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StarksEwing1
Posts: 32671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/28/2012 Member: #4451 |
1/6/2018 11:51 AM
Agreed. The bigger issue is not having timmy as that 2nd option and other Guys have cooled down. Obviously KP has gone through a tough stretch after missing those couple of games
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Nalod
Posts: 71190 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
1/6/2018 11:54 AM
What evidence do you have that he will get better? WE talking the knicks right?
Lock her up! Bengazi. Fugazi. He's french, the bastard of Fred Weis! French are soft. All of them! He is a triangle player! Gaines is cool, but since Frank has the taint of Phil he is a loser! Evidence!!!! You have none. Nothing but enthusiasm and hope! Your a loser! Teams like Knicks never get better unless we get a bonafide super star on the team! Can't argue a solid concept like that!! |
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
1/6/2018 12:01 PM
Frank, has to shoot more make or miss he has to do it. This is a rebuilding year and he has to learn. All facets of the game. He shies away from good looks. He has to learn attack mode for the teams betterment and his.
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39917 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
1/6/2018 12:10 PM
Vmart wrote:Frank, has to shoot more make or miss he has to do it. This is a rebuilding year and he has to learn. All facets of the game. He shies away from good looks. He has to learn attack mode for the teams betterment and his. Ok, but he has shown improvement in these areas every month. It's coming along. I don't think he needs to be more aggressive in hunting down shots, but he needs to do a better job of recognizing the shots he has. But he's doing a better job of pushing and getting into the paint. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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fitzfarm
Posts: 25165 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2010 Member: #3285 |
1/6/2018 12:12 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Agreed. The bigger issue is not having timmy as that 2nd option and other Guys have cooled down. Obviously KP has gone through a tough stretch after missing those couple of games 100% agree |
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
1/6/2018 12:25 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Vmart wrote:Frank, has to shoot more make or miss he has to do it. This is a rebuilding year and he has to learn. All facets of the game. He shies away from good looks. He has to learn attack mode for the teams betterment and his. He is doing better I’m not saying he isn’t. He needs to strike the balance of aggressive play and smarts in the offensive end. Also he needs to start to see the ball leave the hands for shots more. The reason for it is the more you see the ball leave for shots the better the shot gets. Game shots don’t improve in paractice. I see this as an opportunity to get his shot better same with attacking the basket it will get better only if he attempts these shots. We know he is knowledgeable and a willing learner. He is already a willing passer. The only facet for Ntlikina to learn is getting better with the shot and attacking the rim. These are valuable game reps that can’t be duplicated in practice. |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/6/2018 1:01 PM
It goes without saying that a ROOKIE needs to improve. Especially a 19 year old who won’t hit 20 until next October. My point is that he’s getting negatively painted due to the lack of production from others.
Frank plays very conservatively but mostly does the right thing based on the flow of the offense. Sure he could do better at recognizing when to go or take the shot but it’s been highly exaggerated that his hesitation is hurting the team. Thing is that on the Season which includes his early struggles Frank is STILL having a net Positive impact. eFG% +.012 This is while playing fewer minutes with KP! I’d expect even better numbers if he was starting. |
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30134 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
1/6/2018 1:09 PM
He was very aggressive early on this past game vs the Heat. Missed the 3 and a layup then got conservative. Look forward to seeing the Dennis Smith matchup.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
1/6/2018 1:10 PM
nixluva wrote:It goes without saying that a ROOKIE needs to improve. Especially a 19 year old who won’t hit 20 until next October. My point is that he’s getting negatively painted due to the lack of production from others. That second unit is total trash. Out side of Beasley they have no one that can score. |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/6/2018 1:21 PM
Vmart wrote:nixluva wrote:It goes without saying that a ROOKIE needs to improve. Especially a 19 year old who won’t hit 20 until next October. My point is that he’s getting negatively painted due to the lack of production from others. Yeah it’s tough to look good with the bench unit. Still Frank does a solid job. KP and Nitty are excellent together but don’t play enough together IMO! The numbers are stunning, albeit in a small sample size. When Porzingis and Ntilikina have been on the floor together the Knicks are outscoring opponents by more than 40 points per 100 possessions. Despite only playing 85 minutes together, they have a better plus/minus than any other pair of players on the roster. Why? It’s simple. They play defense.http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/11/17/new-york-knicks-frank-ntilikina-kristaps-porzingis-nba/ |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
1/6/2018 4:01 PM
nixluva wrote:Frank had played 230 minutes of nba ball at that time. How much of that was with KP? That is a great example of small sample size. I would love to see more current numbers as that was almost a month and a half ago. I would think that trend would continue just not ready to accept it from that small a sample size.Vmart wrote:nixluva wrote:It goes without saying that a ROOKIE needs to improve. Especially a 19 year old who won’t hit 20 until next October. My point is that he’s getting negatively painted due to the lack of production from others. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42831 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
1/6/2018 4:29 PM
As I have said repeatedly, the offseason will be the real test. Frank needs to come back more conditioned, with a better handle, more willing to take over a game when necessary. Thats what you need from a starting PG in this league.
