TripleThreat wrote:The point of trading for Carmelo Anthony and taking Chris Paul on when he can walk at the end of the year is to GO FOR IT.

Trading off Capela when they basically have no other rim protection on the roster, on a pretty much capped out roster to boot, is not conducive to going for it.

There's no point in the Rockets going one step forward, then taking two steps back.

The Rockets can always look for other deals or wait to see if Melo gets bought out eventually. ( While that might not seem likely now, it still would be a better option than gutting their team of it's only true full time rim protector, and no Nene does not count here)

Nor are the Knicks getting an unprotected 1st rounder in any deal for Melo.

For the 10,000th time. If the Knicks ( or some other teams in a multiple team trade) are not willing to take Ryan Anderson, some non guaranteed contracts and a few protected/low picks, then it's no deal at all.

The Rockets can go on and function without Melo on their roster.

The Knicks cannot go on and function with Melo on their roster.

Why can't they?

I'd send them back Kyle O'quinn with Melo. Although Capela is due a pay raise, he's still a young asset that you can even flip at the trade deadline.

There's still the Melo for K.Love possibility but if Cavs think they're losing Lebron after the season then they may keep Love bc he's under contract and build team around he & Kyrie.

If trailblazers are in play, it would give the Knicks more leverage.

Worst case scenero is continue holding on to Melo up to training camp and you'll see his people telling teams to trade whomever to get him out of NY or we just hold on to him and expect him to be a professional in the last year of his contract.

TLover wrote:Adding Melo to the rockets with Harden & Paul is a big deal for that franchise; and big deal for Melo. We should do what Denver did to us in acquiring Melo in the first place. Melo wants to be on the rockets as bad as he wanted to be a Knick first time around.

I'd send them back Kyle O'quinn with Melo. Although Capela is due a pay raise, he's still a young asset that you can even flip at the trade deadline.

There's still the Melo for K.Love possibility but if Cavs think they're losing Lebron after the season then they may keep Love bc he's under contract and build team around he & Kyrie.

If trailblazers are in play, it would give the Knicks more leverage.

Worst case scenero is continue holding on to Melo up to training camp and you'll see his people telling teams to trade whomever to get him out of NY or we just hold on to him and expect him to be a professional in the last year of his contract.

No capella throws the Rockets out of balance. Rockets Defense was pretty good last year and its that very thing that starts any offensive attack. If IM rockets, I keep anderson and Capela than do a melo deal. KO'Q does not go starter minutes and protect the rim. He just doesn't.

Nalod would love to be wrong and we get Capela. Unless Morey can somehow find a not the equality starting 5, Im not seeing that no matter how much I want to see a trade done.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

TLover wrote:Adding Melo to the rockets with Harden & Paul is a big deal for that franchise; and big deal for Melo. We should do what Denver did to us in acquiring Melo in the first place. Melo wants to be on the rockets as bad as he wanted to be a Knick first time around.

I'd send them back Kyle O'quinn with Melo. Although Capela is due a pay raise, he's still a young asset that you can even flip at the trade deadline.

There's still the Melo for K.Love possibility but if Cavs think they're losing Lebron after the season then they may keep Love bc he's under contract and build team around he & Kyrie.

If trailblazers are in play, it would give the Knicks more leverage.

Worst case scenero is continue holding on to Melo up to training camp and you'll see his people telling teams to trade whomever to get him out of NY or we just hold on to him and expect him to be a professional in the last year of his contract.

No capella throws the Rockets out of balance. Rockets Defense was pretty good last year and its that very thing that starts any offensive attack. If IM rockets, I keep anderson and Capela than do a melo deal. KO'Q does not go starter minutes and protect the rim. He just doesn't.

Nalod would love to be wrong and we get Capela. Unless Morey can somehow find a not the equality starting 5, Im not seeing that no matter how much I want to see a trade done.

Yeah it's not important enough for us to get Capela that we should ask the Rockets to make this sacrifice. I'd rather ask for other sweeteners instead.

Melo's lack of defense and ball movement could actually make them worse. So Houston can afford to be careful with a Melo trade. Think the Super Lakers fit with Dwight and Nash.

