EnySpree wrote:You guys got things twisted....

Melo wants to go to Houston...

Knicks don't like any trades they can come up with....

The knicks don't have to trade Melo....

This is Melo's only options.... expand his list of teams he would go to or honor his contact. He has to show up and play. If he doesn't want to cooperate... he can sit on the bench or get ordered to stay away. Get fined from the team and all that. That's not a bad thing. It shows our young players nothing and no one is above the team. Its the team that matters. There are 14 other players careers to build, not just one.

The Knicks don't have to buy him out. What makes Melo different from any other player? Nobody can care less if Noah plays again. Why so much concern for Melo?

Having Melo's dead contract on the roster sucks... but are the Knicks championship contenders? No.... will a lottery pick be a disaster? No.... it would be a come up. Melo could sit and opt out next summer. Or he can play choir boy and see what the year brings before the trade deadline.

The knicks are in control here. This is business. Nothing personal

So we've basically evened up the playing field with trading Melo cause we know where he wants to go but we're not gonna give him away or take on bad contracts unless we get good assets in young players and draft picks to come with those bad contracts. It's too bad we let it get so far with Houston and making it look like a deal with Houston was everything but done cause Melo has now got his hopes up to go there so getting him to even think about adding teams to his list that he'd waive his NTC for is gonna be hard to do. We can get a much better return from teams like Portland, Wash or OKC then we can from Houston or Clev so it sure would be nice if he would waive it for Portland, even if it was just to get Houston worried they won't get him and get them to up their offer for him. The problem with getting Morey to believe he'd waive his NTC for another team is that i'm sure Melo and CP3 are talking with each other through this whole thing and i'm sure Morey is talking with CP3 about what Melo will really do.

You say nobody could care less if Noah ever plays a game for us but that's crazy if true cause i damn sure hope and think he's gonna play games for us and i still think he can be a positive for us if healthy so i'm not giving up on Noah yet.

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:You guys got things twisted....

Melo wants to go to Houston...

Knicks don't like any trades they can come up with....

The knicks don't have to trade Melo....

This is Melo's only options.... expand his list of teams he would go to or honor his contact. He has to show up and play. If he doesn't want to cooperate... he can sit on the bench or get ordered to stay away. Get fined from the team and all that. That's not a bad thing. It shows our young players nothing and no one is above the team. Its the team that matters. There are 14 other players careers to build, not just one.

The Knicks don't have to buy him out. What makes Melo different from any other player? Nobody can care less if Noah plays again. Why so much concern for Melo?

Having Melo's dead contract on the roster sucks... but are the Knicks championship contenders? No.... will a lottery pick be a disaster? No.... it would be a come up. Melo could sit and opt out next summer. Or he can play choir boy and see what the year brings before the trade deadline.

The knicks are in control here. This is business. Nothing personal

So we've basically evened up the playing field with trading Melo cause we know where he wants to go but we're not gonna give him away or take on bad contracts unless we get good assets in young players and draft picks to come with those bad contracts. It's too bad we let it get so far with Houston and making it look like a deal with Houston was everything but done cause Melo has now got his hopes up to go there so getting him to even think about adding teams to his list that he'd waive his NTC for is gonna be hard to do. We can get a much better return from teams like Portland, Wash or OKC then we can from Houston or Clev so it sure would be nice if he would waive it for Portland, even if it was just to get Houston worried they won't get him and get them to up their offer for him. The problem with getting Morey to believe he'd waive his NTC for another team is that i'm sure Melo and CP3 are talking with each other through this whole thing and i'm sure Morey is talking with CP3 about what Melo will really do.

You say nobody could care less if Noah ever plays a game for us but that's crazy if true cause i damn sure hope and think he's gonna play games for us and i still think he can be a positive for us if healthy so i'm not giving up on Noah yet.

I think this step was necessary for everything else to fall out, i.e. put Knicks in a better trading position.

anrst wrote:turns out the Knicks also have a no trade clause

Nice.

WaltLongmire wrote:

franco12 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:You guys got things twisted....

