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9/14/2017  8:29 AM
For arguing with a fan on tweeter and calling trump a white supremacist, bigot, racist, who surrounds himself with those types, and is consider to be the most ignorant president (as far as politics) the country ever had.

I think 75% of the world already thinks that, and firing her would probably make matters worse.

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9/14/2017  8:45 AM
knicks1248 wrote:For arguing with a fan on tweeter and calling trump a white supremacist, bigot, racist, who surrounds himself with those types, and is consider to be the most ignorant president (as far as politics) the country ever had.

I think 75% of the world already thinks that, and firing her would probably make matters worse.

I think she should be fired for being a bad reporter. With all of the ESPN terminations, i am not sure how she and her partner keep moving up the ladder at the network.

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9/14/2017  8:48 AM
She needs to deflect the political dialog when presented on a sports show.
She is entitled to her opinion, just not the right platform.
If sponsors back out then its an economic justification to fire her.
Same for all sports related shows. It's a business.
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9/14/2017  9:26 AM
If ESPN feels it negatively affects their brand they should fire her. Totally their call. And if anyone thinks firing her is unfair, turn the channel. Totally our call.
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9/14/2017  9:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/14/2017  9:42 AM
Last I checked and politics aside if this group can manage that, the Office of the Presidency requires respect by definition. ESPN is making a statement by not firing her. He was elected last I checked and from those in urban environs like NY Chicago and many more, he was elected accross the country not the cities or the progressive media that denounces him daily. Fire her.

The same folks who believe Trump is a racist demagogue will again be shocked when the country reelects him.

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9/14/2017  9:33 AM
Since going against Trump is normal and everybody in the media hates him she will be fine. Bashing the president seems to be rewarded these days
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9/14/2017  9:33 AM
Some others have been fired by ESPN for voicing their political views. Most, if not all, of those came from the other side. Will ESPN remain consistent?

The fact is, ESPN is a SPORTS NETWORK. Their ratings are bleeding just like the NFL's because they have injected themselves as SJW's. It is silly. Too much is politicized which only causes more of it.

We need to look at ways to bring people together and stop this constant barrage of pulling them apart and at odds with each other. It started in the 90's and it has only gotten worse with the advancement of technology and the likes of Facebook, twitter and others.

The thing to remember is opinions are like ***h0le$, everyone has one.

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9/14/2017  10:39 AM
ESPN rise has been unprecedented but given the nature of cable its bound to decline.
There are many that don't watch it and are forced to pay the $7 per month it costs to keep it in the bundle.
THe day will come when we will be pay just for what we use. I don't need the "Country Music channel" , "BET", "Lifetime" or the "History Channel" that seemingly plays hours of "Hitler" and "Nazi" shows each day!!! I like history stuff, and yeah its nice to watch the Nazi's lose every time, but enough already!!

Its all ratings driven. I have watched "His and Hers" and I like the take. I don't watch nearly as much ESPN sports center as I used to. I don't watch as much sports either.
Bottom line is ratings. They won't fire her for her take. Who is her audience anyway? Old crusty white guys? Ignorant trailer trash women? I doubt it, it a younger more urban audience? If so, her statement might actually boast ratings. Lets be real, Fox news fires it sexual predictors because of sponsor backlash and not the moral plane.
Funny, if and when a comment was directed at Obama it was usually racist. Food for thought. That the white house is calling for her to be fired is sad.

Folks, gotta protect the first amendment here. This administration wants to tear down the media. Alex Jones needs to stay off the mainstream and remain the bat shyt crazy guy!!!

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9/14/2017  10:43 AM
For the most part when I hear these words--I can only think of the KKK--Neo Nazis and or other radically racist groups.

If she believes that Donald Trump and nearly his entire staff are white supremacists--shes out of her mind.

Should she be fired--no. The US is a free country and she should have the right to speak what she feels while maintaining a discipline within her work boundaries

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9/14/2017  10:54 AM
Nalod wrote:ESPN rise has been unprecedented but given the nature of cable its bound to decline.
There are many that don't watch it and are forced to pay the $7 per month it costs to keep it in the bundle.
THe day will come when we will be pay just for what we use. I don't need the "Country Music channel" , "BET", "Lifetime" or the "History Channel" that seemingly plays hours of "Hitler" and "Nazi" shows each day!!! I like history stuff, and yeah its nice to watch the Nazi's lose every time, but enough already!!

