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diderotn
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9/5/2004  10:11 PM
The Knicks are a new team and should be heading toward this season with a fresh face, attitude, etc. It is now time to truly expose our identity. Out goes the old, and in with our new philosophy. Our starting lineup should not include Kurt Thomas. I think that it is imperative to start Sweetney and Naser in our frontcourt. That would give our conductor (Marburry) ample amount of time to develop that much needed chemistry which will help us greatly if we make the playoffs. Our rotation should be as follow:

Marburry
Crawff
TT
Sweetney
Naser

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Houston
JYD OR Ariza
Kurt OR JYD (if he is still a Knick)
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9/5/2004  10:13 PM
Shandon should be riding the IR. Kurt, however, is still our best low-post defender.
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9/5/2004  10:17 PM
I do believe that you are very wrong about Kurt. Our best low-post defender right now is JYD. His ability to move laterally, and his fierce competitive attitude will contaminate all of our guys. YOu will see.
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9/5/2004  10:34 PM
I do believe that we have a pretty excellent squad, our only problem will be the fact that we have a bunch of unwanted high price players on our squad that will be taking playing time from our young boys. Ariza, Sweetney will need to be on the court, but the presence of Kurt and Anderson will not help. Isiah knows that and he is trying his best to resolve that problem.
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9/5/2004  10:52 PM
I would gladly take on a bum player making the max or close to it if it ment loosing KT and Anderson.....

They are the two players that just don't make sense to what Isiah is trying to do......

With Penny on the squad Shandon makes no sense......Crawford will get the most minutes and Ariza should get the garbage.....Shandon needs to be bought out before season starts....

KT is different. KT at least can be effective but in order for Isiah's plan to work either KT plays center again or he's gotta go. KT is too slow to be the main option at the 4.

They say Sweetney is slow but dude was beating guards down the court in the summer league.

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9/5/2004  10:52 PM
they are close but i would say KT can guard Cs and jerome really cant.

jerome is definitely a good player, a winning type player who brings a lot to the table but i have no idea where he fits. he sure is good to have in terms of depth which i believe will be the knicks best bet in the frontcourt if things go sour with nazr or sweets.

if things dont i expect sweetney and nazr to both get close to 35 minutes thats what we want to happen
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9/5/2004  10:58 PM
Kurt as a center is the worst of ideas that I have ever heard. He can guard Centers??? are you all insane? The East is no longer what it was two to three years ago. Kurt couldn't even guard Kenyon Martin, what makes you think that he can guard Shaq, Oneal, Illguskas, etc? Didn't you see what Illguskas do to the Knicks last few times we played Cleveland?
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9/5/2004  11:03 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Kurt as a center is the worst of ideas that I have ever heard. He can guard Centers??? are you all insane? The East is no longer what it was two to three years ago. Kurt couldn't even guard Kenyon Martin, what makes you think that he can guard Shaq, Oneal, Illguskas, etc? Didn't you see what Illguskas do to the Knicks last few times we played Cleveland?
Kurt can't guard speedy players like K-Mart. Kurt can guard guys who are heavier and taller than him. He had his best NBA years as a center because he's a tough low-post defender. Kurt might struggle against a 7'3" center like Big Z. No one said he can guard *every* center in the NBA. He can guard about 90% of them well, though.
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9/5/2004  11:04 PM
well thats a big defeciency we have and thats why i think we will win somewhere between 38-43 ball games--the only way we win more is nazr and sweetney both play at the optimal level of what the team expects. we still wont have anyone who can close out the lane, no matter what.
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9/5/2004  11:12 PM
BRIGGS! I agree with you and disagree at the same time. Yes it is a deficiency, and the only reason that it is so is because Kurt Thomas will demand to be in our starting lineup, and that along will perhaps kill our chemistry or esprit de corps as a team. As I have said, Sweeteny and Arizza have to get some playing time. Moreover, Sweetney needs to be on the court with our starting lineup to quickly develop chemistry. It is critical for our starting lineup to play together, very critical.
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9/6/2004  7:36 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Kurt as a center is the worst of ideas that I have ever heard. He can guard Centers??? are you all insane? The East is no longer what it was two to three years ago. Kurt couldn't even guard Kenyon Martin, what makes you think that he can guard Shaq, Oneal, Illguskas, etc? Didn't you see what Illguskas do to the Knicks last few times we played Cleveland?

Would you prefer Nazr to guard them?
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9/6/2004  7:49 AM
Kurt Thomas is a good player.
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9/6/2004  9:46 AM
He is a good player, but does he answer our problems up front??? Hell no. That is why we must trade him before he depreciate.
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9/6/2004  10:37 AM
Posted by diderotn:

He is a good player, but does he answer our problems up front??? Hell no.
A few desperate needs of ours that he does help us with: He's our best low-post defender, best shot-blocker, and best help defender. If we can trade him and get something reasonable back (someone who can help us now and in the future, that's fine, but I wouldn't be dying to trade him like some people here are.


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09/06/2004 10:38:23]
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9/6/2004  11:26 AM
There is one thing that you all are failing to realize; It is the development of Sweetney. IMO it is much more important to develop him over trying to give Kurt time to showcase his talents.
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9/6/2004  11:49 AM
Posted by diderotn:

There is one thing that you all are failing to realize; It is the development of Sweetney. IMO it is much more important to develop him over trying to give Kurt time to showcase his talents.
You're failing to realize that if Kurt starts at center (where he's always had his best years), he won't take one minute away from Sweetney
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9/6/2004  1:23 PM
Because of his skills facing the basket, KT is a starting forward. Using the same criteria, Sweetney becomes a starting center--perhaps in the mold of Paul Silas. Nazr will back up both positions while Vinny is the 3rd-stringer @10 minutes per game. If you think about it, Vinny's playing time has already been pre-determined by his contract value (which is not much).

JYD has absolutely no shooting skills, so he's put into special situations, or more permanently as back-up to the 3 position to provide length to the front-court a la Anthony Bonner, who once led the league in rebounds per minute (in so few minutes).
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9/9/2004  3:16 PM
TT & KT for Ilgauskas...would you guys make that trade?

C - Ilgauskas / Nazr
PF - Sweetney / Baker
SF - Penny / JYD / Ariza or DerMarr
SG - Houston / Crawford
PG - Marbury / Bremer / Moochie
IR - Shandon / DerMarr or Ariza
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9/9/2004  3:23 PM
no way i would def not make that trade, maybe KT and Penny but not KT and TT
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9/9/2004  3:41 PM
why wouldn't you? Z has an expiring deal, he's a legit C, he blocks shots, can hit pick & roll shots just as good if not better than KT, he actually has a low post game, it would open up more minutes for Sweetney to develop his game, & it gets rid of KT & TT's contracts.

the negative is his foot injury history, but last year he was pretty durable...personally i would make that trade.

[Edited by - TMS on 09/09/2004 15:42:27]
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