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flex
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9/2/2004  2:44 PM
Without being a dumbas/s clown of course and with a better offensive game, but strictly on crashing the boards and rebounding skills. I think Sweetney is gonna be a rebounding monster, especially on the offensive end, and I defintely know why Isiah loves him so much.
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9/2/2004  2:48 PM
He will not be Rodman. But he can be a poor man's Elton Brand.
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9/2/2004  3:03 PM
no question rodman was a dumbass, but NObody can defend the way he did. sorry, but not even artest. was rodman like coked up or something, cause that guy was nothing but energy. he'd ride bike during timeouts and when he was supposed to be resting. AND he was asthmatic.
anyway, if sweets can pull down boards like dennis did and avg maybe 10-14pts, he's a keeper.
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9/2/2004  3:26 PM
Posted by flex:

Without being a dumbas/s clown of course and with a better offensive game, but strictly on crashing the boards and rebounding skills. I think Sweetney is gonna be a rebounding monster, especially on the offensive end, and I defintely know why Isiah loves him so much.

Relax, guy. Live 05 comes out in like a month.
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9/2/2004  4:39 PM
Posted by toodarkmark:

He will not be Rodman.
Can anyone be a Rodman on defense and rebounding?
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9/2/2004  4:47 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by toodarkmark:

He will not be Rodman.
Can anyone be a Rodman on defense and rebounding?
ben wallace? thats as close as i think is out there now
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9/2/2004  5:30 PM
Yeah, combination Ben Wallace rebounding, Ron Artest D'ing up and losing his mind.
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9/2/2004  11:31 PM
If Sweet evolves into an all-star, his game would reflect more of a selfless Charles Barkley.
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9/2/2004  11:32 PM
Or a quiet Charles Barkley. Is that a paradox?
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9/2/2004  11:50 PM
I love Sweetney like the next guy. But Rodman was a quick jumping rebounding machine. He followed the flight of the ball better than anyone. Sweetney seems to rebound by getting position, and jumping fairly quick. But Rodman never even boxed out. He just beat the other guys to the ball. I like the comparison of Sweetney and Elton Brand. I could live with that.
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9/3/2004  12:01 AM
diffrent types of players. number 1 rodman is a hall of famer and i hate comparing guys who havent proved anything to guys who have 5 rings -all time stats etc...


lets put it this way, lets HOPE that mike sweetney is something along the lines of a zach randolph. i dont think he'll be as good[but you never know?] but thats my personal hope for mike 35+minutes 18 points 8 rebounds close to 50%shooting. that will make the knicks a sure fire playoff contender. if not--im a bit worried about the rag tag we have there. If Sweetney stays a consistent force on the block, the knicks will be improved. If not then its anyone's guess.
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9/3/2004  12:23 AM
I love that people are saying they want Sweetney to score 18-20 ppg. Why? The Knicks don't need to scoring and if Sweets is getting shots over Tim, Jamal, Allan, Marbs, Kurt and Nazr - there may be a problem.

I think it will be almost impossible for Sweetney to average 10ppg with the amount of skilled offensive players we have here. I want Sweets to prove he can defend other fours and keep rebounding. He's valuable to us because he's one of the few players we have who doesn't need to score to be an effective and valuable player.

I would be thrilled if Sweetney could us 6ppg, 10rpg and 1.5 blocks in about 25 minutes a night this year. I think that would be HUGE to get that kind of rebounding off the bench and more importantly, to develop someone who hustles and plays D. I don't think Sweets will start if Kurt is still here. I think Kurt and Nazr have the starting spots locked up. If Sweets does start somehow he would obviously get more shots and score more. But the important thing for Sweetney is to REBOUND.
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9/3/2004  12:27 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I love that people are saying they want Sweetney to score 18-20 ppg. Why? The Knicks don't need to scoring and if Sweets is getting shots over Tim, Jamal, Allan, Marbs, Kurt and Nazr - there may be a problem.

I think it will be almost impossible for Sweetney to average 10ppg with the amount of skilled offensive players we have here. I want Sweets to prove he can defend other fours and keep rebounding. He's valuable to us because he's one of the few players we have who doesn't need to score to be an effective and valuable player.

