Can it be done? I think it can.

Alot come of the books at the end of next season. If we can move Lees contract which should be doable in addition to stretching Noah I believe we will have enough for BOTH Kyrie and another guy.

Kawhi would be the top choice followed by Klay if he actually would be willing to move one from the warriors.

I dont think anyone else is worth max money unless Fizs system could incorporate another small like Kemba in addition to Kyrie,Frank,and Burke.

martin wrote:

KnixinSix wrote:If the objective is a championship we likely will need another max to go with Kyrie to compete with the best of the West.

Can it be done? I think it can.

Alot come of the books at the end of next season. If we can move Lees contract which should be doable in addition to stretching Noah I believe we will have enough for BOTH Kyrie and another guy.

Kawhi would be the top choice followed by Klay if he actually would be willing to move one from the warriors.

I dont think anyone else is worth max money unless Fizs system could incorporate another small like Kemba in addition to Kyrie,Frank,and Burke.

I'm using round number:

(Lee is gone, KP cap hold, Noah stretched)

Player 	2019-20 
Joakim Noah	 7,000,000 
Tim Hardaway	 18,150,000 
Lance Thomas	 1,000,000 
K Porzingis	 17,000,000 
Kevin Knox	 3,600,000 
2019 pick	 6,400,000 
Damyean Dotson	 1,600,000 
Trey Burke	 1,600,000 
Cap Holds	 2,500,000 
--------------------------------------
Total Salary	 58,850,000 
Projected Cap	 108,000,000 
Cap Space	 49,150,000 

You are about $20M short for 2 max contracts.

Our financial situation is really pretty good. Only bad contract is Noah. Lee is moveable. Everything else is fine moving forward.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

KnixinSix wrote:If the objective is a championship we likely will need another max to go with Kyrie to compete with the best of the West.

Can it be done? I think it can.

Alot come of the books at the end of next season. If we can move Lees contract which should be doable in addition to stretching Noah I believe we will have enough for BOTH Kyrie and another guy.

Kawhi would be the top choice followed by Klay if he actually would be willing to move one from the warriors.

I dont think anyone else is worth max money unless Fizs system could incorporate another small like Kemba in addition to Kyrie,Frank,and Burke.

I'm using round number:

(Lee is gone, KP cap hold, Noah stretched)

Player 	2019-20 
Joakim Noah	 7,000,000 
Tim Hardaway	 18,150,000 
Lance Thomas	 1,000,000 
K Porzingis	 17,000,000 
Kevin Knox	 3,600,000 
2019 pick	 6,400,000 
Damyean Dotson	 1,600,000 
Trey Burke	 1,600,000 
Cap Holds	 2,500,000 
--------------------------------------
Total Salary	 58,850,000 
Projected Cap	 108,000,000 
Cap Space	 49,150,000 

You are about $20M short for 2 max contracts.

Our financial situation is really pretty good. Only bad contract is Noah. Lee is moveable. Everything else is fine moving forward.

Why would you stretch NOAH, that makes no sense, to have 6 to 7 mill still on the books for 3 yrs after he's gone. That could be a valuable role players salary.

Once the knicks spend all their cap next yr, they can be just as busy the following yr with lance and noah coming of the books. Not only that, he is and expiring contract that could essentially be brought out for less by the trade dead line.

Seems like every off season some all star pops up and wants a new team

Of course you don't have to, it was just the scenario to find room for 2 max contracts.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

KnixinSix wrote:If the objective is a championship we likely will need another max to go with Kyrie to compete with the best of the West.

Can it be done? I think it can.

Alot come of the books at the end of next season. If we can move Lees contract which should be doable in addition to stretching Noah I believe we will have enough for BOTH Kyrie and another guy.

Kawhi would be the top choice followed by Klay if he actually would be willing to move one from the warriors.

I dont think anyone else is worth max money unless Fizs system could incorporate another small like Kemba in addition to Kyrie,Frank,and Burke.

I'm using round number:

(Lee is gone, KP cap hold, Noah stretched)

Player 	2019-20 
Joakim Noah	 7,000,000 
Tim Hardaway	 18,150,000 
Lance Thomas	 1,000,000 
K Porzingis	 17,000,000 
Kevin Knox	 3,600,000 
2019 pick	 6,400,000 
Damyean Dotson	 1,600,000 
Trey Burke	 1,600,000 
Cap Holds	 2,500,000 
--------------------------------------
Total Salary	 58,850,000 
Projected Cap	 108,000,000 
Cap Space	 49,150,000 

You are about $20M short for 2 max contracts.

