StarksEwing1 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:All of the original teams are making a comeback at the same time.... the Knicks are very much a part of that story....

Now I'm not saying teams are building exact replicas of their past great teams but if you look down the line at Boston, Philly, Lakers, NY... throw the kings in the mix too... they are making serious strides to get back to prominence.

The Lakers are quietly building up a superteam of young guys. Lonzo Ball isn't even the icing.... it's Kyle Kuzuma! They are looking eerily like the Showtime Lakers. They have modern day versions of greats like kareem, magic, Byron scott, worthy, Mcadoo, Jamal Wilkes, Michael cooper.... again the 2017 guys aren't great yet, but the group is very talented and now can go almost 10 deep with major talent.

I can give a run down for Philly too with their guys looking like the Dr J teams of the 80s. Boston is also looking like they want to bring back the early days of Bird when they had Tiny Archibald running the team.

The Knicks are slowly getting into a rebuilding groove. They have young versions of Willis Reed, Lucas, Clyde, Barnett, Bill Bradley developing... nothing close to great so calm the **** down. Just saying we are building up towards something. Players haven't reach potential yet. We settle need to add more players over the next few years...

All the teams mentioned aren't finished products or ready to push into the playoffs today. Within 2 years they all will. It's a great thing for us fans. Stop ****ing complaining so damn much and see the bigger picture. We are in to something special.... and so are our original rivals. I'm excited as all hell

Still have a ways to go. I'm happy they we are FINALLY focusing on youth/drafting instead of throwing away countless picks and young assets for crap and getting worse. As far as the other teams only Boston is there right now. However Lakers have had a long history of winning up until a few years ago. yes I understand positivity is good thing but you cant blame some fans for being hesistant...the past 17 years have been rough

I said within 2 years they all will be back on top. That's still quite some time to build up their best product.

I don't want to talk about 17 years... We need to focus on what we have going for us now. The fans play a huge part in this. Our energy will effect the karma of this team. The power of positivity... mindfulness... purple really need to understand that. Can't let outside **** influence the power we have

Sinix wrote:The Knicks are a cluster f*** and one of, if not, the most hopeless NBA franchise right now.

What world are you living in where the Knicks are making a comeback? This offseason has been an utter disaster.

The Knicks took a step back culture wise, getting Dolan back into the mix, making 'win now' moves while not even being a playoff club. The negative culture is tied with players like Melo, which his play style is being passed down to the young players because we've failed to turn the page on him in a timely fashion.

The Knicks did almost everything wrong they could of done wrong. I don't see any way you can turn this into a comeback story. The more likely story is no playoffs for the foreseeable future in an epicly weak conference, not high enough draft picks, cap tied up for years and the worst management culture because of Dolan.

At least Phil is gone

Sinix wrote:The Knicks are a cluster f*** and one of, if not, the most hopeless NBA franchise right now.

What world are you living in where the Knicks are making a comeback? This offseason has been an utter disaster.

The Knicks took a step back culture wise, getting Dolan back into the mix, making 'win now' moves while not even being a playoff club. The negative culture is tied with players like Melo, which his play style is being passed down to the young players because we've failed to turn the page on him in a timely fashion.

The Knicks did almost everything wrong they could of done wrong. I don't see any way you can turn this into a comeback story. The more likely story is no playoffs for the foreseeable future in an epicly weak conference, not high enough draft picks, cap tied up for years and the worst management culture because of Dolan.

CrushAlot wrote:

Sinix wrote:The Knicks are a cluster f*** and one of, if not, the most hopeless NBA franchise right now.

What world are you living in where the Knicks are making a comeback? This offseason has been an utter disaster.

The Knicks took a step back culture wise, getting Dolan back into the mix, making 'win now' moves while not even being a playoff club. The negative culture is tied with players like Melo, which his play style is being passed down to the young players because we've failed to turn the page on him in a timely fashion.

The Knicks did almost everything wrong they could of done wrong. I don't see any way you can turn this into a comeback story. The more likely story is no playoffs for the foreseeable future in an epicly weak conference, not high enough draft picks, cap tied up for years and the worst management culture because of Dolan.

I am trying to figure out what the Knicks did that was a win now move this offseason. They drafted Frank, and Dotson, signed Kornet, Baker and Hardaway, waived Plumlee and Ndour, allowed Rose and possibly Sasha to walk, fired Phil, hired Scott. Also, the culture could not get worse then it was.

That venom is why we can't win anything.... Every thing we did can't be dim and gloom. I truly feel sorry for people like this. They bring sorrow to the world when there isn't.

EnySpree wrote:All of the original teams are making a comeback at the same time.... the Knicks are very much a part of that story....

Now I'm not saying teams are building exact replicas of their past great teams but if you look down the line at Boston, Philly, Lakers, NY... throw the kings in the mix too... they are making serious strides to get back to prominence.

The Lakers are quietly building up a superteam of young guys. Lonzo Ball isn't even the icing.... it's Kyle Kuzuma! They are looking eerily like the Showtime Lakers. They have modern day versions of greats like kareem, magic, Byron scott, worthy, Mcadoo, Jamal Wilkes, Michael cooper.... again the 2017 guys aren't great yet, but the group is very talented and now can go almost 10 deep with major talent.