I would be thrilled if Sweetney could us 6ppg, 10rpg and 1.5 blocks in about 25 minutes a night this year. I think that would be HUGE to get that kind of rebounding off the bench and more importantly, to develop someone who hustles and plays D. I don't think Sweets will start if Kurt is still here. I think Kurt and Nazr have the starting spots locked up. If Sweets does start somehow he would obviously get more shots and score more. But the important thing for Sweetney is to REBOUND.
Sweetney scores without having plays called for him simply because he gets a ton of offensive rebounds. He averaged something like 7 PPG in 15 MPG in the 2nd half of the year. And he's in much better shape now. So, I think your ceiling of 10 PPG for him is way too low
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9/3/2004  12:32 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by crzymdups:

I love that people are saying they want Sweetney to score 18-20 ppg. Why? The Knicks don't need to scoring and if Sweets is getting shots over Tim, Jamal, Allan, Marbs, Kurt and Nazr - there may be a problem.

I think it will be almost impossible for Sweetney to average 10ppg with the amount of skilled offensive players we have here. I want Sweets to prove he can defend other fours and keep rebounding. He's valuable to us because he's one of the few players we have who doesn't need to score to be an effective and valuable player.

I would be thrilled if Sweetney could us 6ppg, 10rpg and 1.5 blocks in about 25 minutes a night this year. I think that would be HUGE to get that kind of rebounding off the bench and more importantly, to develop someone who hustles and plays D. I don't think Sweets will start if Kurt is still here. I think Kurt and Nazr have the starting spots locked up. If Sweets does start somehow he would obviously get more shots and score more. But the important thing for Sweetney is to REBOUND.
Sweetney scores without having plays called for him simply because he gets a ton of offensive rebounds. He averaged something like 7 PPG in 15 MPG in the 2nd half of the year. And he's in much better shape now. So, I think your ceiling of 10 PPG for him is way too low

If you're saying Sweets will get Nine offensive putbacks a game, I think that's a little high. I think we all know Sweetney COULD score, I just don't think that's where he'll help us most. Obviously, it will be nice if he gets a ton of putbacks, but I think it will be good to have a high energy hustle guy more so than another scoring option.
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9/3/2004  2:12 AM
It's tough to gauge what Sweetney will do statistically. What are his ball-handling skills like?

What it sounds like is that minimally, we want him to give us what Mason gave us in his first couple of seasons with us. Toughness... and rebounding. Given his excellent post-up skills in college, perhaps we should be looking to exploit those skills rather than turning him into just a garbage scorer.
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9/3/2004  9:33 AM
a double double average would be awesome if he could give us that...i tend to agree w/crzymdups when he says it will be hard for Mike to get alot of scoring opportunities w/all the scorers on this team already...but if he can do the dirty work, grab boards, block shots, defend down low, & get offensive putbacks, that's all i can ask for.
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9/3/2004  11:16 AM
Sweetney is the only guy that could potentially play the low post for us. We have scorers, but they are all perimeter scorers - marbury, crawford, houston, TT, KT, and Nazr isn't much of a threat inside or outside. none of them can post up and that was sweetneys strength - he'd score on double and triple teams when he was in georgetown, and he was a really good passer from the low post. A team can't win unless they have a mix of inside and outside threats - someone to kick the ball out or take it inside if he isn't getting double teamed. unless tim thomas develops a post up game ( idon't think he's strong enough), we should work on making sweetney into our low post threat - not this year, but gradually in about 2 years. if we have too many scorers maybe we should get rid of tim thomas - he seems kind of redundant with marbury and crawford. i don't think ariza can be a starter, but I wouldn't mind trading TT for a defensive center (dalembert?) and a first round pick, if sweetney is as good as everyone says hes been getting. you don't win a championship with 4 perimeter players. the pistons had sheed and even ben wallace down low, the lakers had shaq, the spurs had duncan, the rockets had hakeem.
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9/3/2004  11:27 AM
Posted by nyballer:

Sweetney is the only guy that could potentially play the low post for us. We have scorers, but they are all perimeter scorers - marbury, crawford, houston, TT, KT, and Nazr isn't much of a threat inside or outside. none of them can post up
You must have forgotten that we signed Vin Baker this summer
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9/3/2004  11:36 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You must have forgotten that we signed Vin Baker this summer

Not that I forgot we signed him, just that I am skeptical he will have an impact. He didn't show me that much ot be impressed about last year, and sweetney is younger, more motivated, and has greater room for improvement.
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9/3/2004  12:20 PM
Considering that Baker was playing with an irregular heart beat, I think his performance was extremely impressive.
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