Management has made it that much harder, by building on of the most lopsided Roster the knicks ever had. Not only do we have a roster full of players that play the same position, none are really better then the other.

If the players ahead of willy and noah were 5x better and we were winning, they would be humble cheerleaders. But there have been plenty of garbage mins that those guys couldn't get in.

LivingLegend wrote:We may have been smart to keep him on the bench and avoid chance of him showing he has limited upside because he is virtually grounded to the floor and can't move his feet.

Give me Kanter and his warts (including his 1 more year at $19M if that has to be the case) over Willy who just seems soft on both ends to me.

Really, he's requesting a trade, which the knick lose leverage in any trade talks when that happens

fwk00 wrote:

fishmike wrote:he should be getting minutes. He's stuck right now but that is all salvageable. You only get to be young once. I dont blame these guys for lacking patience. Its up to the FO to navigate this well.

If he were playing like he did last year, he would be playing. Kanter and KOQ are playing much better basketball.

Cashing Willie in is a smart thing to do. He's not a fit with Porzingis while Kanter very much is. Willie is a nice trade chip.

While that may be true, it is all true the KOQ is gone next year and Willy was "part of young core"

anyone that honestly thought we should sacrifice development to play a veteran that's not going to be here next year is delusional. The coaches and FO botched the **** out of this one

knicks1248 wrote:Thats the 2nd players in 2 weeks that wants nothing to do with this coaching staff. As i have said since last season, they do not know how to manage players, use players, or develop them.

Management has made it that much harder, by building on of the most lopsided Roster the knicks ever had. Not only do we have a roster full of players that play the same position, none are really better then the other.

If the players ahead of willy and noah were 5x better and we were winning, they would be humble cheerleaders. But there have been plenty of garbage mins that those guys couldn't get in.

2nd round willy makes the sophomore game and all rookie stuff last year.
Coach: Hornacek

How do how did coach "Undeveloped" him?
Noah: Can't beat out Kanter or KOQ. How is that coach fault?
We are not winning. Is that on Kanter? KOQ?
Why did management create the lopsided roster? Melo trade. Best trade possible.
Why won't they do something about it??? Maybe trade value is not creating a good trade.
Why does Knicks1248 repeat himself? Prefers to promote "see, told you we suck!!!" than "oh man, losing sucks".
Why does Nalod read this crap? I" dunno!"

SupremeCommander wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

fishmike wrote:he should be getting minutes. He's stuck right now but that is all salvageable. You only get to be young once. I dont blame these guys for lacking patience. Its up to the FO to navigate this well.

If he were playing like he did last year, he would be playing. Kanter and KOQ are playing much better basketball.

Cashing Willie in is a smart thing to do. He's not a fit with Porzingis while Kanter very much is. Willie is a nice trade chip.

While that may be true, it is all true the KOQ is gone next year and Willy was "part of young core"

anyone that honestly thought we should sacrifice development to play a veteran that's not going to be here next year is delusional. The coaches and FO botched the **** out of this one

Play KOQ, get value, promote Willy.

Obviously other scenarios can happen but is the above either far fetched or poor management? That seems like being smart to me. Willy is under contract for 2 more years. He's just talking cause thats all he can do.

The perfect scenario is we play the vets, establish some style of play and important of defense, pump their value a bit, move them for assets and promote the young guys who are hungry to play and have watched the coach stress defense for the last 50 games.

Last two games the offense has been terrible but the Knicks are defending again and thats what you want to see. Lose tons of close games. Players know with better effort and execution these are all winnable. Thats how growth happens.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:Why doesn't anyone call for Willy to play in the Gleague?

Don't want him cutting into Luke Kornet's minutes.

Hell no!!!!LOL!!
Funny, we had guys spewing "GLeague taught humbleness to Tim, it could work for frank!
Why did Frank need to be humbled?
Yet, It was willy that came to camp "full of himself" (via Hornacek)and needs the work?
Does Willy have a thing in his contract or a handshake agreement to not go down?
Personally I'd prefer to see all knicks succeed. Is Willy a "triangle only player"?

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

fishmike wrote:he should be getting minutes. He's stuck right now but that is all salvageable. You only get to be young once. I dont blame these guys for lacking patience. Its up to the FO to navigate this well.

If he were playing like he did last year, he would be playing. Kanter and KOQ are playing much better basketball.

Cashing Willie in is a smart thing to do. He's not a fit with Porzingis while Kanter very much is. Willie is a nice trade chip.

While that may be true, it is all true the KOQ is gone next year and Willy was "part of young core"

anyone that honestly thought we should sacrifice development to play a veteran that's not going to be here next year is delusional. The coaches and FO botched the **** out of this one

not yet they havent. If the Knicks get value for KOQ than the coaching staff played this perfectly.

Play KOQ, get value, promote Willy.

Obviously other scenarios can happen but is the above either far fetched or poor management? That seems like being smart to me. Willy is under contract for 2 more years. He's just talking cause thats all he can do.

The perfect scenario is we play the vets, establish some style of play and important of defense, pump their value a bit, move them for assets and promote the young guys who are hungry to play and have watched the coach stress defense for the last 50 games.

Last two games the offense has been terrible but the Knicks are defending again and thats what you want to see. Lose tons of close games. Players know with better effort and execution these are all winnable. Thats how growth happens.

Willy wants out, that's botching it

not salvaging the situation would be a colossal **** up. but it's on these clowns for creating this situation in the first place

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

fishmike wrote:he should be getting minutes. He's stuck right now but that is all salvageable. You only get to be young once. I dont blame these guys for lacking patience. Its up to the FO to navigate this well.

If he were playing like he did last year, he would be playing. Kanter and KOQ are playing much better basketball.

Cashing Willie in is a smart thing to do. He's not a fit with Porzingis while Kanter very much is. Willie is a nice trade chip.

While that may be true, it is all true the KOQ is gone next year and Willy was "part of young core"

anyone that honestly thought we should sacrifice development to play a veteran that's not going to be here next year is delusional. The coaches and FO botched the **** out of this one

not yet they havent. If the Knicks get value for KOQ than the coaching staff played this perfectly.

Play KOQ, get value, promote Willy.

Obviously other scenarios can happen but is the above either far fetched or poor management? That seems like being smart to me. Willy is under contract for 2 more years. He's just talking cause thats all he can do.

The perfect scenario is we play the vets, establish some style of play and important of defense, pump their value a bit, move them for assets and promote the young guys who are hungry to play and have watched the coach stress defense for the last 50 games.

Last two games the offense has been terrible but the Knicks are defending again and thats what you want to see. Lose tons of close games. Players know with better effort and execution these are all winnable. Thats how growth happens.

Willy wants out, that's botching it

not salvaging the situation would be a colossal **** up. but it's on these clowns for creating this situation in the first place

Willy is a kid in year 2 of his 4 year rookie deal. Babies throw fits. Good parents ride them out and focus that energy and not give up. He's not happy about not playing and especially while the team is not winning. There is nothing alarming happening here.

parents also develop their babies, unless you're the house of horror parents. then you shackle your baby to a bench.