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which current knick player has to really take there game to the next level
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knicks1248
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8/25/2004  9:31 AM
In order for us to be a lagit contender.

I'm gonig to go with TT, he can do every thing grant hill was capable of doing before he got injured, and should be putting up 17pts, 8rb, 5 ast, and 1.7blks. He is by far the most athletic player we have, he can post up, shoot from just about any where on the floor, play solid "D" ( just not consistant), run the floor extremely well, and is hardly ever in foul trouble.

If you ask me, he should be our MVP, and if he takes it to the next level, There isn't a 3 in the east that would match up well against him.
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djsunyc
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8/25/2004  9:40 AM
TT is a good one but the one player that we really need to take the knicks to a higher level is sweetney b/c he provides scoring in the post, something we don't have.

i think TT can take an already 2nd or 3rd round playoff team to another level but we're not that solid playoff team...yet.
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8/25/2004  9:41 AM
if TT and sweet improve, we may be a very dangerous team.

I'd be more than happy to have a low post presence since we didn't have one since...
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8/25/2004  9:43 AM
I agree with DJ on sweets, he is the guy we need, and the guy who will most likely take it to another level. He soon should be starter quality. If given the minutes without getting into foul trouble, he can be an 8/10 guy.
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8/25/2004  9:43 AM
It's gotta be Sweetney if we're really gonna step up to the next level. Right now our only other post player is Vin Baker. If Sweets can develop into a 15-18 ppg scorer to go with 8-10 rebounds and draw double teams, it will really open things up for our wing players.
knicks1248
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8/25/2004  9:50 AM
The thing about sweets is that I don't think he's going to make that giant leap you guy's are expecting him to make. He will certainly help us, but He's impact will not come consistanly until maybe next season, not this year.

He has the most potential, BUT TT can do it all.
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8/25/2004  9:50 AM
definitely Sweetney...TT has a solid game already...what this team needs more than anything is a dominant low post presence.
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8/25/2004  9:58 AM
I think the only thing TT is interested is kicking Collins in the head.

If TT can get his head on straight, his game can increase. Asking his rebounding to double is a stretch.

Sweets at 15-18 pts, 10-8 rebs is all-star caliber numbers on average.

Can he stay out of foul trouble enough to get his shots?

Craw has to do more with less shots, and Marbs has to orchestrate all the above! can marbs handle less is more greatness?
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8/25/2004  10:11 AM
its just going to be chemistry.. we have a lot of depth and dont need 1 or two guys to carry the scoring load.
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knicks1248
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8/25/2004  10:42 AM
No doubt about the chemistry factor, but we still need a reliable all around player. Marbs will really need to sacrafice his scoring, as well as crawford, and that to me will be the biggest test this season.

There's been times when steph doesn't no weather to shoot or distibute. His best game as a knick came on his 2nd game as a knick, I for got what his #s were like, but he did have 17 assist, and I belive it was against dallas.

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8/25/2004  10:46 AM
Posted by Nalod:

I think the only thing TT is interested is kicking Collins in the head.
I don't think he'd be doing the same kickboxing workouts that Kobe did and that EVERY NBA player should do IMO if he wasn't serious about improving his game as much as possible.
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8/25/2004  1:49 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

I'm gonig to go with TT, he can do every thing grant hill was capable of doing before he got injured

I like TT but he is NOWHERE close to hill on talent. Hill was one of the top 3 players in the league before he got hurt. Besides talent Hill also knew how to play the game correctly and TT has no clue or is just learning that aspect of the game.
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8/25/2004  1:53 PM
TT is nothing like Hill but he is the player that needs to take his game to the next level. I would say, so does Crawford but we haven't seen him play next to Marbury. We definately need Craw to handle the ball slightly more than our old SG's used to.
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8/25/2004  2:05 PM
TT started the boxing because he wanted to strengthen his upper body as Lenny told him he wanted to feature him in the post.

That being said I thing what you see is what you get w/ TT. He's a good clutch performer, and a nice versatile all around player. I think he averaged 17/5 w/ the Knicks which is pretty good because he had some games where he did nothing early on.