Its all ratings driven. I have watched "His and Hers" and I like the take. I don't watch nearly as much ESPN sports center as I used to. I don't watch as much sports either.
Bottom line is ratings. They won't fire her for her take. Who is her audience anyway? Old crusty white guys? Ignorant trailer trash women? I doubt it, it a younger more urban audience? If so, her statement might actually boast ratings. Lets be real, Fox news fires it sexual predictors because of sponsor backlash and not the moral plane.
Funny, if and when a comment was directed at Obama it was usually racist. Food for thought. That the white house is calling for her to be fired is sad.

Folks, gotta protect the first amendment here. This administration wants to tear down the media. Alex Jones needs to stay off the mainstream and remain the bat shyt crazy guy!!!

I totally agree with you here...I'm wondering if it was a white conservative person who felt that way and broadcasted his feelings via tweeter, would the white house be calling for his head, or if the press secretary was black would she be still calling for hills head.

The funny thing is, yesterday day a couple of Boston RED SOX fans had a banner that read RACISISM IS AS AMERICAN AS BASEBALL, and were immediately escorted out of the ball park rightfully so (even though they were dead on). The fact of the matter is, there are racist people that don't even realize they are racist.

That's the sad part..

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9/14/2017  10:55 AM
Linda Cohn was suspended for saying the station is too political....Ha! so much for free speech.

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/espn-suspended-linda-cohn-let-jemele-hill-slide/

Should she be fired--no. The US is a free country and she should have the right to speak what she feels while maintaining a discipline within her work boundaries

ESPN is a private company and can do enforce what they want in regards to free speech. However, when they fire some and not others it is clear they are taking sides. Thus, we the viewers will react accordingly.

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9/14/2017  11:05 AM
BRIGGS wrote:For the most part when I hear these words--I can only think of the KKK--Neo Nazis and or other radically racist groups.

If she believes that Donald Trump and nearly his entire staff are white supremacists--shes out of her mind.

Should she be fired--no. The US is a free country and she should have the right to speak what she feels while maintaining a discipline within her work boundaries

the one's Trump called "good people?" Those Neo Nazis? Just trying to clarify
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9/14/2017  11:33 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:For the most part when I hear these words--I can only think of the KKK--Neo Nazis and or other radically racist groups.

If she believes that Donald Trump and nearly his entire staff are white supremacists--shes out of her mind.

Should she be fired--no. The US is a free country and she should have the right to speak what she feels while maintaining a discipline within her work boundaries

the one's Trump called "good people?" Those Neo Nazis? Just trying to clarify

If I may--I think what Donald trump was saying there was that there are good people who dont want the statues to come down. They dont need to stand with the KKK or any of these groups but are included in the side that did not want to see the destruction of the statues. Also--the "other side" violence is real. The "antifa" group among others is a violent group. The unfortunate loss of life was caused by a group that should get 0 coverage--this whole thing couldve been avoided if they left it to the police. The number of KKK or Neo Nazti is so small--dont give them a voice--you give them a voice by protesting against them--thats what they are looking for.

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9/14/2017  11:37 AM
She should keep her job it's freedom of speech. But with that said I like my sports TV to be about sports. I don't need her having a bigger voice to mind mold opinions that are her opinions. She is spreading more divisiveness than unity. I always felt sports was about being people together.
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9/14/2017  11:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/14/2017  11:47 AM
Vmart wrote:She should keep her job it's freedom of speech. But with that said I like my sports TV to be about sports. I don't need her having a bigger voice to mind mold opinions that are her opinions. She is spreading more divisiveness than unity. I always felt sports was about being people together.


It gets deeper..

this in regards to Linda cohn recent suspension

As comments go, virtually no one could disagree with any of what she said. ESPN did overpay for the NBA and other sports rights, it’s why they are firing hundreds of employees. And ESPN’s ratings have definitely plummeted over the past couple of years at the same time that they have lost over 13 million cable subscribers. Studies have clearly shown that conservatives have felt alienated by ESPN’s leftward turn and have abandoned the network in droves as well.

