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TLover
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7/11/2017  12:30 AM
Of course he could be traded by the time I wake up; but Timmy did say he would love to play with Melo again.. I know he had 71 million reasons to sign but wouldn't he at least inquire about Melo's future during the negotiations.. not to mention he's a friend of Melo's and they work out together.

Melo on the low block at the 4 surrounded by shooters is not bad.

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7/11/2017  12:33 AM
TLover wrote:Of course he could be traded by the time I wake up; but Timmy did say he would love to play with Melo again.. I know he had 71 million reasons to sign but wouldn't he at least inquire about Melo's future during the negotiations.. not to mention he's a friend of Melo's and they work out together.

Melo on the low block at the 4 surrounded by shooters is not bad.

I agree if the Knicks brought in a decent point guard the team would do very well but I think he is gone. Too much stuff out there about him going to Houston.
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7/11/2017  12:40 AM
No he wouldnt inquire about Melo..when we threw all the money at him he was going to sign regardless...lol good try tho
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7/11/2017  1:44 AM
Who could blame him? He is a family man and has to go to Houston to take care of his son.
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7/11/2017  2:21 AM
mlby1215 wrote:Who could blame him? He is a family man and has to go to Houston to take care of his son.

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7/11/2017  8:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2017  8:01 AM
Playoff team that isn't going anywhere with Melo, but I could see them make a run for the playoffs with this roster keeping Melo.
But we're talking 7th/8th seed and a first round exit.

Melo will also take away shots from Hardaway (who they put 71M for) and Porzingis. All 3 players like to play the same type of role. Too many wing/guard type of players who want to hold the ball, make a play, take a jumpshot,

I think Melo sees the writing on the wall. Now that Phil is out of the picture, he seems to feel comfort in moving on. Isn't seeing as the guy who lost the war against Phil. Just moving on, business wise as a NBA pro, makes sense in his career right now to move on.

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7/11/2017  8:11 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:Playoff team that isn't going anywhere with Melo, but I could see them make a run for the playoffs with this roster keeping Melo.
But we're talking 7th/8th seed and a first round exit.

Melo will also take away shots from Hardaway (who they put 71M for) and Porzingis. All 3 players like to play the same type of role. Too many wing/guard type of players who want to hold the ball, make a play, take a jumpshot,

I think Melo sees the writing on the wall. Now that Phil is out of the picture, he seems to feel comfort in moving on. Isn't seeing as the guy who lost the war against Phil. Just moving on, business wise as a NBA pro, makes sense in his career right now to move on.

Exactly. Its time to move on. id rather get a better draft pick than making the playoffs as the 7th/8th seed and getting slaughtered. Plus its time for the young guys to take over and build through them
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7/11/2017  8:26 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:Playoff team that isn't going anywhere with Melo, but I could see them make a run for the playoffs with this roster keeping Melo.
But we're talking 7th/8th seed and a first round exit.

Melo will also take away shots from Hardaway (who they put 71M for) and Porzingis. All 3 players like to play the same type of role. Too many wing/guard type of players who want to hold the ball, make a play, take a jumpshot,

I think Melo sees the writing on the wall. Now that Phil is out of the picture, he seems to feel comfort in moving on. Isn't seeing as the guy who lost the war against Phil. Just moving on, business wise as a NBA pro, makes sense in his career right now to move on.


I think if you force Melo to play hard and smart and make his playing time contingent on it, he will either play well or be unhappy enough to opt out at the end of the season or even waive his NTC during the season. It's an option. If we can get younger players and/or picks without taking back longer contracts right now, I'd do that but I don't want to take back any bad contracts.
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7/11/2017  8:40 AM
It's no longer an option. You can't force Melo to do anything he simply won't do what is necessary. If you want team ball and ball movement then he has to go. I know a lot of people want Melo back bringing him back means more of the same. Broken plays, forced shots, poor defense and overall bad attitude to change. He isn't the good soldier that some make him out to be, he is a selfish player always has been and always will be.
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7/11/2017  8:41 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Playoff team that isn't going anywhere with Melo, but I could see them make a run for the playoffs with this roster keeping Melo.
But we're talking 7th/8th seed and a first round exit.

