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6/6/2018  10:19 AM
That's not how they do it in Alaska lol

LEE TO MINNESOTA FOR COLE ALDRICH, SALARY FILLER AND THE 48TH PICK IN THE DRAFT from the article...
that makes some sense

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6/6/2018  10:22 AM
Lee is OK. The only issue with having him here is he's not a long term anything. Everyone would like to see his minutes taken by THJ, Frank, Dotson, anyone future oriented, but that doesnt mean Lee is bad. He's a willing defender and hits the 3 at a great % and he's been a good pro.
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6/6/2018  10:23 AM
Cartman718 wrote:That's not how they do it in Alaska lol

LEE TO MINNESOTA FOR COLE ALDRICH, SALARY FILLER AND THE 48TH PICK IN THE DRAFT from the article...
that makes some sense

that seems realistic or maybe the philly trade. From what ive read the knicks have been asking a lot for lee(something like a mid first and no salary taken Back) and obviously nobody will do that.
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6/6/2018  10:24 AM
fishmike wrote:Lee is OK. The only issue with having him here is he's not a long term anything. Everyone would like to see his minutes taken by THJ, Frank, Dotson, anyone future oriented, but that doesnt mean Lee is bad. He's a willing defender and hits the 3 at a great % and he's been a good pro.
i like lee. But if we can get something decent along with some cap relief it would really help out next summer
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6/6/2018  12:01 PM
I don't get the rush to get rid of Lee, a good guy and a solid pro. As shown by last year's trade deadline, teams aren't giving up a #1 for him. If the Knicks could get a nice return then why sure, but for a 13th man and a number 2 pick...what's the point?
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6/6/2018  12:44 PM
Most models constructing a young team generally includes having good veterans to lead by example on and off the court.
Lee still is this guy and we are still a very young team.
I get the logjam but he is a proven commodity and leadership capable where the 48th pick is "Prospect" and we seem to have an abundance of non blue chip "Opportunites" already.
Nalod has no strong opinion to get rid of him unless there is compelling value in return. Perhaps as part of a package his inclusion might make sense.
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6/6/2018  2:46 PM
Lee is a solid citizen and player, but with KP out, his chance to be on a contending team in a NY uniform is dwindling.

Have no problem if he stays because he is a veteran influence, with a good rep, who can set a tone for our younger players.

More likely, IMO, that it would be a contending team who would want him, a team looking for a veteran who can play a complimentary role as a shooter and defender. OKC could have really used him in the playoffs- a guy who can defend at SG, knock down some 3s, and even play SF in certain situations.

Minnesota would be the kind of team he would fit in well with, but I don't like the offer that was talked about here.

If we could get into the low to mid 20's, I'd include our #36 with him if it was need to sweeten the deal.

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6/6/2018  3:03 PM
Nalod wrote:Most models constructing a young team generally includes having good veterans to lead by example on and off the court.
Lee still is this guy and we are still a very young team.
I get the logjam but he is a proven commodity and leadership capable where the 48th pick is "Prospect" and we seem to have an abundance of non blue chip "Opportunites" already.
Nalod has no strong opinion to get rid of him unless there is compelling value in return. Perhaps as part of a package his inclusion might make sense.

Agree for the most part. The only concern is Lee is at age when you never know when he will hit the wall physically it could be in two years or it could be next move. Still like him for his leadership either way. But worried about his trade value dropping.
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6/6/2018  3:08 PM
I had mentioned in a previous thread sending him to Minn for Aldrich or Denver for Faried. The key is to get a player on a contract with 1 less year on it to open up the flexibility for next summer. That alone is enough value.
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6/6/2018  3:18 PM
LEE TO PHILADELPHIA FOR JERRYD BAYLESS AND THE 38TH PICK IN THE DRAFT
This framework—Lee for the expiring contract of a less useful player and a draft asset—is the most likely scenario by which the Knicks’ shooting guard finds himself on a different team. Given those parameters, the 76ers would seem to make a lot of sense, simply because they have a ton of cap space and a player they’d like to get rid of in Jerryd Bayless, who is entering the last year of a deal that will pay him $8.5 million. They could also use a wing like Lee.

