CrushAlot wrote:Interesting podcast. Begley said Frank pick was 100% Phil. He said some in the draft room wanted Smith and some wanted Monk. Also said that Smith's agent wouldnt give the Knicks all of his medical records so there were concerns there. Beck said he was talking to a western conference exec who said he thinks the Knicks are good going with Frank on day 1. All three guys really don't like Bakers deal. Speculation that Mills signed Tim to show Dolan he could do the pres job. A lot of chit chat about Melo and the trade but nothing really new. Still have a bit more to listen to.

Not much we don’t know but here were the highlights:

Ntilikina was a Phil pick, but not contested. Others liked Mitchell, Monk and Smith, but not all medical records were available for Smith and Mitchell and there were some other concerns. End of day Ntilikina was the guy because of defense. Knicks suck at defense every year and they are never getting better until that vastly improves.

In covering the summer league they asked about getting a vet PG. Another team’s exec (they didn’t name) said the Knicks would be fine if they went with Ntilikina on day 1. Despite being young he plays like a vet, under control and will surprise.

The killed Ron Baker’s contract, but strangely shortly after praised the Knicks for developing him in the first place. Also Lance and Galloway as players that got better with the Knicks.

Didn’t kill Hardway’s contract. It was an overpay… but that happens in FA. The timing was strange. Thought is this was a Mills power play to put a stamp on the team and he may not have liked the trade in the first place.

Phil – left the team in ok position. They basically said there are 5 great execs in the league and 5 terrible ones. Phil is in the grey area of the 20 others. He did lose every trade but he was there for 4 drafts, only had 2 #1s and left them with Ntilikina, Willy, Dotson, Baker and KP. Not too shabby.

Melo – talked about his history. Melo is about the money first and foremost. Phil a fool for giving him the NTC in the first place. Tyson and Melo did not get a long at all and that fueled the Dallas trade. Can’t envision him here in the fall

WaltLongmire wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Begley at the end of the podcast said KP 's issues with the Knicks weren't really with Phil but with some of the people that are still around after Phil left. He said if things aren't fixed he coud see KP leaving like Monroe did with the Pistons as a free agent. He said if KP goes he thinks Willy goes. He Sid they are a tandem and share the same agent.
Who are the people still around that KP had the issues with?

Rambis???

Are we talking about Phil's people? Who else on the coaching or training staff might KP not like?

CrushAlot wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Begley at the end of the podcast said KP 's issues with the Knicks weren't really with Phil but with some of the people that are still around after Phil left. He said if things aren't fixed he coud see KP leaving like Monroe did with the Pistons as a free agent. He said if KP goes he thinks Willy goes. He Sid they are a tandem and share the same agent.
Who are the people still around that KP had the issues with?

Rambis???

Are we talking about Phil's people? Who else on the coaching or training staff might KP not like?

That was my first thought. There are only two Phil guys in the organization.

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Begley at the end of the podcast said KP 's issues with the Knicks weren't really with Phil but with some of the people that are still around after Phil left. He said if things aren't fixed he coud see KP leaving like Monroe did with the Pistons as a free agent. He said if KP goes he thinks Willy goes. He Sid they are a tandem and share the same agent.
Who are the people still around that KP had the issues with?

yea but that was less a prediction and more a doomsday scenario. I have no doubt Perry was brought in just for this reason. He's a hard worker and guy who looks to develop. We will see but those doomsday scenarios are a LONG way away.

Even in a typical MSG dysfunction what is more likely? Both waiting out for FA? Or both signing max contracts in the same offseason? Knicks are stupid but spending isnt one of their issues.

meloshouldgo wrote:They spoke at length about how much the Bargnani trade handcuffed Phil. He had two picks in 4 years and people question why he didn't go into a full rebuild from day 1, those people can't read.

Also all the drama around Kristaps was a result mainly from bad coaching and not holding players accountable and especially from locker room toxicity and yet there's at least 200 pages of threads here blaming Phil for it. The one thing Phil did that impacted KP was to sign Rose, but coming out of the prior season everybody from coach, to Melo to fans wanted a speedy penetrating PG, and it's not like they grow on trees.

The NTC and Noah signing were abysmal
Rose for Rolo was bad
Dumping JR and Shump and Tyson were inevitable
Signing Rolo was good
Drafts were good

Non basketball stuff
Culture change never happened, his focus was just system basketball that couldn't possibly happen with Melo
Had no way to hire an experienced GM as a second in command, because Mills was there
Inherited impossible amount of dysfunction but want allowed to clean house
Believed he could change Melo - really stupid thing to believe
Wasn't able to hire any good coaches, but the good coaches around the league had seen MDA's fate and wouldn't touch the Knicks(Melo) if it was the last job on earth -can't blame them

meloshouldgo wrote:They spoke at length about how much the Bargnani trade handcuffed Phil. He had two picks in 4 years and people question why he didn't go into a full rebuild from day 1, those people can't read.

Also all the drama around Kristaps was a result mainly from bad coaching and not holding players accountable and especially from locker room toxicity and yet there's at least 200 pages of threads here blaming Phil for it.The one thing Phil did that impacted KP was to sign Rose, but coming out of the prior season everybody from coach, to Melo to fans wanted a speedy penetrating PG, and it's not like they grow on trees.

The NTC and Noah signing were abysmal
Rose for Rolo was bad
Dumping JR and Shump and Tyson were inevitable
Signing Rolo was good
Drafts were good

Non basketball stuff
Culture change never happened, his focus was just system basketball that couldn't possibly happen with Melo
Had no way to hire an experienced GM as a second in command, because Mills was there
Inherited impossible amount of dysfunction but want allowed to clean house
Believed he could change Melo - really stupid thing to believe
Wasn't able to hire any good coaches, but the good coaches around the league had seen MDA's fate and wouldn't touch the Knicks(Melo) if it was the last job on earth -can't blame them