Everything that Cohn said was supported by ample data.

But her opinion still wasn’t acceptable to ESPN’s bosses, who have been arguing, and losing the public battle, that ESPN hasn’t adopted a left wing mantra.

According to multiple sources inside ESPN — Cohn declined comment when reached by Outkick — ESPN president John Skipper called Cohn and screamed at her for having the gall to share her opinion in public and told her to stay at home instead of coming to work that weekend. Why was Cohn to stay at home? So, according to an irate John Skipper, she could have time to think about what she had said.

When Outkick reached out to ESPN seeking comment on the Cohn story, ESPN’s PR staff refused to explain anything about the decision, responding via email: “The last time we responded with an explanation, you called us liars.”

Word of Linda Cohn’s suspension raced through ESPN’s corridors with many employees furious over Skipper’s treatment of the longtime legend at the network. Especially when so many at ESPN disagreed with the direction of the network in general and felt compelled to keep their mouths shut lest they also say something that angered their bosses.

Time after time and employee after employee has reached out to Outkick to express total befuddlement with John Skipper’s incompetence.

“The guy running our company,” said one prominent employee who requested anonymity, “is not good at his job. When is he going to fire himself instead of firing everyone else?”

But most inside ESPN kept the Cohn story quiet until yesterday, when Jemele Hill received no punishment for Tweeting Donald Trump was a “white supremacist,” that Trump was only elected president because he was white and had the support of racists and that Trump’s administration — the cabinet of which features a black man, an Indian woman, an Asian woman, and multiple Jewish people — was “largely…white supremacists.”

At that point the floodgates broke and employee after employee reached out to Outkick to share the Cohn story and other comments. (Outkick granted them anonymity because they all feared being fired if they used their names. Plus, these are the same sources that have consistently been correct about ESPN’s firings, the Robert Lee debacle and now the Linda Cohn suspension.)

Said another, different ESPN personality, “If Jemele can say that and Linda can’t say what she said, what kind of standard actually exists here? There isn’t one. There’s clearly a double standard. If you say things the company agrees with, you don’t get punished. If you say things the company disagrees with, you do get punished. Maybe even fired.”

Another prominent employee who also requested anonymity stated, “If I’d said Obama got elected because he was black is there any way I’d still be employed here? No chance. But Jemele can say Trump got elected because of white racists and no one does anything? They protect the people they agree with politically. They give them better jobs, more money, everyone can see it.”

Another employee recently contacted Outkick and said, “I pretend I’m a Democrat so I can keep my job here. And there are others just like me. We’re like a secret society inside ESPN.”

For many the combination of the Cohn suspension and the Jemele Hill non-punishment was a breaking point.

“I’m tired,” said yet another employee, “of pretending this company is not full of ****.”

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9/14/2017  11:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/14/2017  11:54 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Some others have been fired by ESPN for voicing their political views. Most, if not all, of those came from the other side. Will ESPN remain consistent?

The fact is, ESPN is a SPORTS NETWORK. Their ratings are bleeding just like the NFL's because they have injected themselves as SJW's. It is silly. Too much is politicized which only causes more of it.

We need to look at ways to bring people together and stop this constant barrage of pulling them apart and at odds with each other. It started in the 90's and it has only gotten worse with the advancement of technology and the likes of Facebook, twitter and others.

The thing to remember is opinions are like ***h0le$, everyone has one.

This is a falsehood. Curt schilling was fired by ESPN for coservative comments only after he had been warned twice before to stop it. This is Hills first offense, so they have warned her and are not firing her. ESPN has been consistent as these comments were made on her personal account and not an espn broadcast.

Also, cohen's comments were of an entirel different nature. She was essentially criticizing her bosses and their business decisions. If you basically said your boss was an idiot, don't you think you would be suspended or fired. Totally different type of comments.

Also, if hill should be fired for her comments, then Trump should be fired for saying Obama was a despicable person who wiretapped his hotel which has been shown to be totally untrue. And why is the White House weighing in on whether a private citizen should be fired. It is unbelievable.