I really hope Frank considers Rucker or the Drew league over international play this summer. Frank needs a chip on his shoulder when it comes to offense. He's shown he can be a very good distributor. Frank's ceiling will be lower if he doesn't come back with a legit dribble drive. I believe he can do it. |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/6/2018 4:41 PM LAST EDITED: 1/6/2018 4:44 PM
CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Frank had played 230 minutes of nba ball at that time. How much of that was with KP? That is a great example of small sample size. I would love to see more current numbers as that was almost a month and a half ago. I would think that trend would continue just not ready to accept it from that small a sample size.Vmart wrote:nixluva wrote:It goes without saying that a ROOKIE needs to improve. Especially a 19 year old who won’t hit 20 until next October. My point is that he’s getting negatively painted due to the lack of production from others. Frank and KP STILL have good numbers together. The problem is the minutes are lower than they should be given the effectiveness. KP/Nitty vs KP/Jack: Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
1/6/2018 5:37 PM
nixluva wrote:Thanks.CrushAlot wrote:nixluva wrote:Frank had played 230 minutes of nba ball at that time. How much of that was with KP? That is a great example of small sample size. I would love to see more current numbers as that was almost a month and a half ago. I would think that trend would continue just not ready to accept it from that small a sample size.Vmart wrote:nixluva wrote:It goes without saying that a ROOKIE needs to improve. Especially a 19 year old who won’t hit 20 until next October. My point is that he’s getting negatively painted due to the lack of production from others. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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Zebo13
Posts: 20376 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/31/2017 Member: #6434 USA |
1/6/2018 5:45 PM LAST EDITED: 1/6/2018 5:48 PM
nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team. He’s honestly so far ahead of the game at PG and 19 it’s ridiculous. Throw in that he’s playing with backups and a team somewhat finding its identity. I would place a long term bet he winds up on several all Nba defense teams before it’s all done. His offense will be more than fine, his stroke is butta and seeing Wall and Kyrie both just frustrated and faultering when he’s on them is a thing of beauty. I couldn’t be happier. |
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27989 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
1/6/2018 6:15 PM LAST EDITED: 1/6/2018 6:18 PM
nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team. Have heard this all before. Worried when someone pulls out obscure stats to hide when someone is just not very impressive. Lets wait and hope. But so far the kid is just a good role defensive player. Not our answer at PG. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/6/2018 6:34 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team. GTFOH! Sure we had high hopes for Grant but you can’t honestly put their chances or expectations on the same level. Nitty has already shown he has a positive impact on the game at 19!!! Grant is a good kid but he was 23 as a rookie! I mean come on. They clearly hoped Grant could be a solid PG kind of similar in style to Frank. Frank is a higher level prospect tho. The stats for Frank aren’t obscure! There’s more to the game than just scoring stats. Especially for a PG who has to help make the team better. So the stats show Nitty helps the team play better despite his lack of scoring. Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: |
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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
1/6/2018 10:08 PM LAST EDITED: 1/6/2018 10:09 PM
nixluva wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team. Yeah I agree with nixluva even in the highlight you posted of Grant its clear they are different players. Grant was shooting sloppy shots, and passing almost hail Mary type pass in the paint cause he got trapped by the defense. Whereas Frank is running the offense, defending on a high level, shooting the 3, and just way more in control and he is 4 years younger. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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Bizzy211
Posts: 20562 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 2/22/2004 Member: #601 USA |
1/7/2018 3:54 AM
nixluva wrote:There’s this notion amongst many Knicks Fans that Frank is causing the offense to sputter because he’s not driving and scoring off the dribble more. While his efficiency needs to improve a lot that is only one aspect of how he runs the team.
The Knicks ranking 30th in 3 point attempts is a testament to that. Frank is being looked at negatively because of what we are seeing on the court. This doesnt mean we want him gone, but once again his play must improve. Being drafted 8th does come with certain responsibilities/expectations... neither are bad things. To conclude: Is Frank a starting PG right now? If the answer is no, why not? He's 19 isnt an answer... we have to compare and contrast skillsets/talent. Bizzy
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