According to Begley, Knicks signed THj with having Tim and Courtney to play together.
We play smaller at the perimeter next year having CLee, Tim and Frank all out there as a 3-2-1.

CLee would be a big upgrade coming off the bench. One of our big weaknesses last year was lack of a bench. Holiday was probably our best wing off the bench. A second unit backcourt of CLee/Baker is bringing two of last year's starters (to close off the season) off the bench.

Major question right now is who starts at 3 if Melo is traded.

Not talented enough to make the playoffs(even in the east...) and not bad enough to put themselves in position to draft a game changer.

What the hell was the point of getting rid of Phil?

nyknickzingis wrote:

Sinix wrote:This helps put the Knicks in the worst position in the NBA.

Not talented enough to make the playoffs(even in the east...) and not bad enough to put themselves in position to draft a game changer.

What the hell was the point of getting rid of Phil?

I think the reason they detached from Phil was the strained relationship with Melo and KP.
Before the Phil exit, Melo's camp was aiming for a buy out. I think it was a game of chickem and Melo simply wanted to one up Phil. With Phil gone, Melo is now cooperating.
Then KP, well, we all know what Phil was doing regarding KP. Put him on the trade block to teach a lesson.

I don't think there's any big thinking or planning strategy change with Phil gone. They simply wanted better relationships - business relationships with their top 2 stars. Melo and KP. It's a player's league.

Terrible job by the Knicks. They've set the franchise back years by trying to go into this quasi competing mode.

You know who had good relationships around the league and used them for the Knicks. Isiah Thomas. This team has an Isiah feel all over it.

This is not like spending on veteran stars on decline. We are investing heavily in young players on the rise, which is what we should have been doing for years. I see some differences.

nyknickzingis wrote:I will give them one compliment.
So far, they've only been willing to go after young players.
If they really wanted to compete in the win now mode, they would have kept Melo.
I think they want to do both be competitive and re-build around a young core of players. Right now that core is Willy, KP, Hardaway and Ntilkina.

This is not like spending on veteran stars on decline. We are investing heavily in young players on the rise, which is what we should have been doing for years. I see some differences.

Isiah Thomas spent on young talent as well. Young talent ain't the holy grail.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I will give them one compliment.
So far, they've only been willing to go after young players.
If they really wanted to compete in the win now mode, they would have kept Melo.
I think they want to do both be competitive and re-build around a young core of players. Right now that core is Willy, KP, Hardaway and Ntilkina.

This is not like spending on veteran stars on decline. We are investing heavily in young players on the rise, which is what we should have been doing for years. I see some differences.

Isiah Thomas spent on young talent as well. Young talent ain't the holy grail.

There's nothing similar about their method of evaluation or their backgrounds though. Mills is a intellectual guy who favors a metrics approach. He was a successful businessman and NBA executive. Isiah - I'm not sure how he was evaluating players and he wasn't successful at anything after his playing career.

I'm not so sure Isiah isn't pulling strings currently. Mills is a spineless jellyfish and a yes man to Dolan.

I don't know what you mean by metrics because the build of this team is not pretty.

Like it was said earlier in the topic, Knicks aren't good enough to make the 8 seed in an epicly awful eastern conference and they won't be bad enough to draft a meaningful young player a year from now. Basically the worst position you could be in.

Sinix wrote:This helps put the Knicks in the worst position in the NBA.

Not talented enough to make the playoffs(even in the east...) and not bad enough to put themselves in position to draft a game changer.

What the hell was the point of getting rid of Phil?

Yes this our comfort zone. Can't win and won't rebuild. Same old Knicks.
We are good at sucking - we've been doing it successfully for two decades now.
Sucks tho be a fan and watch this train wreck repeat itself.

Sinix wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I will give them one compliment.
So far, they've only been willing to go after young players.
If they really wanted to compete in the win now mode, they would have kept Melo.
I think they want to do both be competitive and re-build around a young core of players. Right now that core is Willy, KP, Hardaway and Ntilkina.

This is not like spending on veteran stars on decline. We are investing heavily in young players on the rise, which is what we should have been doing for years. I see some differences.

Isiah Thomas spent on young talent as well. Young talent ain't the holy grail.

Its not when you ridiculously overpay. Young players like Crowder for 6 million a year, thats how you win. The Knicks don't get, never will.

Sinix wrote:This helps put the Knicks in the worst position in the NBA.

Not talented enough to make the playoffs(even in the east...) and not bad enough to put themselves in position to draft a game changer.

What the hell was the point of getting rid of Phil?

Phil and the triangle was the butt if all jokes towards the Knicks. The media especially ESPN and the daily news we're having fieldays everyday talking about this. I think the straw that broke the camel's back was the NBA award show. Everybody was cracking jokes, Even Drake. So I think Phil had to step down for that particular reason. Now we don't have to talk about Phil and the triangle everyone can just focus on the Knicks themselves.

As far as Lee, Phil said he wanted to get more players like Lee. So Lee is our standard... Hes what we want our players to be. Were still following Phil's blueprint. The next 2 years are going to be so important continuing thus trend