Here’s the problem, however: The Sixers, by all indications, are going big game hunting this offseason. Moving Bayless and getting back no salary in return makes that plan a lot easier. With several teams in the league having no intention of winning and cap space to burn (Atlanta, Brooklyn, Chicago, and Sacramento all qualify), Philly would just as easily be able to move Bayless’ deadweight contract along with the 38th and 39th picks (or the 26th pick if that’s what it took) to one of those teams in exchange for a future protected second-rounder.

The only way Lee comes into play for Philly is if they strike out on big-name free agents like LeBron James and Paul George. Even then, taking on Lee would mean punting on some of their cap space for next summer, when Kawhi Leonard and Klay Thompson both become available. Both would be natural targets for the Sixers.

All in all, despite making some sense on paper, the Philly front office would have to be pretty desperate—and more than a little shortsighted—to make a play for Lee (to say nothing of having to tear themselves away from their burner accounts for a few minutes).

LEE AND EMMANUEL MUDIAY TO WASHINGTON FOR IAN MAHINMI AND THE 15TH PICK IN THE 2018 DRAFT
Don’t think I can’t see the bug eyes you just made from the other side of this screen. That’s right! What has two thumbs and is proposing the Knicks take on what might be the only contract from the summer of 2016 that’s worse than Noah’s? This guy, that’s who!

On its face, it’s a little nuts. Scott Perry recently came out and said explicitly that the team is positioning itself to be a player in the 2019 free agent market. Taking on someone who makes more than Lee in 2019-20 would seem to run counter to that plan. A deeper look reveals otherwise.

More than any move listed here, this trade would truly show that the Knicks’ brass has finally elevated from playing checkers to playing chess. It would reveal how much they understand that picks in the top half of the first round are more valuable now than ever. It is impossible to win in the NBA simply by paying fair value to a bunch of very good players (to say nothing of overpaying bad ones). You need to have some bargains on your roster as well, and rookie contracts are the best ones around.

Would the Knicks need to be in love with a player at 15 to make this sort of move? Almost certainly. But with the possibility that Lonnie Walker, Zhaire Smith or even Miles Bridges could fall to that spot, that may wind up being the case.

This move also wouldn’t take them out of the running for max cap space in 2019. Sure, it would require holding off on a KP extension, in addition to waiving and stretching both Noah and Mahinmi. Is that less than ideal? Of course. If Kawhi Leonard or Klay Thompson is willing to sign, do you do it in a heartbeat? Absolutely.

Far more likely is that this would kick the can down the road to 2020, which is when a big name could possibly come to New York anyway. Scott Perry acknowledged as much on his recent podcast appearance when he mentioned both 2019 and 2020 as their target summers for landing a big fish.

Even if they were content with swallowing the money left on Mahinmi’s deal, this trade probably isn’t happening if Enes Kanter opts in, unless Noah is bought out before the season and they let Kyle O’Quinn walk. It’s a long shot, but far from impossible (and to those wondering, yes, taking on a Mahinmi-level albatross is the going rate for a pick of this caliber in the current financial climate. The Nikola Mirotic deal which netted the Bulls what turned out to be the 22nd pick in this year’s draft and forced them to take on the remaining $14.2 million in guaranteed money owed to Omer Asik is instructive here. Asik’s contract is less onerous than Mahinmi, but Mirotic is a better player on a shorter contract and the 15th pick is considerably more valuable than the 22nd).

LEE AND THE 36TH PICK TO PORTLAND FOR MYERS LEONARD AND THE 24TH PICK
This one actually makes a lot of sense.

The Blazers are among the most capped out teams in the league for the foreseeable future (and that’s not considering what they’ll have to dole out to keep Jusuf Nurkic). For them, this would be about getting something for the money they’re going to spend anyway, as opposed to the nothing they’re currently getting from Leonard. The bonus (for the Knicks) of Portland being in cap hell is that even if a team like Atlanta or Chicago was willing to take Leonard for the 24th pick without sending back any salary, it wouldn’t make any cognizable difference to a Portland team that will be over the cap regardless.

For the Knicks, they wouldn’t make this trade unless two things were true: there was a player there at 24 who they loved that they knew wouldn’t fall to 36 (Donte DiVincenzo and Troy Brown come to mind), and the market on Lee was so tepid that simply moving him for expiring salary wasn’t an option. Don’t rule that last part out.