Melo wants to go to Houston...

Knicks don't like any trades they can come up with....

The knicks don't have to trade Melo....

This is Melo's only options.... expand his list of teams he would go to or honor his contact. He has to show up and play. If he doesn't want to cooperate... he can sit on the bench or get ordered to stay away. Get fined from the team and all that. That's not a bad thing. It shows our young players nothing and no one is above the team. Its the team that matters. There are 14 other players careers to build, not just one.

The Knicks don't have to buy him out. What makes Melo different from any other player? Nobody can care less if Noah plays again. Why so much concern for Melo?

Having Melo's dead contract on the roster sucks... but are the Knicks championship contenders? No.... will a lottery pick be a disaster? No.... it would be a come up. Melo could sit and opt out next summer. Or he can play choir boy and see what the year brings before the trade deadline.

The knicks are in control here. This is business. Nothing personal

I agree, but I do see the downside to player development and chemistry if Melo is here. He's done well, but I think by his very stature, he has star treatment, and others don't and I think this, and his prior contracts have caused distractions.

I agree we're not winning any time soon, but I think there is value to ending the Melo experiment so the franchise and the players left can move on without distraction.

Yup...If he's on the team, whether he starts, comes off the bench, or sits on the bench, he will retard the development of some players and be a distraction in the locker room.

Truly a moment when a move will help both the player and the team.

Thing is, the Knicks can always release Melo on the eve of training camp, which is months away. There is little imperative to move him now if the return is undesirable.

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

franco12 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:You guys got things twisted....

Melo wants to go to Houston...

Knicks don't like any trades they can come up with....

The knicks don't have to trade Melo....

This is Melo's only options.... expand his list of teams he would go to or honor his contact. He has to show up and play. If he doesn't want to cooperate... he can sit on the bench or get ordered to stay away. Get fined from the team and all that. That's not a bad thing. It shows our young players nothing and no one is above the team. Its the team that matters. There are 14 other players careers to build, not just one.

The Knicks don't have to buy him out. What makes Melo different from any other player? Nobody can care less if Noah plays again. Why so much concern for Melo?

Having Melo's dead contract on the roster sucks... but are the Knicks championship contenders? No.... will a lottery pick be a disaster? No.... it would be a come up. Melo could sit and opt out next summer. Or he can play choir boy and see what the year brings before the trade deadline.

The knicks are in control here. This is business. Nothing personal

I agree, but I do see the downside to player development and chemistry if Melo is here. He's done well, but I think by his very stature, he has star treatment, and others don't and I think this, and his prior contracts have caused distractions.

I agree we're not winning any time soon, but I think there is value to ending the Melo experiment so the franchise and the players left can move on without distraction.

Yup...If he's on the team, whether he starts, comes off the bench, or sits on the bench, he will retard the development of some players and be a distraction in the locker room.

Truly a moment when a move will help both the player and the team.

Thing is, the Knicks can always release Melo on the eve of training camp, which is months away. There is little imperative to move him now if the return is undesirable.

Or during training camp, or during the start of the season.

At that point the GM comes in addresses the team and says we had hoped to make it worse but we had a player that was more focused on doing it his way and we didnt want it to becomes a distraction. Even though this player is a highly paid player with status in the league this team is about you guys, not about him.... end of speech.

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

franco12 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:You guys got things twisted....

Melo wants to go to Houston...

Knicks don't like any trades they can come up with....

The knicks don't have to trade Melo....

This is Melo's only options.... expand his list of teams he would go to or honor his contact. He has to show up and play. If he doesn't want to cooperate... he can sit on the bench or get ordered to stay away. Get fined from the team and all that. That's not a bad thing. It shows our young players nothing and no one is above the team. Its the team that matters. There are 14 other players careers to build, not just one.

The Knicks don't have to buy him out. What makes Melo different from any other player? Nobody can care less if Noah plays again. Why so much concern for Melo?