I think what you want to see from guys like Marbury, TT, KT, Nazr isnt so much more production but a bigger impact. The Knicks have the personel to be a great offensive team thats good on the boards. We arent the Mavs (not even close) but they did win 60 plus games without guarding anyone. My point is I hope we play to our strengths... share the ball, create easy buckets and work the glass. If we can do that w/ some chemistry we can win the division. If everyone stands around to watch whoever has the ball take their man one on one its going to be a long year.

I think Lenny's a good coach, but not all his teams have executed. He did a good job in Tor and Atl before that. Not great, but good.
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8/25/2004  2:23 PM
Marbury, Houston, Penny, KT, TT, Nazr, Sweetney, Crawford, JYD, Baker ALL have to take there games to the next level. That's how I view it. Nobody is exempt. If they wanna get somewhat far, they have to play above their heads all season long, and don't tell me they can't. In Spree's last season, everyone played their arses off, and we still only won 37 games. But that's b/c we just werren't good, and our frontcourt was horrific. If they could have done it, then this team could.

TT- Has to get his head out of his ars, stop the talking, and use that raw talent and athleticism he has and become much less of an underachiever.

Marbury- time to improve your defense, FTs and decision making in closing minutes.

Houston- Get healthy, and just do the best you can on defense at all times. I don't care if you aren't good. I just wanna see you try your ars off.

Sweetney- keep improving.

JYD- play like you have your whole career. just play like the psycho maniac that you are!

Baker- need I say anything. You can be great. Just play your heart out, and do the best you can on defense. That's all I ask for.

KT- Stop being stupid, and that's already taking your game to the next level.

Crawford- Stop being a streetball player, learn to shoot a J, and learn to play some team bball, as the season progresses.

Penny- Just shoot better than you did last season, and do everything else you've been doing. You were good.

Nazr- I dunno if you ever heard of it, but there is this game called basketball. It's a fun game. Learn to play it, and you can actually be pretty good!
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8/25/2004  2:29 PM
I'll go with Nazr here. He's the tallest Knick now (I don't believe TT is that tall) and needs to emerge as a legitimate center. He has athleticism and can rebound the ball but he needs to desperately work on all aspects of his game so we can actually have something resembling an NBA center. He needs to bring more than energy every. He needs to deliver a 10/8 season.
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8/25/2004  2:43 PM
It's odd that while we have many players that are capable, yet we have no idea who our main contributors will be. As the PG, Marbury is all but a given to produce night in and night out.

We have no idea who our #2 guy will be--- it could be Crawford, Houston, TT, or even Sweetney. Heck, even Kurt Thomas could emerge as a deadly mid-range shooter with his healthy pinky. Now that his irregular heartbeat has been repaired, maybe the svelte Vin Baker is still capable of last year's numbers w/ the Celtics. Even Nazr Mohammed can produce double-doubles, given the minutes.
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8/25/2004  2:51 PM
Posted by technomaster:

It's odd that while we have many players that are capable, yet we have no idea who our main contributors will be. As the PG, Marbury is all but a given to produce night in and night out.

We have no idea who our #2 guy will be--- it could be Crawford, Houston, TT, or even Sweetney. Heck, even Kurt Thomas could emerge as a deadly mid-range shooter with his healthy pinky. Now that his irregular heartbeat has been repaired, maybe the svelte Vin Baker is still capable of last year's numbers w/ the Celtics. Even Nazr Mohammed can produce double-doubles, given the minutes.
you think this is a good thing or a bad thing?
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8/25/2004  3:08 PM
remember when teams used to full court pressure us because all we had was mars...not ne more
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8/25/2004  3:09 PM
this team has the potential to really click and hit on all cylinders and challenge for 50 wins. this team can also mesh poorly but at the WORST case, we're looking at a .500 team. i mean, i can't possibly see us being worse or even on par with last year's squad but anything can happen.

i think our hopes for this season is that everyone plays at a high level and that sweets continues to develop. everything else will fall where they fall.

there are many good things being said and done in the offseason, from sweet's development, to aquiring crawford and jyd, to tim's offseason training. i can't remember the last time i was this excited for a knicks season.
which current knick player has to really take there game to the next level

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