LEE TO DETROIT FOR LANGSTON GALLOWAY AND STANLEY JOHNSON
This is one that, based on his brief history here, would seem to be right up Scott Perry’s alley. In less than a full year on the job, Perry has acquired underperforming former high lottery picks Michael Beasley (2nd pick in 2008), Trey Burke (9th pick in 2013), and Emmanuel Mudiay (7th pick in 2015) in fairly low-risk moves. Johnson, taken two spots after Mudiay, would fall under the same umbrella.

Whether or not this is a trade that could ever occur depends entirely on the direction that Detroit’s yet-to-be-hired front office personnel decide to take the franchise. With no first-round draft pick, no conceivable way to unload the recently acquired Blake Griffin, and little discernable market for Andre Drummond (at least not if the Pistons want fair value), one would think that a win-now approach is in order. Lee helps that cause far more than Galloway, who was in and out of the rotation thanks to some less than scintillating 37 percent shooting on the year.

Ultimately, the likelihood of this trade comes down to how the organization views Stanley Johnson. The Pistons recently parted ways with GM Jeff Bowers, the man who, along with ex-head coach and President of Basketball Ops Stan Van Gundy, drafted the former Wildcat. Like Mudiay and Kristaps Porzingis, he’s due to be a restricted free agent next summer. If the new brain trust doesn’t see Stanley as part of the future, this wouldn’t be the worst deal to make.

LEE TO MINNESOTA FOR COLE ALDRICH, SALARY FILLER AND THE 48TH PICK IN THE DRAFT
This is the closest thing to a straight salary dump deal, with a token asset thrown in for good measure. Aldrich’s salary is only guaranteed for $2 million next season, but the trigger date is June 20th, so this deal would need to happen at least a day before the draft. It’s no guarantee Minnesota would even pull the trigger here, as there are other teams in the league that will value cap space this summer a lot more than the Knicks (Bayless and one of Philly’s bevy of second rounders for Aldrich actually makes a ton of sense). The Wolves would really need to value what Lee brings to the table, which they very well might.

On New York’s side, this would certainly be a move of last resort. The 48th pick isn’t exactly prime hunting grounds, and it’s not like they’re benefiting from having a few extra dollars this offseason anyway based on what the front office has said. The only way this trade happens is if they’ve been playing coy and there is indeed someone they have their sights set on this July. Don’t count on it.

LEE TO DENVER FOR KENNETH FARIED AND THE 43RD PICK IN THE DRAFT
The collective ears of the Knicks fanbase (and several other fanbases) perked up last week when Woj reported that the Nuggets might be willing to offer the 14th pick to the team willing to take on Kenneth Faried.

Everyone needs to slow their roll. The reason why Denver would be willing to do such a seemingly insane thing—expend a lottery pick just to dump an expiring contract—has to do with the particulars of their financial situation.

As of now, the Nuggets are merely set to be over the cap next season, assuming both Darrell Arthur ($7.4 million) and Wilson Chandler ($12.8 million) opt into the final years of their contracts. With the NBA’s nuclear winter coming, it’s a safe bet both do. The problem comes in the form of their big man, Nikola Jokic. The Nuggets need to get Jokic’s extension—almost certainly to be a max—done this summer to avoid him becoming an unrestricted free agent in 2019. Denver will be knee deep in the luxury tax by the time all is said and done.

This is not something they want to deal with. Sending over Lee in exchange for Faried only saves them a few million dollars, which won’t help much. Therefore, the only way this trade happens is if the Nuggets refuse to part ways with the 14th pick unless they get back a decent draft asset in return (Faried and 14 to Indiana for Al Jefferson’s non-guaranteed expiring contract and the 23rd pick makes a lot of sense). If that’s the case, maybe Denver bites the bullet, attempts to shed salary later in the year, and takes on Lee, who could replicate what they figure to lose after Will Barton walks.

The only way the Knicks could realistically be in the running for the 14th pick is if Enes Kanter and Kyle O’Quinn both opt out and they end up taking Faried into their cap space without sending out salary (Lee wouldn’t be involved in this case). They’d need to send some sweeteners to Denver to get them to think about doing the deal, and not ones that cost much money. Faried, Arthur, and the 14th pick in exchange for Trey Burke (who has a team option minimum contract for next season) and the 36th pick might get them to at least consider a swap. Denver would surely ask for Damyean Dotson in the trade, which could easily be a sticking point.