Having Melo's dead contract on the roster sucks... but are the Knicks championship contenders? No.... will a lottery pick be a disaster? No.... it would be a come up. Melo could sit and opt out next summer. Or he can play choir boy and see what the year brings before the trade deadline.

The knicks are in control here. This is business. Nothing personal

I agree, but I do see the downside to player development and chemistry if Melo is here. He's done well, but I think by his very stature, he has star treatment, and others don't and I think this, and his prior contracts have caused distractions.

I agree we're not winning any time soon, but I think there is value to ending the Melo experiment so the franchise and the players left can move on without distraction.

Yup...If he's on the team, whether he starts, comes off the bench, or sits on the bench, he will retard the development of some players and be a distraction in the locker room.

Truly a moment when a move will help both the player and the team.

Thing is, the Knicks can always release Melo on the eve of training camp, which is months away. There is little imperative to move him now if the return is undesirable.

Or during training camp, or during the start of the season.

At that point the GM comes in addresses the team and says we had hoped to make it worse but we had a player that was more focused on doing it his way and we didnt want it to becomes a distraction. Even though this player is a highly paid player with status in the league this team is about you guys, not about him.... end of speech.

Phil was at war with Melo and could not find away to correct the untradeable contract he gave him. The new management team s not at war with Melo. Working with Melo for a positive outcome is the best scenario. I don't see any situation where he is just released.

He's got an NTC. If you dont him trade when you are able to, the Knicks must consider that a buyout/waive may become a last resort should he decide that Jeff is telling him not to hold the ball so long or defend his guy and Melo decides "this sucks."

So I have no problem with the FO trying to make things right, or at least better but there is risk there also. Time will tell.

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

franco12 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:You guys got things twisted....

Melo wants to go to Houston...

Knicks don't like any trades they can come up with....

The knicks don't have to trade Melo....

This is Melo's only options.... expand his list of teams he would go to or honor his contact. He has to show up and play. If he doesn't want to cooperate... he can sit on the bench or get ordered to stay away. Get fined from the team and all that. That's not a bad thing. It shows our young players nothing and no one is above the team. Its the team that matters. There are 14 other players careers to build, not just one.

The Knicks don't have to buy him out. What makes Melo different from any other player? Nobody can care less if Noah plays again. Why so much concern for Melo?

Having Melo's dead contract on the roster sucks... but are the Knicks championship contenders? No.... will a lottery pick be a disaster? No.... it would be a come up. Melo could sit and opt out next summer. Or he can play choir boy and see what the year brings before the trade deadline.

The knicks are in control here. This is business. Nothing personal

I agree, but I do see the downside to player development and chemistry if Melo is here. He's done well, but I think by his very stature, he has star treatment, and others don't and I think this, and his prior contracts have caused distractions.

I agree we're not winning any time soon, but I think there is value to ending the Melo experiment so the franchise and the players left can move on without distraction.

Yup...If he's on the team, whether he starts, comes off the bench, or sits on the bench, he will retard the development of some players and be a distraction in the locker room.

Truly a moment when a move will help both the player and the team.

Thing is, the Knicks can always release Melo on the eve of training camp, which is months away. There is little imperative to move him now if the return is undesirable.

Or during training camp, or during the start of the season.

At that point the GM comes in addresses the team and says we had hoped to make it worse but we had a player that was more focused on doing it his way and we didnt want it to becomes a distraction. Even though this player is a highly paid player with status in the league this team is about you guys, not about him.... end of speech.

Phil was at war with Melo and could not find away to correct the untradeable contract he gave him. The new management team s not at war with Melo. Working with Melo for a positive outcome is the best scenario. I don't see any situation where he is just released.

If you ask Melo to do something he's not enthusiastic about it often becomes that. What did Phil ask him to do that turned so toxic? Rather that worry about assigning blame this is the real question.

He's got an NTC. If you dont him trade when you are able to, the Knicks must consider that a buyout/waive may become a last resort should he decide that Jeff is telling him not to hold the ball so long or defend his guy and Melo decides "this sucks."

So I have no problem with the FO trying to make things right, or at least better but there is risk there also. Time will tell.