Our financial situation is really pretty good. Only bad contract is Noah. Lee is moveable. Everything else is fine moving forward.

Why would you stretch NOAH, that makes no sense, to have 6 to 7 mill still on the books for 3 yrs after he's gone. That could be a valuable role players salary.

Once the knicks spend all their cap next yr, they can be just as busy the following yr with lance and noah coming of the books. Not only that, he is and expiring contract that could essentially be brought out for less by the trade dead line.

Seems like every off season some all star pops up and wants a new team

Of course you don't have to, it was just the scenario to find room for 2 max contracts.

Wouldn't next year be the only chance to get 2 max players? Kp's cap hold goes from 17 million to 27.5 million a year meaning we lose 10 million just by him signing his name. The more I think about it we may be forced to go all in even if it means trading away firsts to get rid of Noah and Hardaway. If that means having a team like this

KP
Knox
Kawhai
Irving
Frank

2019 Pick
Dotson
Robinson
Burke
2nd round 2019

so be it. That team could get to the finals

Jmpasq wrote:Wouldn't next year be the only chance to get 2 max players? Kp's cap hold goes from 17 million to 27.5 million a year meaning we lose 10 million just by him signing his name. The more I think about it we may be forced to go all in even if it means trading away firsts to get rid of Noah and Hardaway. If that means having a team like this

KP
Knox
Kawhai
Irving
Frank

2019 Pick
Dotson
Robinson
Burke
2nd round 2019

so be it. That team could get to the finals

This team couldn't get past the Celtics and probably not even Philly. If Kawhi gets injured (check his games played here) https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html then it's a first round exit. We have to be patient, we're at the beginning of our Process. So another 3-5 years to accumulate assets, draft well, and at the end of it we can try to target Free Agents with cap space to bring us over the top.

knickstorrents wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Wouldn't next year be the only chance to get 2 max players? Kp's cap hold goes from 17 million to 27.5 million a year meaning we lose 10 million just by him signing his name. The more I think about it we may be forced to go all in even if it means trading away firsts to get rid of Noah and Hardaway. If that means having a team like this

KP
Knox
Kawhai
Irving
Frank

2019 Pick
Dotson
Robinson
Burke
2nd round 2019

so be it. That team could get to the finals

This team couldn't get past the Celtics and probably not even Philly. If Kawhi gets injured (check his games played here) https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html then it's a first round exit. We have to be patient, we're at the beginning of our Process. So another 3-5 years to accumulate assets, draft well, and at the end of it we can try to target Free Agents with cap space to bring us over the top.

yeah i disagree, this team could beat them both depending on the type of player we get in the draft this year. This doesn't include the vet help we could get for the vet min either. I think we could get at least 1 more legitimate rotation player to jump on. I would go one way or the other though. Either go hard and try to get 2 FA's or continue to draft young players and stay flexible. I just hope Porzingis doesn't leave. I wouldn't sign Kyrie and stop there that team is a middling team going nowhere that can't compete.

Jmpasq wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Wouldn't next year be the only chance to get 2 max players? Kp's cap hold goes from 17 million to 27.5 million a year meaning we lose 10 million just by him signing his name. The more I think about it we may be forced to go all in even if it means trading away firsts to get rid of Noah and Hardaway. If that means having a team like this

KP
Knox
Kawhai
Irving
Frank

2019 Pick
Dotson
Robinson
Burke
2nd round 2019

so be it. That team could get to the finals

This team couldn't get past the Celtics and probably not even Philly. If Kawhi gets injured (check his games played here) https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html then it's a first round exit. We have to be patient, we're at the beginning of our Process. So another 3-5 years to accumulate assets, draft well, and at the end of it we can try to target Free Agents with cap space to bring us over the top.

yeah i disagree, this team could beat them both depending on the type of player we get in the draft this year. This doesn't include the vet help we could get for the vet min either. I think we could get at least 1 more legitimate rotation player to jump on. I would go one way or the other though. Either go hard and try to get 2 FA's or continue to draft young players and stay flexible. I just hope Porzingis doesn't leave. I wouldn't sign Kyrie and stop there that team is a middling team going nowhere that can't compete.

The Knicks have to resist trying to go too far too fast. That recipe leads to signing big names who come here and nest. Better steady progress with a youth corp who are supplemented not by MAX free agents but by well-paid, under-appreciated talents looking to prove their worth.

You dont pass that up for a longer rebuild if you dont have to!

Kristaps/Mitchell
Kahwi/Kristaps/Knox
THJ/Kawhi/Knox
Nkitilina/ThJ/Burke
Kyrie/Burke

Thats likely #1 in the East. Yes better than both Boston and Philly.