Melo will also take away shots from Hardaway (who they put 71M for) and Porzingis. All 3 players like to play the same type of role. Too many wing/guard type of players who want to hold the ball, make a play, take a jumpshot,

I think Melo sees the writing on the wall. Now that Phil is out of the picture, he seems to feel comfort in moving on. Isn't seeing as the guy who lost the war against Phil. Just moving on, business wise as a NBA pro, makes sense in his career right now to move on.


I think if you force Melo to play hard and smart and make his playing time contingent on it, he will either play well or be unhappy enough to opt out at the end of the season or even waive his NTC during the season. It's an option. If we can get younger players and/or picks without taking back longer contracts right now, I'd do that but I don't want to take back any bad contracts.
they tried that remember? He talked about being responsible, the scape goat, its all on my shoulders... that doesnt work with Melo. He buddies up with teammates and says yea yea its all me, blame Melo and then he goes on UK and reads JRod's posts. I like the idea also Bonn but it never works with this player.
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7/11/2017  8:47 AM
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Playoff team that isn't going anywhere with Melo, but I could see them make a run for the playoffs with this roster keeping Melo.
But we're talking 7th/8th seed and a first round exit.

Melo will also take away shots from Hardaway (who they put 71M for) and Porzingis. All 3 players like to play the same type of role. Too many wing/guard type of players who want to hold the ball, make a play, take a jumpshot,

I think Melo sees the writing on the wall. Now that Phil is out of the picture, he seems to feel comfort in moving on. Isn't seeing as the guy who lost the war against Phil. Just moving on, business wise as a NBA pro, makes sense in his career right now to move on.


I think if you force Melo to play hard and smart and make his playing time contingent on it, he will either play well or be unhappy enough to opt out at the end of the season or even waive his NTC during the season. It's an option. If we can get younger players and/or picks without taking back longer contracts right now, I'd do that but I don't want to take back any bad contracts.
they tried that remember? He talked about being responsible, the scape goat, its all on my shoulders... that doesnt work with Melo. He buddies up with teammates and says yea yea its all me, blame Melo and then he goes on UK and reads JRod's posts. I like the idea also Bonn but it never works with this player.

I do not remember his playing time ever being contingent on him playing right.
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7/11/2017  8:53 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Playoff team that isn't going anywhere with Melo, but I could see them make a run for the playoffs with this roster keeping Melo.
But we're talking 7th/8th seed and a first round exit.

Melo will also take away shots from Hardaway (who they put 71M for) and Porzingis. All 3 players like to play the same type of role. Too many wing/guard type of players who want to hold the ball, make a play, take a jumpshot,

I think Melo sees the writing on the wall. Now that Phil is out of the picture, he seems to feel comfort in moving on. Isn't seeing as the guy who lost the war against Phil. Just moving on, business wise as a NBA pro, makes sense in his career right now to move on.


I think if you force Melo to play hard and smart and make his playing time contingent on it, he will either play well or be unhappy enough to opt out at the end of the season or even waive his NTC during the season. It's an option. If we can get younger players and/or picks without taking back longer contracts right now, I'd do that but I don't want to take back any bad contracts.

You want Melo to exercise his buy out he won't do it if you give him playing time. Only way is to make him come off the bench and use him sparingly. Be prepared though for a big time disgruntled attitude. The negative mind molding and sabotaging of plays.

The reason to move Melo is to get something before you get nothing.

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7/11/2017  9:11 AM
mlby1215 wrote:Who could blame him? He is a family man and has to go to Houston to take care of his son.

LOL

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7/11/2017  9:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2017  9:14 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
TLover wrote:Of course he could be traded by the time I wake up; but Timmy did say he would love to play with Melo again.. I know he had 71 million reasons to sign but wouldn't he at least inquire about Melo's future during the negotiations.. not to mention he's a friend of Melo's and they work out together.

Melo on the low block at the 4 surrounded by shooters is not bad.