I can give a run down for Philly too with their guys looking like the Dr J teams of the 80s. Boston is also looking like they want to bring back the early days of Bird when they had Tiny Archibald running the team.

The Knicks are slowly getting into a rebuilding groove. They have young versions of Willis Reed, Lucas, Clyde, Barnett, Bill Bradley developing... nothing close to great so calm the **** down. Just saying we are building up towards something. Players haven't reach potential yet. We settle need to add more players over the next few years...

All the teams mentioned aren't finished products or ready to push into the playoffs today. Within 2 years they all will. It's a great thing for us fans. Stop ****ing complaining so damn much and see the bigger picture. We are in to something special.... and so are our original rivals. I'm excited as all hell

I think the Knicks will need more than two years to stockpile enough youth to be ten deep and talented. But yes we are seeing the first steps in a the cycle of course correction. The important thing is to keep it on focus and not slide back into the murky past that was the 17 years before Phil.

Also think that Melo will continue to be a drag on this rebuild effort and really needs to be moved. Without that it will be yet another failed makeover, with only marginal talent being pulled in from late first round picks.

If we can shed Melo, then somehow move Noah (or stretch him?) and not take any youth or picks away then we should start feeling really good about the rebuild.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Sinix wrote:The Knicks are a cluster f*** and one of, if not, the most hopeless NBA franchise right now.

What world are you living in where the Knicks are making a comeback? This offseason has been an utter disaster.

The Knicks took a step back culture wise, getting Dolan back into the mix, making 'win now' moves while not even being a playoff club. The negative culture is tied with players like Melo, which his play style is being passed down to the young players because we've failed to turn the page on him in a timely fashion.

The Knicks did almost everything wrong they could of done wrong. I don't see any way you can turn this into a comeback story. The more likely story is no playoffs for the foreseeable future in an epicly weak conference, not high enough draft picks, cap tied up for years and the worst management culture because of Dolan.

I am trying to figure out what the Knicks did that was a win now move this offseason. They drafted Frank, and Dotson, signed Kornet, Baker and Hardaway, waived Plumlee and Ndour, allowed Rose and possibly Sasha to walk, fired Phil, hired Scott. Also, the culture could not get worse then it was.

That venom is why we can't win anything.... Every thing we did can't be dim and gloom. I truly feel sorry for people like this. They bring sorrow to the world when there isn't.

I just don't see any of those moves as win now type moves. No guys over 25 signed, a search and hiring of an experienced front office guy instead of an inexperienced big name, moving on from Rose etc.

It's not about winning now...it's about starting the foundation for winning, NOW.

Its not about starting the foundation for winning now, its about winning the foundation for......****!

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:All of the original teams are making a comeback at the same time.... the Knicks are very much a part of that story....

Now I'm not saying teams are building exact replicas of their past great teams but if you look down the line at Boston, Philly, Lakers, NY... throw the kings in the mix too... they are making serious strides to get back to prominence.

The Lakers are quietly building up a superteam of young guys. Lonzo Ball isn't even the icing.... it's Kyle Kuzuma! They are looking eerily like the Showtime Lakers. They have modern day versions of greats like kareem, magic, Byron scott, worthy, Mcadoo, Jamal Wilkes, Michael cooper.... again the 2017 guys aren't great yet, but the group is very talented and now can go almost 10 deep with major talent.

I can give a run down for Philly too with their guys looking like the Dr J teams of the 80s. Boston is also looking like they want to bring back the early days of Bird when they had Tiny Archibald running the team.

The Knicks are slowly getting into a rebuilding groove. They have young versions of Willis Reed, Lucas, Clyde, Barnett, Bill Bradley developing... nothing close to great so calm the **** down. Just saying we are building up towards something. Players haven't reach potential yet. We settle need to add more players over the next few years...

All the teams mentioned aren't finished products or ready to push into the playoffs today. Within 2 years they all will. It's a great thing for us fans. Stop ****ing complaining so damn much and see the bigger picture. We are in to something special.... and so are our original rivals. I'm excited as all hell

I think the Knicks will need more than two years to stockpile enough youth to be ten deep and talented. But yes we are seeing the first steps in a the cycle of course correction. The important thing is to keep it on focus and not slide back into the murky past that was the 17 years before Phil.

Also think that Melo will continue to be a drag on this rebuild effort and really needs to be moved. Without that it will be yet another failed makeover, with only marginal talent being pulled in from late first round picks.

If we can shed Melo, then somehow move Noah (or stretch him?) and not take any youth or picks away then we should start feeling really good about the rebuild.

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:All of the original teams are making a comeback at the same time.... the Knicks are very much a part of that story....

Now I'm not saying teams are building exact replicas of their past great teams but if you look down the line at Boston, Philly, Lakers, NY... throw the kings in the mix too... they are making serious strides to get back to prominence.

