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BRIGGS
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6/14/2018  12:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2018  1:06 AM
Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

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6/14/2018  5:03 AM
BRIGGS wrote:I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

The "Pareto Principle" applies more to the NBA than in any other Western professional sport.

20 percent of the player personnel do 80 percent of the heavy lifting in the league in terms of impact. ( In other applications, 20 percent take 80 percent of the resources, 20 percent have 80 percent of the wealth - that's not accurate but it's a very raw principle, 80 percent of guys only have options with the bottom 20 percent of women, and on and on and on)

Your odds of getting that impact player who can do the heavy lifting ( quality) increase the higher up in the draft you go.

Trading back works in the NFL because it does not rely on "height dependency" for it's player corps. Also rosters are bigger and different roles are needed.

In the NBA, one player can impact every single play of every single game. Derek Jeter in his prime could only bat so many times a game. Or field so many balls. ( He was actually a pretty crappy SS for the last third of his career) Roger Clemens could only take the mound so many days in a season. Many NFL guys never even touch the ball.

The same reason you think the Knicks should trade down ( no value for the slot) is the same reason the non Knicks teams have no incentive to trade up.

I recognize you don't care. Logic means nothing when you've decided you want a player.

Your plans regarding Huerter are ignorant. More to point, you are willfully ignorant. Never before in "fandom" of the NBA, has more information been available to understand basic resource management. It's literally everywhere out there. You just don't care though. Actually it's more likely you are a plant to troll the board to create discussion.

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6/14/2018  5:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2018  5:46 AM
This is your new Kaminsky crush you think will be the next star. Unfortunetly that doesnt bode well for the Kid
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the more I read about Miles Bridges, the more I want him. He may not be the most talented, but I like what I see as far as character and competitor- I like his size and how he might be able to be a multi faceted forward that can guard multiple positions and hit the open 3.

No trading back!

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6/14/2018  9:08 AM
franco12 wrote:the more I read about Miles Bridges, the more I want him. He may not be the most talented, but I like what I see as far as character and competitor- I like his size and how he might be able to be a multi faceted forward that can guard multiple positions and hit the open 3.

No trading back!

Watch D wade tapes at Marquette than okogie

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6/14/2018  9:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2018  9:56 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

You just passed on Carter in the mock draft for Huerter.

Anyways, there are 9 players considered top prospects before a drop off in consensus. Just take the remaining one and run, no need to get fancy.

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6/14/2018  10:27 AM
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

You just passed on Carter in the mock draft for Huerter.

Anyways, there are 9 players considered top prospects before a drop off in consensus. Just take the remaining one and run, no need to get fancy.

If I can get both Okogie and Huerter or just m bridges. I'd rather the other two. I think they both might be better than bridges anyway

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6/14/2018  10:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/14/2018  10:33 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

You just passed on Carter in the mock draft for Huerter.

Anyways, there are 9 players considered top prospects before a drop off in consensus. Just take the remaining one and run, no need to get fancy.

If I can get both Okogie and Huerter or just m bridges. I'd rather the other two. I think they both might be better than bridges anyway

Of course there's always a chance, but Bridges is a much safer bet. He's NBA ready on both sides of the ball. One thing this playoffs showed is the future of the league is multi-positional defenders who can switch without an issue. Huerter is a good prospect but i'm concerned about him defensively. I want 2-way players.

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6/14/2018  10:50 AM
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

You just passed on Carter in the mock draft for Huerter.

Anyways, there are 9 players considered top prospects before a drop off in consensus. Just take the remaining one and run, no need to get fancy.

If I can get both Okogie and Huerter or just m bridges. I'd rather the other two. I think they both might be better than bridges anyway

Of course there's always a chance, but Bridges is a much safer bet. He's NBA ready on both sides of the ball. One thing this playoffs showed is the future of the league is multi-positional defenders who can switch without an issue. Huerter is a good prospect but i'm concerned about him defensively. I want 2-way players.

Briggs is not aware that defense exists or is important

Kaminsky-crush part Duex

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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6/14/2018  11:23 AM
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

You just passed on Carter in the mock draft for Huerter.

Anyways, there are 9 players considered top prospects before a drop off in consensus. Just take the remaining one and run, no need to get fancy.

If I can get both Okogie and Huerter or just m bridges. I'd rather the other two. I think they both might be better than bridges anyway

Of course there's always a chance, but Bridges is a much safer bet. He's NBA ready on both sides of the ball. One thing this playoffs showed is the future of the league is multi-positional defenders who can switch without an issue. Huerter is a good prospect but i'm concerned about him defensively. I want 2-way players.

Briggs is not aware that defense exists or is important

Kaminsky-crush part Duex

I actually feel bad for that kid. Whenever Briggs has a crush on you you're usually doomed. He never mentions Kaminsky anymore
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6/14/2018  11:31 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

You just passed on Carter in the mock draft for Huerter.