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9/14/2017  12:06 PM
Trump has been able to become president pretty much disrespecting anyone who wasn't a white male. I think he has opened up fair game for everyone.
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9/14/2017  12:58 PM
TheGame wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Some others have been fired by ESPN for voicing their political views. Most, if not all, of those came from the other side. Will ESPN remain consistent?

The fact is, ESPN is a SPORTS NETWORK. Their ratings are bleeding just like the NFL's because they have injected themselves as SJW's. It is silly. Too much is politicized which only causes more of it.

We need to look at ways to bring people together and stop this constant barrage of pulling them apart and at odds with each other. It started in the 90's and it has only gotten worse with the advancement of technology and the likes of Facebook, twitter and others.

The thing to remember is opinions are like ***h0le$, everyone has one.

This is a falsehood. Curt schilling was fired by ESPN for coservative comments only after he had been warned twice before to stop it. This is Hills first offense, so they have warned her and are not firing her. ESPN has been consistent as these comments were made on her personal account and not an espn broadcast.

Also, cohen's comments were of an entirel different nature. She was essentially criticizing her bosses and their business decisions. If you basically said your boss was an idiot, don't you think you would be suspended or fired. Totally different type of comments.

Also, if hill should be fired for her comments, then Trump should be fired for saying Obama was a despicable person who wiretapped his hotel which has been shown to be totally untrue. Fired for what - voicing his opinion? And when Obama said untrue things did you voice the same opinion for him getting fired? All politicians should then be fired, which I actually can agree with. And why is the White House weighing in on whether a private citizen should be fired. It is unbelievable.

You are correct Schilling was warned. However, when actually fired, it was for a comment on his Facebook page not an ESPN page. So as with Hill, both made the comments in a non ESPN affiliated way. We will see if Hill can learn from the history with Schilling.


If you are saying ESPN covered their butts with a warning, that is fine. They also could have used the same statement for Schilling as they did to cover for Hill. They did not for a reason.

Cohn was asked a question during an interview, her answer was essentially, "stick to sports, that's what we do best"

ESPN's handling of her is rather extreme. SAS just ranted at ESPN for ranking Melo 64th with no discipline. SHe gets suspended for saying a sports network should do sporst? Hmmmm, sounds a bit extreme to me.


IN addition, why now? Cohn made her comments in April and now she is disciplined?

Huh?

Finally, Doug Alder was fired for his first offense for saying something that was not racist but was INTERPRETED as such because in English some words sound the same as others. ANother example of ESPN's tactics fairness and tolerance?

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9/14/2017  1:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/14/2017  1:16 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
TheGame wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Some others have been fired by ESPN for voicing their political views. Most, if not all, of those came from the other side. Will ESPN remain consistent?

The fact is, ESPN is a SPORTS NETWORK. Their ratings are bleeding just like the NFL's because they have injected themselves as SJW's. It is silly. Too much is politicized which only causes more of it.

We need to look at ways to bring people together and stop this constant barrage of pulling them apart and at odds with each other. It started in the 90's and it has only gotten worse with the advancement of technology and the likes of Facebook, twitter and others.

The thing to remember is opinions are like ***h0le$, everyone has one.

This is a falsehood. Curt schilling was fired by ESPN for coservative comments only after he had been warned twice before to stop it. This is Hills first offense, so they have warned her and are not firing her. ESPN has been consistent as these comments were made on her personal account and not an espn broadcast.

Also, cohen's comments were of an entirel different nature. She was essentially criticizing her bosses and their business decisions. If you basically said your boss was an idiot, don't you think you would be suspended or fired. Totally different type of comments.

Also, if hill should be fired for her comments, then Trump should be fired for saying Obama was a despicable person who wiretapped his hotel which has been shown to be totally untrue. Fired for what - voicing his opinion? And when Obama said untrue things did you voice the same opinion for him getting fired? All politicians should then be fired, which I actually can agree with. And why is the White House weighing in on whether a private citizen should be fired. It is unbelievable.

You are correct Schilling was warned. However, when actually fired, it was for a comment on his Facebook page not an ESPN page. So as with Hill, both made the comments in a non ESPN affiliated way. We will see if Hill can learn from the history with Schilling.


If you are saying ESPN covered their butts with a warning, that is fine. They also could have used the same statement for Schilling as they did to cover for Hill. They did not for a reason.

