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I think Jeff can be really good. He needs young guards which we should have. He needs guys to to buy in and not be catered to. We know of whom I speak. I would be very comfortable turning a young team over to JH and simply saying do the best with what you got.

Phil didn't stick Jeff with players he can't work with. If you look at the kids Phil drafted and signed as UDFA's they are Multi Skilled 2Way players. Guys that can actually Shoot the ball. I look forward to seeing this team. Also don't forget that much of Jeff's stuff wasn't that different from Triangle. This idea that a player who fits the Triangle is somehow a bad player for other styles is ridiculous.

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I think Jeff can be really good. He needs young guards which we should have. He needs guys to to buy in and not be catered to. We know of whom I speak. I would be very comfortable turning a young team over to JH and simply saying do the best with what you got.

That might be what happens if Mills is kept in place for awhile.

when he took over from glenn right before phil came in, what exactly did he accomplish? I really can't remember much of anything he did.

I seriously doubt that. Players always fit into a system that the coach runs. OTherwise what is the point? Why play them?

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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:So if players refuse to run what he wants is he saying, it wont matter?

I seriously doubt that. Players always fit into a system that the coach runs. OTherwise what is the point? Why play them?

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So basically what he was doing for most of last season.

At this time in the wake of the Jackson firing, Hornacek saying they will blend things from last year with new things is probably the right thing to say without taking any subtle digs at Phil.

Hornacek now has no incentive to blend in elements from the Triangle. I don't see them running it at all.

I think Hornachek learned some things with that and is probably a better coach for it. He isn't just the same Suns guy who ran many 1-4 sets and things like that. He knows more now. So why just abandon everything and revert?

A smart coach wouldn't marry himself to anything in this position. See what roster they have to work with, and put a number of things into play. One thing that definitely will be there is a secondary breaking offense. Quick early offense. That gets you some more shots up and more points. Then we'll see what amount of Triangle they will run.

To be honest, I don't see why KP will love this. Not that he is the guy that can be making these decisions, but his point has been either run the Triangle properly or some other system and commit to it completely. Hornachek does a few different things. To be honest, it comes down to talent in my opinion. Last year's team could score 106 points a night when they were running the hybrid of Triangle and 1-4 offense, and early offense. But they gave up 110-112. They couldn't make stops.

To win in this league when you have a guy like Hornachek coaching, you either need great talent like Warriors or Cavs have or great defense. The Knicks honestly have neither. So we can talk about system and all that crap all day. No what we ran last year we couldn't get enough stops or wins on a consistent basis. It will be the same case this coming year unless we massively upgrade our talent on offense or/and massively upgrade our perimeter defense. Ntilikna is not enough of an upgrade on the perimeter. We need active, athletic perimeter defenders at atleast 3 positions.

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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:So if players refuse to run what he wants is he saying, it wont matter?

I seriously doubt that. Players always fit into a system that the coach runs. OTherwise what is the point? Why play them?

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So basically what he was doing for most of last season.

At this time in the wake of the Jackson firing, Hornacek saying they will blend things from last year with new things is probably the right thing to say without taking any subtle digs at Phil.

Hornacek now has no incentive to blend in elements from the Triangle. I don't see them running it at all.

Well I think Jeff is smart enough to know if there's value in using some Triangle or not. By the way GSW's use some of the Triangle like Dribble Hand Offs, Pin Down Screens and Cuts but just don't use the Low Post aspects. This dumbass notion that Jeff can't work in some of the best parts of the Triangle is absurd.

The best part of the triangle is simply attributed to good basketball as opposed to the triangle itself. You're giving the system too much credit.

Not giving it too much credit. Giving the Triangle it's due!!! First off The Triangle has been around so long that IT IS fundamental basketball. The entire SYSTEM is more than just the Side Triangle! Every aspect of it has been crafted to address answers to evolving defensive techniques over decades. It's never a finished product because defenses and players keep evolving. Sam Barry then Tex kept improving it as did Phil. Pop and now Kerr have taken some of the concepts and improved on them as well

GSW run the fewest PnR in the NBA. What they run is VERY similar to Triangle concepts which also don't rely on PnR! It's not just GOOD BASKETBALL cuz most NBA teams don't run Actions in the same way as GSW or in the Triangle.

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By Al Iannazzone al.iannazzone@newsday.com

ORLANDO, Fla. — Jeff Hornacek said he texted Carmelo Anthony after Phil Jackson’s presidency ended on Wednesday. But Hornacek paused a few seconds when he was asked if he wanted Anthony on the roster next season, and he never said yes.

“Carmelo’s a great player,” Hornacek said Thursday. “The guy can really score the ball. So that’s management decisions and us coaches, we coach who they give us.”

Jackson’s departure doesn’t mean the Knicks won’t still try to move Anthony, who has a no-trade clause in his contract. His future as a Knick remains a major question heading into the busy part of the offseason.

Free agency begins at 12:01 a.m. Saturday, and the Knicks’ plans have changed now that Jackson is no longer calling the shots. The change is the kind of players they will pursue.

Last season, Hornacek said the Knicks would be looking for players that fit the system, which was the triangle offense. That’s not the case anymore, Hornacek said after summer league practice Thursday. Hornacek said he spoke to Madison Square Garden executive chairman James Dolan and general manager Steve Mills and they’re “all on the same page.”

“I don’t think you necessarily need to look at, 'Does a guy fit this system or that system?' ” Hornacek said. “It’s, ‘Can this guy play ball? Can we mold him into what we want to do?’ ”

It’s certainly a change in philosophy from the last three years when Jackson continually went after players to fit his system rather than play one that fits the personnel. Hornacek made it sound as if the Knicks are going the more conventional and popular route now.

“We’re always trying to figure out what’s best for our players,” Hornacek said. “We don’t even know what the roster is going to end up looking like. We have some ideas. But all of that will come together later in the summer.”

Hornacek said he isn’t totally abandoning the triangle. He said most teams, including the Warriors and Spurs, use triangle aspects or options. But he plans to blend in more pick-and-rolls, play more up-tempo, and try to space the floor more.

That’s what worked for Hornacek when he coached in Phoenix. The Suns played small, fast, ran pick-and-rolls and shot a high volume of three-pointers.

“We’re going to work on different things and add things, find an offense that fits,” Hornacek said. “We’re going to do a lot of things from last year, some new things and we’ll blend it. Maybe it gives us some more space.”

Last season, Hornacek tried to “blend” offenses, but by February Jackson made him go all-in on the triangle. Jackson even gave a triangle clinic to the guards.

Hornacek said he didn’t feel confined running a system he’s never played in or coached. Yet he did say he believed free agents would look at the Knicks differently since they’re not going to be sold on playing the triangle.

“I would think so,” Hornacek said. “Golden State, San Antonio had portions of it. Every team. When you look at the triangle and you look at what it could do there’s a lot of options and there’s a lot you can do. You can take pieces of it. You can spread it out. You can do all kinds of things. I don’t think that should be an issue.”

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-no-longer-looking-for-players-to-fit-a-system-1.13773325

More P&R Nix! Thats one thing Jeff wasn't allowed to run with any frequency. I wont go into convulsions if I see the Triangle occasionally. The Triangle wont be the first and last thing on this franchise's agenda anymore, hallelujah!