Sinix wrote:Melo doesn't improve the Rockets much. The ball needs to be in Harden/CP3s hands and Melo isn't a catch and shoot player. He's an Iso guy.

Melo's lack of defense and ball movement could actually make them worse. So Houston can afford to be careful with a Melo trade. Think the Super Lakers fit with Dwight and Nash.

Melo is an elite catch and shoot player. Stats and the eye test back that up. Harden/Paul is a huge upgrade over Jose/Rose.

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:Melo doesn't improve the Rockets much. The ball needs to be in Harden/CP3s hands and Melo isn't a catch and shoot player. He's an Iso guy.

Melo's lack of defense and ball movement could actually make them worse. So Houston can afford to be careful with a Melo trade. Think the Super Lakers fit with Dwight and Nash.

Do you even watch basketball?

Yeah I actually made an argument. I get the feel all you do is plug Melo's PPG into houstons stats.

In 2017 Melo had the 3rd most iso plays per game in the NBA despite not being very efficient. This is something his coaches have gotten on him about that he is not going to change as he will turn 34 years old this upcoming season.

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:Melo doesn't improve the Rockets much. The ball needs to be in Harden/CP3s hands and Melo isn't a catch and shoot player. He's an Iso guy.

Melo's lack of defense and ball movement could actually make them worse. So Houston can afford to be careful with a Melo trade. Think the Super Lakers fit with Dwight and Nash.

Do you even watch basketball?

Yeah I actually made an argument. I get the feel all you do is plug Melo's PPG into houstons stats.

In 2017 Melo had the 3rd most iso plays per game in the NBA despite not being very efficient. This is something his coaches have gotten on him about that he is not going to change as he will turn 34 years old this upcoming season.

75% of Melo's 3s are assisted. 1/3 of his 2s are assisted. A HUGE part of Melo's offense is catch and shoot, and probably his best. The bold above and suggesting that playing Harden/CP3 doesnt make Melo better is clear evidence you have no clue what your talking about. Not that we really needed it.. but feel free to take a look at Melo's Olympics. He's played 80+ games for team USA. Thats a whole NBA season worth of data where we see that Melo is one of the best catch and shoot players. Like ever.

Yet he has no interest in playing a catch and shoot game.

What do you think Mike D, Karl and Phil had problems with Melo about. I'll save the mystery because we have a direct quote:

"He can play that role that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played," Jackson said. "That's a perfect spot for him, to be in that isolated position on the weak side. Because it's an overload offense and there's a weak-side man that always has an advantage if the ball is swung.
"Carmelo, a lot of times, wants to hold the ball longer than -- we have a rule, if you hold a pass two seconds, you benefit the defense. So he has a little bit of a tendency to hold the ball for three, four, five seconds, then everybody comes to a stop. That is one of the things we work with. But he has adjusted to it, he knows what it can do and he's willing to see its success."

This isn't the Olympics where the talent discrepancy is gigantic. It's a different game.

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:Melo doesn't improve the Rockets much. The ball needs to be in Harden/CP3s hands and Melo isn't a catch and shoot player. He's an Iso guy.

Melo's lack of defense and ball movement could actually make them worse. So Houston can afford to be careful with a Melo trade. Think the Super Lakers fit with Dwight and Nash.

Do you even watch basketball?

Yeah I actually made an argument. I get the feel all you do is plug Melo's PPG into houstons stats.

In 2017 Melo had the 3rd most iso plays per game in the NBA despite not being very efficient. This is something his coaches have gotten on him about that he is not going to change as he will turn 34 years old this upcoming season.

75% of Melo's 3s are assisted. 1/3 of his 2s are assisted. A HUGE part of Melo's offense is catch and shoot, and probably his best. The bold above and suggesting that playing Harden/CP3 doesnt make Melo better is clear evidence you have no clue what your talking about. Not that we really needed it.. but feel free to take a look at Melo's Olympics. He's played 80+ games for team USA. Thats a whole NBA season worth of data where we see that Melo is one of the best catch and shoot players. Like ever.