Cohn was asked a question during an interview, her answer was essentially, "stick to sports, that's what we do best"

ESPN's handling of her is rather extreme. SAS just ranted at ESPN for ranking Melo 64th with no discipline. SHe gets suspended for saying a sports network should do sporst? Hmmmm, sounds a bit extreme to me.


IN addition, why now? Cohn made her comments in April and now she is disciplined?

Huh?

Finally, Doug Alder was fired for his first offense for saying something that was not racist but was INTERPRETED as such because in English some words sound the same as others. ANother example of ESPN's tactics fairness and tolerance?

Again, Adler made his comments during an espn broadcast not his personal twitter account and from my reading of the situation espn just did not really like him and just terminated the relationship without any heavy condemnation of his comments. They accepted his apology.

sAS comments on the ranking is not a comment against espn bosses. So that is not something they would even care about. Espn has treated hill the same as they would have treated a white broadcaster with her status who made a personal comment on their personal twitter account.

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TheGame wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:
TheGame wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Some others have been fired by ESPN for voicing their political views. Most, if not all, of those came from the other side. Will ESPN remain consistent?

The fact is, ESPN is a SPORTS NETWORK. Their ratings are bleeding just like the NFL's because they have injected themselves as SJW's. It is silly. Too much is politicized which only causes more of it.

We need to look at ways to bring people together and stop this constant barrage of pulling them apart and at odds with each other. It started in the 90's and it has only gotten worse with the advancement of technology and the likes of Facebook, twitter and others.

The thing to remember is opinions are like ***h0le$, everyone has one.

This is a falsehood. Curt schilling was fired by ESPN for coservative comments only after he had been warned twice before to stop it. This is Hills first offense, so they have warned her and are not firing her. ESPN has been consistent as these comments were made on her personal account and not an espn broadcast.

Also, cohen's comments were of an entirel different nature. She was essentially criticizing her bosses and their business decisions. If you basically said your boss was an idiot, don't you think you would be suspended or fired. Totally different type of comments.

Also, if hill should be fired for her comments, then Trump should be fired for saying Obama was a despicable person who wiretapped his hotel which has been shown to be totally untrue. Fired for what - voicing his opinion? And when Obama said untrue things did you voice the same opinion for him getting fired? All politicians should then be fired, which I actually can agree with. And why is the White House weighing in on whether a private citizen should be fired. It is unbelievable.

You are correct Schilling was warned. However, when actually fired, it was for a comment on his Facebook page not an ESPN page. So as with Hill, both made the comments in a non ESPN affiliated way. We will see if Hill can learn from the history with Schilling.


If you are saying ESPN covered their butts with a warning, that is fine. They also could have used the same statement for Schilling as they did to cover for Hill. They did not for a reason.

Cohn was asked a question during an interview, her answer was essentially, "stick to sports, that's what we do best"

ESPN's handling of her is rather extreme. SAS just ranted at ESPN for ranking Melo 64th with no discipline. SHe gets suspended for saying a sports network should do sporst? Hmmmm, sounds a bit extreme to me.


IN addition, why now? Cohn made her comments in April and now she is disciplined?

Huh?

Finally, Doug Alder was fired for his first offense for saying something that was not racist but was INTERPRETED as such because in English some words sound the same as others. ANother example of ESPN's tactics fairness and tolerance?

Again, Adler made his comments during an espn broadcast not his personal twitter account and from my reading of the situation espn just did not really like him and just terminated the relationship without any heavy condemnation of his comments. They accepted his apology.

sAS comments on the ranking is not a comment against espn bosses. So that is not something they would even care about. Espn has treated hill the same as they would have treated a white broadcaster with her status who made a personal comment on their personal twitter account.

He was fired for his comments which were NOT meant as racist but a choice poor of words. They did not fire him because they did not like him!!! LOL! Firing a man after his comments is kind of condemning, NO? His career is ruined. He is suing them. Kind of condemning right?

SAS said ESPN people know nothing about basketball. ESPN spends billions on basketball - sounds like a insult to management to me. One for hiring bad people and 2 for allowing the ranking to get published. Who makes those decisions? Managment - same people Cohn criticized 6 months ago.

OT: Do you think ESPN should fire jemele Hill ?

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