nixluva wrote:This stuff is better than the cryptic and questionable Rosen/Phil stuff. I think they want to make it clear that they do in fact have a plan and a philosophy and we should be able to see these things play out in the moves they make.

It seems like there's going to be much more substance and an effort to get rid of any divisions as we move along. That can only help.

they failed to mention any of the veterans..whats up with that? They don't matter..

That certainly doesn't unify a locker room.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:This stuff is better than the cryptic and questionable Rosen/Phil stuff. I think they want to make it clear that they do in fact have a plan and a philosophy and we should be able to see these things play out in the moves they make.

It seems like there's going to be much more substance and an effort to get rid of any divisions as we move along. That can only help.

they failed to mention any of the veterans..whats up with that? They don't matter..

That certainly doesn't unify a locker room.

You're right that it wouldn't hurt to mention the vets, but it's a weird situation with Melo on deck to be traded, and Noah coming off his PED situation.

Listening to Noah, Jack, its clear that these guys understand that their role is in part is to help mentor the younger players. I believe the vets understand that Perry is trying to sell a bright future for the team. They know the Knicks have historically had a hard time looking past next week.

Perry is trying to sell the fans that things have changed. The first real test IMO is how they handle Melo. How does he leave? How does that affect the Knicks beyond next season? The season after that?

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

There are no shortcuts. Reshaping the Knicks as a championship contender will be a step-by-step process, and along the way, the plan will demand patience,

For anyone who needs translation, this means Perry doesn't think the Knicks will win this year either.

That doesn't mean that at all, there are only 2 or 3 contenders in any giving season, does that mean 27 other teams shouldn't focus on winning, and should be fighting for a high lottery spot.

There is focusing and fighting, and looking at your roster and believing if you're good enough. Those are no way same things.

Nobody pick the yanks to even be good this season, let alone a playoff berth

That be a good point if not for the fact it's not accurate.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

There are no shortcuts. Reshaping the Knicks as a championship contender will be a step-by-step process, and along the way, the plan will demand patience,

For anyone who needs translation, this means Perry doesn't think the Knicks will win this year either.

That doesn't mean that at all, there are only 2 or 3 contenders in any giving season, does that mean 27 other teams shouldn't focus on winning, and should be fighting for a high lottery spot.

Nobody pick the yanks to even be good this season, let alone a playoff berth

Your desire to root for winning team is admirable and understandable.
It is much more cool to sit in the Garden or in front of TV and follow the team who wins more that loses and can be in every game.
Especially after 20 years of opposite experience.
How much one can take?
Most of the people like to snatch the rape fruit and just few like to see it grow and then enjoy the sweetest taste it can be.
Join us in watching the fruit grow. You will enjoy it.

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:This stuff is better than the cryptic and questionable Rosen/Phil stuff. I think they want to make it clear that they do in fact have a plan and a philosophy and we should be able to see these things play out in the moves they make.

It seems like there's going to be much more substance and an effort to get rid of any divisions as we move along. That can only help.

they failed to mention any of the veterans..whats up with that? They don't matter..

That certainly doesn't unify a locker room.

You're right that it wouldn't hurt to mention the vets, but it's a weird situation with Melo on deck to be traded, and Noah coming off his PED situation.

Listening to Noah, Jack, its clear that these guys understand that their role is in part is to help mentor the younger players. I believe the vets understand that Perry is trying to sell a bright future for the team. They know the Knicks have historically had a hard time looking past next week.

Perry is trying to sell the fans that things have changed. The first real test IMO is how they handle Melo. How does he leave? How does that affect the Knicks beyond next season? The season after that?

He is trying to sell that it will take a long time before we win anything. It's called JOB SECURITY. Same **** every GM does when taking over a new gig. Buy more years on the job before the fans start to boil. Thing is, he does not know NYC expectations.

Can't say I trust Mills or Perry yet. Like what he is preaching but have heard all this many many times before. People dont get that its all just a business. GM, Prez, all have their eye's on one thing...promotions and getting paid. As Phil showed, it can be very lucrative. I know for a fact Mills just cares about prolonging his pay check. Hope Perry is different.

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:This stuff is better than the cryptic and questionable Rosen/Phil stuff. I think they want to make it clear that they do in fact have a plan and a philosophy and we should be able to see these things play out in the moves they make.

It seems like there's going to be much more substance and an effort to get rid of any divisions as we move along. That can only help.

they failed to mention any of the veterans..whats up with that? They don't matter..

That certainly doesn't unify a locker room.

You're right that it wouldn't hurt to mention the vets, but it's a weird situation with Melo on deck to be traded, and Noah coming off his PED situation.

Listening to Noah, Jack, its clear that these guys understand that their role is in part is to help mentor the younger players. I believe the vets understand that Perry is trying to sell a bright future for the team. They know the Knicks have historically had a hard time looking past next week.

Perry is trying to sell the fans that things have changed. The first real test IMO is how they handle Melo. How does he leave? How does that affect the Knicks beyond next season? The season after that?

He is trying to sell that it will take a long time before we win anything. It's called JOB SECURITY. Same **** every GM does when taking over a new gig. Buy more years on the job before the fans start to boil. Thing is, he does not know NYC expectations.

Can't say I trust Mills or Perry yet. Like what he is preaching but have heard all this many many times before. People dont get that its all just a business. GM, Prez, all have their eye's on one thing...promotions and getting paid. As Phil showed, it can be very lucrative. I know for a fact Mills just cares about prolonging his pay check. Hope Perry is different.

I don't think the moves Mills has made indicate that he's just trying to preserve his job. Of course everyone wants to keep their job but his moves haven't been to just clear the decks and guarantee a Lotto spot.

THJ, Beasley, Sessions and Jack doesn't suggest an effort to lock in a Lotto spot. Seems like he's trying to win games. Otherwise he could've just went with nothing but kids.

Likewise Perry has shown patience on the Melo Trade front. You only do that if you're resolved not to take a bad deal just to get rid of Melo.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/basketball/scott-perry-knicks-gm.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Perry said he sees similarities between that team and the Knicks team he is inheriting.

“People forget, our very first season in Detroit, we were 32-50,” Perry said, again adjusting his pen, water and keyboard on his desk. “We knew we had rebuilding to do. We had lost Grant Hill in free agency. So, I’m not afraid of building projects or whatever. It takes a lot of hard work. It takes — first and foremost — establishing a culture of accountability.”

knicks1248 wrote:BINGO

Anyone who takes over and preaches rebuid, patience, step 1, starting from scratch, knowing that the roster has already been purged twice in the last 36 months, is only giving extending the rope around his neck. just giving himself multiple opportunities to failed

There doesn't always have to be some cynical or sinister aim behind Mills statements about the team. We already know the team is rebuilding and in truth when you have 19, 22 and 23 yr old kids at the core of your team how is it not accurate to preach patience. I mean come on man. All the young players are still yet to get to their prime years and you think it's some kind of BS to talk about a Rebuild and Patience? How the hell should we be talking about this team?

Hornacek claimed he never actually thought Anthony would be dealt and has planned for him to be an integral player.

“Carmelo, all summer long when we were going through this stuff, we had him in mind moving forward,’’ Hornacek said. “I think the role is not going to change. We’re going to implement certain plays and defensive schemes he’s going to be asked to do. But if you don’t think I’m going to start him, you’re crazy. He’s a great player and still is and he’s going to lend a lot to our team.’’

EXACTLY what I said all summer long, melo never wanted to be traded, or else he would of put more than one team on his list.

so where are all the people who said I had no idea what I was talking about