The Lakers are quietly building up a superteam of young guys. Lonzo Ball isn't even the icing.... it's Kyle Kuzuma! They are looking eerily like the Showtime Lakers. They have modern day versions of greats like kareem, magic, Byron scott, worthy, Mcadoo, Jamal Wilkes, Michael cooper.... again the 2017 guys aren't great yet, but the group is very talented and now can go almost 10 deep with major talent.

I can give a run down for Philly too with their guys looking like the Dr J teams of the 80s. Boston is also looking like they want to bring back the early days of Bird when they had Tiny Archibald running the team.

The Knicks are slowly getting into a rebuilding groove. They have young versions of Willis Reed, Lucas, Clyde, Barnett, Bill Bradley developing... nothing close to great so calm the **** down. Just saying we are building up towards something. Players haven't reach potential yet. We settle need to add more players over the next few years...

All the teams mentioned aren't finished products or ready to push into the playoffs today. Within 2 years they all will. It's a great thing for us fans. Stop ****ing complaining so damn much and see the bigger picture. We are in to something special.... and so are our original rivals. I'm excited as all hell

I think the Knicks will need more than two years to stockpile enough youth to be ten deep and talented. But yes we are seeing the first steps in a the cycle of course correction. The important thing is to keep it on focus and not slide back into the murky past that was the 17 years before Phil.

Also think that Melo will continue to be a drag on this rebuild effort and really needs to be moved. Without that it will be yet another failed makeover, with only marginal talent being pulled in from late first round picks.

If we can shed Melo, then somehow move Noah (or stretch him?) and not take any youth or picks away then we should start feeling really good about the rebuild.

If you go back 17 years before Phil, JVG was the coach and the Knicks still had a finals run coming up. What did Phil start? The team lost at a rate not seen since the Hubie Brown years and Phil was trying to win. The team had 4 coaches during his short tenure and no roster continuity. Last year the team brought in 11 new players (10 to start the season) on a 15 man roster. Six of the new guys were undrafted and the Knicks had a league leading 8 undrafted guys on a 15 man roster. Character guys are great but if your roster is constructed of 8 undrafted guys with only 5 guys on the team that were drafted in the first round you have a void in the talent area and you need to start building a team. If he traded KP he would have no legacy as an executive with the Knicks.

Y'all seem to read what you want. I didn't say anything at all about bringing in undrafted players. In fact I said we need to be ten deep and talented.

What Phil started was keeping first round picks and drafting well. Two things that haven't happened in two decades.

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

EnySpree wrote:All of the original teams are making a comeback at the same time.... the Knicks are very much a part of that story....

Now I'm not saying teams are building exact replicas of their past great teams but if you look down the line at Boston, Philly, Lakers, NY... throw the kings in the mix too... they are making serious strides to get back to prominence.

The Lakers are quietly building up a superteam of young guys. Lonzo Ball isn't even the icing.... it's Kyle Kuzuma! They are looking eerily like the Showtime Lakers. They have modern day versions of greats like kareem, magic, Byron scott, worthy, Mcadoo, Jamal Wilkes, Michael cooper.... again the 2017 guys aren't great yet, but the group is very talented and now can go almost 10 deep with major talent.

I can give a run down for Philly too with their guys looking like the Dr J teams of the 80s. Boston is also looking like they want to bring back the early days of Bird when they had Tiny Archibald running the team.

The Knicks are slowly getting into a rebuilding groove. They have young versions of Willis Reed, Lucas, Clyde, Barnett, Bill Bradley developing... nothing close to great so calm the **** down. Just saying we are building up towards something. Players haven't reach potential yet. We settle need to add more players over the next few years...

All the teams mentioned aren't finished products or ready to push into the playoffs today. Within 2 years they all will. It's a great thing for us fans. Stop ****ing complaining so damn much and see the bigger picture. We are in to something special.... and so are our original rivals. I'm excited as all hell

I think the Knicks will need more than two years to stockpile enough youth to be ten deep and talented. But yes we are seeing the first steps in a the cycle of course correction. The important thing is to keep it on focus and not slide back into the murky past that was the 17 years before Phil.

Also think that Melo will continue to be a drag on this rebuild effort and really needs to be moved. Without that it will be yet another failed makeover, with only marginal talent being pulled in from late first round picks.

If we can shed Melo, then somehow move Noah (or stretch him?) and not take any youth or picks away then we should start feeling really good about the rebuild.

If you go back 17 years before Phil, JVG was the coach and the Knicks still had a finals run coming up. What did Phil start? The team lost at a rate not seen since the Hubie Brown years and Phil was trying to win. The team had 4 coaches during his short tenure and no roster continuity. Last year the team brought in 11 new players (10 to start the season) on a 15 man roster. Six of the new guys were undrafted and the Knicks had a league leading 8 undrafted guys on a 15 man roster. Character guys are great but if your roster is constructed of 8 undrafted guys with only 5 guys on the team that were drafted in the first round you have a void in the talent area and you need to start building a team. If he traded KP he would have no legacy as an executive with the Knicks.

Y'all seem to read what you want. I didn't say anything at all about bringing in undrafted players. In fact I said we need to be ten deep and talented.

What Phil started was keeping first round picks and drafting well. Two things that haven't happened in two decades.

keep it on focus and not slide back into the murky past that was the 17 years before Phil.