Anyways, there are 9 players considered top prospects before a drop off in consensus. Just take the remaining one and run, no need to get fancy.

If I can get both Okogie and Huerter or just m bridges. I'd rather the other two. I think they both might be better than bridges anyway

Of course there's always a chance, but Bridges is a much safer bet. He's NBA ready on both sides of the ball. One thing this playoffs showed is the future of the league is multi-positional defenders who can switch without an issue. Huerter is a good prospect but i'm concerned about him defensively. I want 2-way players.

Briggs is not aware that defense exists or is important

Kaminsky-crush part Duex

I actually feel bad for that kid. Whenever Briggs has a crush on you you're usually doomed. He never mentions Kaminsky anymore
i give Briggs crap... its fun, but I do love his excitement.
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6/14/2018  11:36 AM
fishmike wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

You just passed on Carter in the mock draft for Huerter.

Anyways, there are 9 players considered top prospects before a drop off in consensus. Just take the remaining one and run, no need to get fancy.

If I can get both Okogie and Huerter or just m bridges. I'd rather the other two. I think they both might be better than bridges anyway

Of course there's always a chance, but Bridges is a much safer bet. He's NBA ready on both sides of the ball. One thing this playoffs showed is the future of the league is multi-positional defenders who can switch without an issue. Huerter is a good prospect but i'm concerned about him defensively. I want 2-way players.

Briggs is not aware that defense exists or is important

Kaminsky-crush part Duex

I actually feel bad for that kid. Whenever Briggs has a crush on you you're usually doomed. He never mentions Kaminsky anymore
i give Briggs crap... its fun, but I do love his excitement.
Me too. Its entertaining at least
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6/15/2018  9:39 AM
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

You just passed on Carter in the mock draft for Huerter.

Anyways, there are 9 players considered top prospects before a drop off in consensus. Just take the remaining one and run, no need to get fancy.

If I can get both Okogie and Huerter or just m bridges. I'd rather the other two. I think they both might be better than bridges anyway

Of course there's always a chance, but Bridges is a much safer bet. He's NBA ready on both sides of the ball. One thing this playoffs showed is the future of the league is multi-positional defenders who can switch without an issue. Huerter is a good prospect but i'm concerned about him defensively. I want 2-way players.

Briggs is not aware that defense exists or is important

Kaminsky-crush part Duex

Defensively versatility is so important in today's league. These guys have to switch everything with the shooters. Look at GS. Durant, Green, Iggy, and Thompson can switch everything. Look at Boston. Tatum, Brown, Horford, Morris, and Smart are also interchangeable. Bridges and Ntilikina could give us the opportunity to replicate this. Bridges can really shoot it too. I prefer that than gambling on Huerter who only shows upside as a shooter/scorer. Briggs has been infactuated this year with guys like Huerter, Beasley, Isaiah Thomas, Jabari Parker, etc. We simply can't build a team with these types of scorers who are so limited defensively. We need versatility on both sides of the ball. Ideally we have Porzingis and a scoring PG (Kyrie or Kemba maybe) and surround them with interchangeable shooter/defender types. Bridges and Ntilikina are a start.

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6/15/2018  9:58 AM
Knixkik wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

You just passed on Carter in the mock draft for Huerter.

Anyways, there are 9 players considered top prospects before a drop off in consensus. Just take the remaining one and run, no need to get fancy.

If I can get both Okogie and Huerter or just m bridges. I'd rather the other two. I think they both might be better than bridges anyway

Of course there's always a chance, but Bridges is a much safer bet. He's NBA ready on both sides of the ball. One thing this playoffs showed is the future of the league is multi-positional defenders who can switch without an issue. Huerter is a good prospect but i'm concerned about him defensively. I want 2-way players.

Briggs is not aware that defense exists or is important

Kaminsky-crush part Duex

Defensively versatility is so important in today's league. These guys have to switch everything with the shooters. Look at GS. Durant, Green, Iggy, and Thompson can switch everything. Look at Boston. Tatum, Brown, Horford, Morris, and Smart are also interchangeable. Bridges and Ntilikina could give us the opportunity to replicate this. Bridges can really shoot it too. I prefer that than gambling on Huerter who only shows upside as a shooter/scorer. Briggs has been infactuated this year with guys like Huerter, Beasley, Isaiah Thomas, Jabari Parker, etc. We simply can't build a team with these types of scorers who are so limited defensively. We need versatility on both sides of the ball. Ideally we have Porzingis and a scoring PG (Kyrie or Kemba maybe) and surround them with interchangeable shooter/defender types. Bridges and Ntilikina are a start.

Look at the contracts. Teams are willing to give big contracts to defensive guys who cant do anything but spot up for 3. Bridges does this for us, and hes got a very high ceiling above just a 3&D type.

I would be open to Sexton because of his defensive upside as well. He's a very long player and athletic freak. His court vision appears suspect as does his shooting but he's such a maniac and plays so hard and has such physical tools he's interesting.

