Why haven't anyone we have hired been able to bring in more than one star at a time, they never bring in another above avg player to compliment him. Then we beat that one star to death for not Carrying the entire team on his back. Think about it, it goes all the way back to EWING

I see the same thing Coming with KP. OKC may not be a championship team, but they just lost KD for nothing, and did not have to go through a bunch of lottery seasons to get better.

In 1996 or 1997 when the knicks traded "fan fav" Mason for LJ, acquired childs and allan houston the same yr, then traded for sprewell and Camby a little after. Those are power moves, we got younger,smarter, faster, more talented players to replace Oak, starks, harper and mason, and never missed the playoffs in the process(like okc)

Now of days we trade and sign bench players and acquired 2nd round picks(and say were building through the draft).

I was just watching "open court" on NBA TV with some of the top GM's in the NBA. When i listen to those guys How they think, the moves they make, and have made to stay on top...wow...Those guys have tons of Experience and Knowledge, MILLs couldn't even be in the same building with those guys, let alone the same room.

If you get a chance, watch that forum, and you'll see what I'm talking about(especially about the draft).

knicks1248 wrote:Simple trades, they will be elite, and if it doesn't wrk, they will have all the cap space in the world.

Why haven't anyone we have hired been able to bring in more than one star at a time, they never bring in another above avg player to compliment him. Then we beat that one star to death for not Carrying the entire team on his back. Think about it, it goes all the way back to EWING

I see the same thing Coming with KP. OKC may not be a championship team, but they just lost KD for nothing, and did not have to go through a bunch of lottery seasons to get better.

In 1996 or 1997 when the knicks traded "fan fav" Mason for LJ, acquired childs and allan houston the same yr, then traded for sprewell and Camby a little after. Those are power moves, we got younger,smarter, faster, more talented players to replace Oak, starks, harper and mason, and never missed the playoffs in the process(like okc)

Now of days we trade and sign bench players and acquired 2nd round picks(and say were building through the draft).

I was just watching "open court" on NBA TV with some of the top GM's in the NBA. When i listen to those guys How they think, the moves they make, and have made to stay on top...wow...Those guys have tons of Experience and Knowledge, MILLs couldn't even be in the same building with those guys, let alone the same room.

If you get a chance, watch that forum, and you'll see what I'm talking about(especially about the draft).

It's actually very rare what has been happening recently with the formation of these Superteams full of All Stars. It's just a few teams taking advantage of either a Star Free Agent or teams looking to rebuild and sell off their Star Player. It's really not the thing to be focused on at this point.

The Knicks are doing the right thing by drafting Top Talent and then Developing that talent and taking it from there. Until they can build this team's young talent up there's no other way to make this a Top Free Agent Destination. This starts with developing KP into a Franchise player and growing the other young players into a contender level Core.

You're looking at the Knicks in the Framing Stage of building. The Foundation was laid and the Walls are going up but it's going to take time to finish the build. IMO you're focused on the wrong things. You should be enjoying the fact that this team has some young talent in place. There will be more moves made but you have to be at least a little patient.

Quickly:

Have to draft well. Prerequisite is you don't trade your picks.
Also, don't overpay for star players. WE did with Melo. Lets not go over all of that but we were left with little depth after, and we had not much in picks.
Trade a first rounder for Bargain? Not smart.
Sam Presti had Harden, Durant and Westbrook. made one finals.
In one year they might lose westbrook and Paul George for nothing.
Lets see how it all turns out.
Bottom line is OKC build thru the draft.

CrushAlot wrote:Sam Presti.

Eh, you could argue he's the same guy who screwed up a roster that had three of the league's top three players on it at the same time. This is a nice rebound, but I'm sure most OKC fans would rather have Harden and Durant.

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

They weren't about to lose Harden. They chose to pay Okafor over Harden and panicked over the luxury tax. Presti screwed that up big-time. I'll go a step further and say that Durant probably stays if they keep Harden.

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

The knicks have had solid draft picks over the years, and have let them go in bad trades, developing them in a losing environments, or let them walk.

The players we have now are just excited to be playing IN NY, the worst city on earth to try and develop. You have seen all the bull shh incidents that have happen in clubs and the night life just over the last couple seasons, our own player gets shot coming out of a club. Try focusing as a 20 something yr old with millions in your pocket, living in NY, playing in front of celebrities every night

You listen to walt about how reed was a true leader and kept guys in check including walt himself

The point is, that's the type of leadership you develop young players with.

The young guys we have now, should be playing behind guys like wade, labron, Paul geogre, cp3, harden, ect, they should have a very experince coach with a winning track record, they should have leaders that are still impacting the game.

Mills is not here to build a championship team, he took this job because of the prestige, and he lowered his bar to the floor so that there would be zero expectations.

IF mills really cared about the knicks and wanted to stop the bleeding, he would have urged DOLAN to bring in somebody with a proven track record.

Mills got a grade D or lower for ever move he made this summer.. I'm hoping most people (including myself) are wrong, but i seriously doubt it

I actually think Mills did well in adding Perry. This team is still going to need smart decisions to be made going forward. I think this Front Office has a lot of opportunity to build on what they have already. There's no rush.

This is about player development and assessment of what they're going to need to get better. This is a GREAT position for this franchise. They've got young talent and picks going forward. There's literally no reason for pessimistism at this point.

knicks1248 wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:They couldn't do what they did if they didn't DRAFT Harden, Durant, and Westbrook. Everything fell from that. And these star players they have are rentals anyway, there's no long term for this nucleus. And once the nucleus added Melo, it's ultimately flawed. Melo is not even a 3rd option on a championship team, he's a sparkplug off the bench!!!!

They were about to lose Harden the same way they lost KD(for nothing)but struck a deal with houston.

knicks1248 wrote:Simple trades, they will be elite, and if it doesn't wrk, they will have all the cap space in the world.

Why haven't anyone we have hired been able to bring in more than one star at a time, they never bring in another above avg player to compliment him. Then we beat that one star to death for not Carrying the entire team on his back. Think about it, it goes all the way back to EWING

I see the same thing Coming with KP. OKC may not be a championship team, but they just lost KD for nothing, and did not have to go through a bunch of lottery seasons to get better.

In 1996 or 1997 when the knicks traded "fan fav" Mason for LJ, acquired childs and allan houston the same yr, then traded for sprewell and Camby a little after. Those are power moves, we got younger,smarter, faster, more talented players to replace Oak, starks, harper and mason, and never missed the playoffs in the process(like okc)

Now of days we trade and sign bench players and acquired 2nd round picks(and say were building through the draft).

I was just watching "open court" on NBA TV with some of the top GM's in the NBA. When i listen to those guys How they think, the moves they make, and have made to stay on top...wow...Those guys have tons of Experience and Knowledge, MILLs couldn't even be in the same building with those guys, let alone the same room.

If you get a chance, watch that forum, and you'll see what I'm talking about(especially about the draft).

We would of had to give up 3 first round picks for George. For some reason teams really put the screws to us, probably because they know Dolan will force a trade if he wants someone

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:really, you don't understand all of that?

Quickly:

Have to draft well. Prerequisite is you don't trade your picks.
Also, don't overpay for star players. WE did with Melo. Lets not go over all of that but we were left with little depth after, and we had not much in picks.
Trade a first rounder for Bargain? Not smart.
Sam Presti had Harden, Durant and Westbrook. made one finals.
In one year they might lose westbrook and Paul George for nothing.
Lets see how it all turns out.
Bottom line is OKC build thru the draft.

As good as Presti has done he didnt win anything with a ridiculous amount of talent