would have to be Michonne from The Walking Dead. Basically 80 percent of the existing NBA would need to perish for him to be a star.

Plague. Solar flare. Captain Trips. Alien attack. Giant asteroid hits Earth because Bruce Willis can't drill fast enough in it.

There's a better chance that Bruce Willis will fly into space, land on an asteroid the size of Texas, and dig a hole deep enough to drop a nuke with Aerosmith playing in the background than Trey Burke being a star in the NBA.

So as the story goes, Willis convinced Liv Tyler he loved her and would leave Demi Moore for her, banged the hell out of her, then after filming stopped, dumped her. She got so mentally screwed up, she got super fat and they had to change the Lord Of The Rings Trilogy to basically filter her out of the last two films because she went full landwhale on everyone. A Elvish Landwhale. Which became the inspiration for Sofia Coppola, who got pumped and chucked by Willis too, to make Lost In Translation. Which made everyone believe Scarlett Johanssen could act.

Trey Burke would have a better chance ****ing an Elvish landwhale than being an NBA star.

So there's that.

Haters gonna hate.

Welpee wrote:There were a bunch of posters who said Burke was garbage, not to expect much when he got called up, what he was doing in the G-league wasn't legit, etc. I imagine people also would've laughed if someone said John Starks could be an all-star.

Haters gonna hate.

Dont remember a lot of posters being that down on Burke as far as calling him "garbage". More like skeptical.

Burke's offense was lighting up the G-League, but he had statistically the worse defense of any G league player, backcourt anyway.

The knock on Trey was that he didnt share the rock much. My attitude towards Burke was "why not?" Give him a shot.

What we learned later was that Burke went to the G league to become a better distributor. Showed that soon after joining the team.

His defense also picked up. Remember the coaching staff at the time suggesting that they were expecting worse.

Burke showed last season that he was up for fighting for the starting role. Great for Fizdale and the Knicks. Thats what he wants.

meloshouldgo wrote:If Fizdale is serious about positionlesss basketball, both Burke and Mudiay experiments will fizzle out quickly. Burke is too small to play any position in the NBA plus his lack of defense is well documented. Mudiay still hasn't shown anything. And sounds like Lee is also on his way out. That would leave us depleted at guard. Of course whether Fizdale is allowed to influence the roster and bring his philosophy to life remains to be seen. I think him declaring he has no starters was a great idea, hopefully he also established the metrics on which he will evaluate the players. Otherwise this will quickly decline into a accusations of favoritism and name calling.

i really hope we are not trading anyone in the first month. that will deplete morale of young team with thoughts of whats the point...i'll get traded etc
Mudiay hasn't shown anything but it looks like he took steps over the summer, but maybe Fiz is accentuating the positive with statement of "pushing pace, lowest turnover".
if he plays fast in preseason, i think he'll stick around

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:If Fizdale is serious about positionlesss basketball, both Burke and Mudiay experiments will fizzle out quickly. Burke is too small to play any position in the NBA plus his lack of defense is well documented. Mudiay still hasn't shown anything. And sounds like Lee is also on his way out. That would leave us depleted at guard. Of course whether Fizdale is allowed to influence the roster and bring his philosophy to life remains to be seen. I think him declaring he has no starters was a great idea, hopefully he also established the metrics on which he will evaluate the players. Otherwise this will quickly decline into a accusations of favoritism and name calling.

Saying Burke can't get better defensively is the same thing as saying Frank can't get better offensively.

Every player can get better if they are willing to put in the work, and that's the main thing you should be concern about. They both seem to have the work ethic so why not give both a fair shot.

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:If Fizdale is serious about positionlesss basketball, both Burke and Mudiay experiments will fizzle out quickly. Burke is too small to play any position in the NBA plus his lack of defense is well documented. Mudiay still hasn't shown anything. And sounds like Lee is also on his way out. That would leave us depleted at guard. Of course whether Fizdale is allowed to influence the roster and bring his philosophy to life remains to be seen. I think him declaring he has no starters was a great idea, hopefully he also established the metrics on which he will evaluate the players. Otherwise this will quickly decline into a accusations of favoritism and name calling.

Saying Burke can't get better defensively is the same thing as saying Frank can't get better offensively.

Every player can get better if they are willing to put in the work, and that's the main thing you should be concern about. They both seem to have the work ethic so why not give both a fair shot.

Agree generally that players can get better. Fizdale has said multiple times his team identify is going to be about playing hard nosed defense with an edge. In my opinion Trey Burke is not going to be able to do that, consistently. I have nothing against giving him a shot, he has earned that.

Cartman718 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:If Fizdale is serious about positionlesss basketball, both Burke and Mudiay experiments will fizzle out quickly. Burke is too small to play any position in the NBA plus his lack of defense is well documented. Mudiay still hasn't shown anything. And sounds like Lee is also on his way out. That would leave us depleted at guard. Of course whether Fizdale is allowed to influence the roster and bring his philosophy to life remains to be seen. I think him declaring he has no starters was a great idea, hopefully he also established the metrics on which he will evaluate the players. Otherwise this will quickly decline into a accusations of favoritism and name calling.

i really hope we are not trading anyone in the first month. that will deplete morale of young team with thoughts of whats the point...i'll get traded etc
Mudiay hasn't shown anything but it looks like he took steps over the summer, but maybe Fiz is accentuating the positive with statement of "pushing pace, lowest turnover".
if he plays fast in preseason, i think he'll stick around

I hope he doesn't go into the season thinking of trading anyone either. I want him to be honest about giving everyone an equal shot. I am projecting what I think will happen closer to the trade deadline, if he really focuses on defense the way he keeps talking about it. Burke may still work fine as a scoring spark of the bench. Mudiay - I don't honestly see him sticking.

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Burke is too small to play any position in the NBA plus his lack of defense is well documented.

Trey Burke - 6-1, 175 lbs.

Chris Paul, 9x all-defense - 6-0, 175 lbs.
Rajon Rondo, 4x all-defense - 6-1, 186 lbs.
Mike Conley, 1x all-defense - 6-1, 175 lbs.
Patrick Beverley, 2x all-defense - 6-1, 185 lbs.

Fair. None of those players ever had to play positionless basketball. However, if Burke plays defense like Rondo or Paul, you won't have to convince me about keeping him, system be damned.