If nothing else, while this summer won’t be nearly as stressful as Scott Perry’s first on the job—the summer of Melo—it has the potential to be a whole lot more active. If he’s able to be creative and shed Lee’s salary for something resembling a legitimate asset, he’ll continue to make Knicks fans feel great about the direction the franchise is headed.

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6/6/2018  6:01 PM
Are the Nuggets trying to clear cap space or are they just done with Faried? That seems like a reasonable trade if they just want to be done with Faried. Faried doesn't score like Bease but he could take his spot in the rotation if Bease isn't brought back.
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6/6/2018  8:38 PM
I wonder how willing the Thunder would be to pay the luxury tax if they re-sign Paul George? Courtney Lee would be a perfect fit there and they definitely have some deadweight (albeit shorter) contracts that could be used to facilitate a deal. Courtney Lee and Damyean Dotson for Alex Abrines, Kyle Singler and Terrance Ferguson seems like a reasonable deal for both sides.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabnh2wk

Alex Abrines is an expiring contract; Kyle Singler is deadweight but is still $6 million cheaper than Lee is over the same length of time; and the Ferguson-Dotson exchange is another avenue for us to derive value. Both players are projects but- in my opinion- Dotson (24 years old) is closer to being a rotation player and hence more valuable to the win-now Thunder than Ferguson (20 years old). On the other hand, Ferguson undoubtedly has more value to us since he is a higher ceiling player who we have the minutes and opportunity to develop, unlike the Thunder.

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6/6/2018  9:01 PM
NardDogNation wrote:I wonder how willing the Thunder would be to pay the luxury tax if they re-sign Paul George? Courtney Lee would be a perfect fit there and they definitely have some deadweight (albeit shorter) contracts that could be used to facilitate a deal. Courtney Lee and Damyean Dotson for Alex Abrines, Kyle Singler and Terrance Ferguson seems like a reasonable deal for both sides.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabnh2wk

Alex Abrines is an expiring contract; Kyle Singler is deadweight but is still $6 million cheaper than Lee is over the same length of time; and the Ferguson-Dotson exchange is another avenue for us to derive value. Both players are projects but- in my opinion- Dotson (24 years old) is closer to being a rotation player and hence more valuable to the win-now Thunder than Ferguson (20 years old). On the other hand, Ferguson undoubtedly has more value to us since he is a higher ceiling player who we have the minutes and opportunity to develop, unlike the Thunder.

I think I'd even take Patrick Patterson's contract in the deal to provide the Thunder with a $5 million trade exception and a little more wiggling room to re-sign Jeremi Grant.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycoddor2

I actually liked Patterson for some time and think he could offer similar positional value that Beasley did this season. Worse comes to worse, he's only owed another $11 million or so over the next two season and could be traded to another franchise in need of a veteran 4 off the bench.

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6/7/2018  12:02 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I wonder how willing the Thunder would be to pay the luxury tax if they re-sign Paul George? Courtney Lee would be a perfect fit there and they definitely have some deadweight (albeit shorter) contracts that could be used to facilitate a deal. Courtney Lee and Damyean Dotson for Alex Abrines, Kyle Singler and Terrance Ferguson seems like a reasonable deal for both sides.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabnh2wk

Alex Abrines is an expiring contract; Kyle Singler is deadweight but is still $6 million cheaper than Lee is over the same length of time; and the Ferguson-Dotson exchange is another avenue for us to derive value. Both players are projects but- in my opinion- Dotson (24 years old) is closer to being a rotation player and hence more valuable to the win-now Thunder than Ferguson (20 years old). On the other hand, Ferguson undoubtedly has more value to us since he is a higher ceiling player who we have the minutes and opportunity to develop, unlike the Thunder.

I think I'd even take Patrick Patterson's contract in the deal to provide the Thunder with a $5 million trade exception and a little more wiggling room to re-sign Jeremi Grant.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycoddor2

I actually liked Patterson for some time and think he could offer similar positional value that Beasley did this season. Worse comes to worse, he's only owed another $11 million or so over the next two season and could be traded to another franchise in need of a veteran 4 off the bench.