I agree if the Knicks brought in a decent point guard the team would do very well but I think he is gone. Too much stuff out there about him going to Houston.

There's two sides of the ball.

Even with a decent point guard you would have Timmy/Melo/WHG making up 60% of the starting line up. Recipe for worst defense in the league. And thats assuming the Knicks future PG will be at least decent at defense otherwise you are planning for 80% of your starting line up as bad defenders.

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7/11/2017  9:27 AM
Sinix wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
TLover wrote:Of course he could be traded by the time I wake up; but Timmy did say he would love to play with Melo again.. I know he had 71 million reasons to sign but wouldn't he at least inquire about Melo's future during the negotiations.. not to mention he's a friend of Melo's and they work out together.

Melo on the low block at the 4 surrounded by shooters is not bad.

I agree if the Knicks brought in a decent point guard the team would do very well but I think he is gone. Too much stuff out there about him going to Houston.

There's two sides of the ball.

Even with a decent point guard you would have Timmy/Melo/WHG making up 60% of the starting line up. Recipe for worst defense in the league. And thats assuming the Knicks future PG will be at least decent at defense otherwise you are planning for 80% of your starting line up as bad defenders.

That isn't quite true. Hardaway is much improved on defense. WH is a rookie and will improve he was going through a acclimation to the NBA. Lee is supposedly a good defender and Prozingis is an okay defender who should be much better. With that said Melo is the worst defender only Rose was worse.

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7/11/2017  9:43 AM
Sinix wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
TLover wrote:Of course he could be traded by the time I wake up; but Timmy did say he would love to play with Melo again.. I know he had 71 million reasons to sign but wouldn't he at least inquire about Melo's future during the negotiations.. not to mention he's a friend of Melo's and they work out together.

Melo on the low block at the 4 surrounded by shooters is not bad.

I agree if the Knicks brought in a decent point guard the team would do very well but I think he is gone. Too much stuff out there about him going to Houston.

There's two sides of the ball.

Even with a decent point guard you would have Timmy/Melo/WHG making up 60% of the starting line up. Recipe for worst defense in the league. And thats assuming the Knicks future PG will be at least decent at defense otherwise you are planning for 80% of your starting line up as bad defenders.

LOL. 60% of what you write is 80% made up. The other half stinks.
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7/11/2017  10:07 AM
what does the THJ signing say about mills and phill?
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7/11/2017  10:14 AM
knicks1248 wrote:what does the THJ signing say about mills and phill?

Phil is long gone and Mills is actually thinking long-term. That's what it looks like. We'll have to see what else happens.

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7/11/2017  10:16 AM
TLover wrote:Of course he could be traded by the time I wake up; but Timmy did say he would love to play with Melo again.. I know he had 71 million reasons to sign but wouldn't he at least inquire about Melo's future during the negotiations.. not to mention he's a friend of Melo's and they work out together.

Melo on the low block at the 4 surrounded by shooters is not bad.

What is Timmy supposed to say when asked if he would want to play with Melo?

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7/11/2017  10:24 AM
Melo got THJr traded.... seemed like a good trade at the time too but Grant turned out to be a bust. Anyway, Hardaway us a headstrong person. He's not going to back down. Hardaway was taking Melos shots. Melo wants the ball even if you are open. That's what they beefed about. Hardaway was like well i can score too... plus he was getting singled out for his defense but Melo doesn't play any defense especially at the time. That's the whole story in a nutshell.

He's back because he's our guy. I don't think everyone at msg wanted him gone. Anyway 16-17 million isn't that bad considering a few mediocre guys got Melo money... some cases more.

Anyway guys keep talking about Melos leverage... I bet this trade us being held up because of the Knicks demands. We don't want Ryan Anderson so Houston and Melos people have to work that out if he wants to go to Houston. Melo has that no trade clause but the Knicks don't have to accept a trade.... and now we resigned THJr... that's got to be annoying for Melo. At this point as well, the Knicks could very well bench Melo if he thinks he can come back and dictate the locker room, coaching staff and management. This days are done in my. So the Knicks have just as much leverage

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