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6/15/2018  10:46 AM
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Trade down and get Huerter and Okogie.

Id like to use pick 36 on the kid from Marshall. Colson Larrier and Davis Udfa if available


Huerter and Colson out for summer so we'd get to look at 4 kids.


Huerter is the best shooter in draft.
Okogie has that DWade/ D Mitchell body with the power length athletics package that almost always translates great in the NBA.

I want maximum value-- and if Carter and Young are gone-- I'm truly scared of what's left at thAt tier. I think any reasonable fan puke think the combinTion of Huerter and Okogie trumps anything left on the board there- tough part is finding th e right trade down to get it done

You just passed on Carter in the mock draft for Huerter.

Anyways, there are 9 players considered top prospects before a drop off in consensus. Just take the remaining one and run, no need to get fancy.

If I can get both Okogie and Huerter or just m bridges. I'd rather the other two. I think they both might be better than bridges anyway

Of course there's always a chance, but Bridges is a much safer bet. He's NBA ready on both sides of the ball. One thing this playoffs showed is the future of the league is multi-positional defenders who can switch without an issue. Huerter is a good prospect but i'm concerned about him defensively. I want 2-way players.

Briggs is not aware that defense exists or is important

Kaminsky-crush part Duex

Defensively versatility is so important in today's league. These guys have to switch everything with the shooters. Look at GS. Durant, Green, Iggy, and Thompson can switch everything. Look at Boston. Tatum, Brown, Horford, Morris, and Smart are also interchangeable. Bridges and Ntilikina could give us the opportunity to replicate this. Bridges can really shoot it too. I prefer that than gambling on Huerter who only shows upside as a shooter/scorer. Briggs has been infactuated this year with guys like Huerter, Beasley, Isaiah Thomas, Jabari Parker, etc. We simply can't build a team with these types of scorers who are so limited defensively. We need versatility on both sides of the ball. Ideally we have Porzingis and a scoring PG (Kyrie or Kemba maybe) and surround them with interchangeable shooter/defender types. Bridges and Ntilikina are a start.

Look at the contracts. Teams are willing to give big contracts to defensive guys who cant do anything but spot up for 3. Bridges does this for us, and hes got a very high ceiling above just a 3&D type.

I would be open to Sexton because of his defensive upside as well. He's a very long player and athletic freak. His court vision appears suspect as does his shooting but he's such a maniac and plays so hard and has such physical tools he's interesting.

Great point about the contracts. Look at Otto Porter making 100M, Covington making 60M (and considered a bargain contract.) Porter, despite making crazy money for essentially a souped-up role player, isn't talked about as a mistake or bad contract. People understand the value of these guys even without the all-star credentials.

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6/15/2018  11:20 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
franco12 wrote:the more I read about Miles Bridges, the more I want him. He may not be the most talented, but I like what I see as far as character and competitor- I like his size and how he might be able to be a multi faceted forward that can guard multiple positions and hit the open 3.

No trading back!

Watch D wade tapes at Marquette than okogie


D Wade was far more skilled and controlled than okogie. You can't look at every short shooting guard and say they're the next Wade or Beal. You can't look at every 6'7" three point shooter who can drive on close outs and say he's the next Klay. I like Okogie and Heurter, but let's temper expectations.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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6/15/2018  1:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2018  1:04 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:This is your new Kaminsky crush you think will be the next star. Unfortunetly that doesnt bode well for the Kid

Actually he's been getting a lot of talk lately and is climbing a lot of draft boards. I even saw him going in the 1st round in a mock the other day. Kid plays great defense and has some offense but that defense is pretty damn good.

I've been a big fan of Huerter and he does play defense even though some on here doesn't think he does because he's white.

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6/15/2018  1:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/15/2018  1:26 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:This is your new Kaminsky crush you think will be the next star. Unfortunetly that doesnt bode well for the Kid

Actually he's been getting a lot of talk lately and is climbing a lot of draft boards. I even saw him going in the 1st round in a mock the other day. Kid plays great defense and has some offense but that defense is pretty damn good.

I've been a big fan of Huerter and he does play defense even though some on here doesn't think he does because he's white.

i never said the kid wasnt a good prospect...quite the opposite actually. My post was more about Briggs wanting to package frank along with the 36th pick so we can get a later first rounder and draft him
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6/15/2018  1:22 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:This is your new Kaminsky crush you think will be the next star. Unfortunetly that doesnt bode well for the Kid

Actually he's been getting a lot of talk lately and is climbing a lot of draft boards. I even saw him going in the 1st round in a mock the other day. Kid plays great defense and has some offense but that defense is pretty damn good.

I've been a big fan of Huerter and he does play defense even though some on here doesn't think he does because he's white.

He plays hard on defense but doesn't project as a great NBA defender because of below average lateral quickness and lack of strength. His frame doesn't suggest he will fill out tremendously either. But i think he can definitely be a pretty good NBA player, the league is geared towards shooters excelling.

If we can't get Carter or Young

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