Wouldn't mind this deal. But Paul George re-signing is a bit iffy at this point.
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6/7/2018  11:05 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I wonder how willing the Thunder would be to pay the luxury tax if they re-sign Paul George? Courtney Lee would be a perfect fit there and they definitely have some deadweight (albeit shorter) contracts that could be used to facilitate a deal. Courtney Lee and Damyean Dotson for Alex Abrines, Kyle Singler and Terrance Ferguson seems like a reasonable deal for both sides.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabnh2wk

Alex Abrines is an expiring contract; Kyle Singler is deadweight but is still $6 million cheaper than Lee is over the same length of time; and the Ferguson-Dotson exchange is another avenue for us to derive value. Both players are projects but- in my opinion- Dotson (24 years old) is closer to being a rotation player and hence more valuable to the win-now Thunder than Ferguson (20 years old). On the other hand, Ferguson undoubtedly has more value to us since he is a higher ceiling player who we have the minutes and opportunity to develop, unlike the Thunder.

I think I'd even take Patrick Patterson's contract in the deal to provide the Thunder with a $5 million trade exception and a little more wiggling room to re-sign Jeremi Grant.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycoddor2

I actually liked Patterson for some time and think he could offer similar positional value that Beasley did this season. Worse comes to worse, he's only owed another $11 million or so over the next two season and could be traded to another franchise in need of a veteran 4 off the bench.


Wouldn't mind this deal. But Paul George re-signing is a bit iffy at this point.

Even if PG13 does leave, does it change the Thunder's position on the deal? At the end of the day, Abrines and Singler is still dead money....and they still need to bring in players to appease Westbrook.

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6/8/2018  12:08 AM
NardDogNation wrote:I wonder how willing the Thunder would be to pay the luxury tax if they re-sign Paul George? Courtney Lee would be a perfect fit there and they definitely have some deadweight (albeit shorter) contracts that could be used to facilitate a deal. Courtney Lee and Damyean Dotson for Alex Abrines, Kyle Singler and Terrance Ferguson seems like a reasonable deal for both sides.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabnh2wk

Alex Abrines is an expiring contract; Kyle Singler is deadweight but is still $6 million cheaper than Lee is over the same length of time; and the Ferguson-Dotson exchange is another avenue for us to derive value. Both players are projects but- in my opinion- Dotson (24 years old) is closer to being a rotation player and hence more valuable to the win-now Thunder than Ferguson (20 years old). On the other hand, Ferguson undoubtedly has more value to us since he is a higher ceiling player who we have the minutes and opportunity to develop, unlike the Thunder.

Any reasonable deal that yielded Ferguson is worth exploring - interesting young talent.

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6/8/2018  6:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/8/2018  7:07 AM
Knixkik wrote:I had mentioned in a previous thread sending him to Minn for Aldrich or Denver for Faried. The key is to get a player on a contract with 1 less year on it to open up the flexibility for next summer. That alone is enough value.

Wow some of these are realistic. Unlike the other thread where we trade the corpse of Noah and Frank for 4 time All Star Demar Derozan.
I still don't think he would fetch anything more than a late 2nd and a bad contract but some of these are for sure worth exploring. However as far as I'm concerned Lee is the least of our problems. Other than trying to find room for more minutes for our youth on the wing we don't need to trade him. His contract isn't terrible and it runs out when Noahs deal ends. As far as i'm concerned I'd be way more interested in getting rid of Hardaway. The main reason I have no faith in this FO is that they didn't draw the line at 3 years for Hardaway jr.. That extra year cripples the Knicks in the summer of 2020 when we could of had opened up the space for 2 max FA's along with a boatload of young players not yet eligible for longer deals. Look at what the Celtics did, they are loaded. They got 2 stars last off-season, one in FA to an already in place Horford. Now they can go over the cap to resign their own FA's. Our FO does not understand these simple advantages built into the cap. Think about it, had the Celtics not signed Hayward last off-season they would of been capped out by resigning Brown, Rozier, and Smart anyway. Hayward was the gravy.
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Why would we trade LEE, he's productive, low maintenance, decent salary, high character, really good FT shooter, and a solid vet to have in the locker room.

I don't see the logic in trading him unless your getting something more than what he brings.

Dude is only been here 2 seasons and were entertaining trading him, it's no wonder this franchise is a revolving door.

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