Anyway it's not science. You establish a culture but holding tight to a belief and having a standard. I believe the Knicks need to close their doors and build from their already rich history. Let Mills be the gm... Let Hornacek coach. Allan Houston has been grooming... their are other people... Jerry West is a consultant. They tried to make Phil that guy via the presidency... but people hate him... maybe they look to other greats that only nyc hold dear. Once a knick always a knick. That's our culture.

I dont think those are strong starting points for leadership. They need an example with experience. Ujiri is certainly that type

EnySpree wrote:

fishmike wrote:you cant establish culture without leadership. Right now that leadership is 1) Dolan and 2) Steve Mills

I dont think those are strong starting points for leadership. They need an example with experience. Ujiri is certainly that type

Ujiri started from somewhere... the Knicks have 15 years of getting it wrong. The best teacher in life is failure. All this time, we should know what not to do by now.... its time to close those doors and control their own destiny

fishmike wrote:you cant establish culture without leadership. Right now that leadership is 1) Dolan and 2) Steve Mills

I dont think those are strong starting points for leadership. They need an example with experience. Ujiri is certainly that type

Ujiri isn't that good he has major faults. He spent money on Serge Ibaka and all he had to do was keep Biyambo for less. He took Toronto's toughness away that Biyambo gave. He fell for the big name. I don't think to much of Ujiri. NY media would run him out of town in 2 years.

Whatever you get comes with a 2-3 year expiration date. No matter who it is.

Chandler wrote:
Does anyone remember the name of the Knicks guy -- to my knowledge still in house -- who had connections to Denver and is supposedly well regardard. Mark T-something-sounding-Armenian, if I recall?

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:you cant establish culture without leadership. Right now that leadership is 1) Dolan and 2) Steve Mills

I dont think those are strong starting points for leadership. They need an example with experience. Ujiri is certainly that type

Ujiri isn't that good he has major faults. He spent money on Serge Ibaka and all he had to do was keep Biyambo for less. He took Toronto's toughness away that Biyambo gave. He fell for the big name. I don't think to much of Ujiri. NY media would run him out of town in 2 years.

Whatever you get comes with a 2-3 year expiration date. No matter who it is.

i think there is a difference with making a mistake that cost the franchise years down the road or making a mistake and not destroying the team. ujiri made mistakes in Toronto and Denver but it wasn't monumental like the layden, Thomas or even Jackson mistakes that could cost us for years such as giving up picks, signing aging players to multi-year contracts and continuing the coaching carousel that set the franchise back each time.

jazz74 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:you cant establish culture without leadership. Right now that leadership is 1) Dolan and 2) Steve Mills

I dont think those are strong starting points for leadership. They need an example with experience. Ujiri is certainly that type

Ujiri isn't that good he has major faults. He spent money on Serge Ibaka and all he had to do was keep Biyambo for less. He took Toronto's toughness away that Biyambo gave. He fell for the big name. I don't think to much of Ujiri. NY media would run him out of town in 2 years.

Whatever you get comes with a 2-3 year expiration date. No matter who it is.

i think there is a difference with making a mistake that cost the franchise years down the road or making a mistake and not destroying the team. ujiri made mistakes in Toronto and Denver but it wasn't monumental like the layden, Thomas or even Jackson mistakes that could cost us for years such as giving up picks, signing aging players to multi-year contracts and continuing the coaching carousel that set the franchise back each time.

That is a mistake a mistake is a mistake. Just like Doc Rivers who out family ahead of the franchise.

djsunyc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:you cant establish culture without leadership. Right now that leadership is 1) Dolan and 2) Steve Mills

I dont think those are strong starting points for leadership. They need an example with experience. Ujiri is certainly that type

Ujiri isn't that good he has major faults. He spent money on Serge Ibaka and all he had to do was keep Biyambo for less. He took Toronto's toughness away that Biyambo gave. He fell for the big name. I don't think to much of Ujiri. NY media would run him out of town in 2 years.

Whatever you get comes with a 2-3 year expiration date. No matter who it is.

not here to defend ujiri or convince you otherwise but just want to get the facts right. biyombo was signed as a FA on a 1 and 1 for $3 mil. after his first year with us, we could not offer more than the MLE. he wanted to stay in toronto but orlando offered him an obscene # and he left. ujiri couldn't keep biyombo without removing better players and making the team worse - effectively gutting the team for what is really a backup center.

so he didn't fall for the big name.

as for ibaka - we needed a starting PF and almost had him on draft night until orlando came in with a better offer. we still managed to get him giving up ross + late 1st.

now for my op-ed: as for taking away the toughness - this season, the team would've made the ecf's if not in the cavs bracket and the cavs series probably goes 6, just like last year if lowry didn't miss games 3 and 4. losing biyombo did not hurt the team in any way.

Now Lowry has his foot out the door. All these moves and you are no closer to the destination. Besides getting Ujiri comes with giving compensation and Knicks are in no position to do stupid shyt like that. He comes for free ok compensation he can hit the bricks.

Anyone internal is going to be Dolan's bitch boy.

If it's someone internal it's likely going to be Isiah.