PHIL WAS A KNICK!!! For ME, he get's a pass on a lot of his mistakes unlike those who weren't Knicks. Sound minded people don't do things to hurt their family!!! HOPE SOME OF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT!!

Firing Phil doesn't feel good to me!! I remember the day when Scotty, Isiah, 'Daddy Walsh' and 'Jungle Dan' all departed. I jump for joy for those departure as Spike is doing now. I'M NOT JUMPING NOW!!
In the fore mention Presidents I can only think of one good move/trade done by all of them. Isiah trading for Zach Randolph.

Something doesn't seem right about it. Maybe it the timing just before free agency. Maybe it what would the new President have done differently in this pass draft? Maybe it how will he handle the Melo situation? What about the triangle offense? What about Hornack as coach and running the triangle? What now happen to the scouts for the Knicks? Especially Gaines??

Phil to me had a vision and somethings work and somethings didn't. There are two things that Phil did trouble and two that somewhat trouble me because I think the jury is still out on them.
TROUBLE WITH:
1. The firing of Coach Woodson.
2. Signing Melo to a new contract.

SOMEWHAT TROUBLING:
1. Signing Noah. In theory I can see what Phil was trying to do. It a gamble that is just a year old and may or may not work. He was in his 30's. Lets hope it does!!
2. Signing Rose. What bother me Rose playing Good(Which I thought he did) and paying him a big contract. I was not for that so signing Rose to something the Knicks and Rose could live with was important.
THAT IS STILL POSSIBLE.

Dolan gave those other Presidents a lot longer to destory the Knicks than he gave Phil. I don't see from the mistakes he made firing him. What GM/President has turned another a team in 3 years???
PHIL if I'm correct haven't trade away any draft pick.
Phil is bring in drafting young talent and signing young adult in there early to mid 20's.

We can't win with Melo, period. I saw that when we trade for him. Not sure why Phil never saw that but it came to him to late.

Any thoughts of keeping Melo by the new President. I'm not for it. ARE WE REBUILDING WITH SAME BLUEPRINT THAT WAS PHIL??

MY FINAL QUESTION IS THIS FOR ALL THAT AGREE WITH THE FIRING.
WHO ARE YOU GOING TO HIRE THAT WHEN YOU CUT THEIR WAIST THEY BRED 'BLUE AND ORANGE'???(go back to the whole 2nd line is this topic).

For all the legitimate criticisms against Phil, I think this is a big mistake.

Melo and KP have huge bulls eyes on them now. In addition, when Phil left so did any semblance of a vision or plan

We now have Dolan and Mills captaining the Titanic

Chandler wrote:I too am in the dumps

For all the legitimate criticisms against Phil, I think this is a big mistake.

Melo and KP have huge bulls eyes on them now. In addition, when Phil left so did any semblance of a vision or plan

We now have Dolan and Mills captaining the Titanic

What was the plan? Build through youth only to panic and trade for Rose and sign Noah to a mega deal only to hit the reset button while giving me nightmare's of triangles?

dacash wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Chandler wrote:I too am in the dumps

For all the legitimate criticisms against Phil, I think this is a big mistake.

Melo and KP have huge bulls eyes on them now. In addition, when Phil left so did any semblance of a vision or plan

We now have Dolan and Mills captaining the Titanic

What was the plan? Build through youth only to panic and trade for Rose and sign Noah to a mega deal only to hit the reset button while giving me nightmare's of triangles?

build thru youth but because of melo try and atleast be playoff bound. he never traded our draft picks that most others used to get over the hill players;he just signed them outright lol. he kept the draft picks atleast and drafted well.

nixluva wrote:Phil has already left his imprint on the franchise. KP Willy Nitty Dotson etc. Young Core players and a bunch of quality UDFA's. A new GM is being left with a better situation than Phil had when he took over. Much easier to build on this foundation.

what are the odds that all but KP gets traded within Tyne next 18 months along with future picks?

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:Phil has already left his imprint on the franchise. KP Willy Nitty Dotson etc. Young Core players and a bunch of quality UDFA's. A new GM is being left with a better situation than Phil had when he took over. Much easier to build on this foundation.

what are the odds that all but KP gets traded within Tyne next 18 months along with future picks?

Are you talking about for free agents like Teague? Dolan stopped the trading of first rounders when the Knicks didn't trade for Lowry. I do think some of the udfas from last year might be let go.

Vmart wrote:I agree the plan probably gets lost somewhere. The next GM starts his rebuild and team he gets canned and the next and the next and the next. The biggest problem with the Knicks is they don't have tuff skin. They cave in to the situation all the time.

Basically they have caved in to this one stinking dimbass 4 different times now. Trade with Dencer, MDA firing, Walsh firing and now Phil. And we have a precious second round exit tho show for it.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Vmart wrote:I agree the plan probably gets lost somewhere. The next GM starts his rebuild and team he gets canned and the next and the next and the next. The biggest problem with the Knicks is they don't have tuff skin. They cave in to the situation all the time.

Basically they have caved in to this one stinking dimbass 4 different times now. Trade with Dencer, MDA firing, Walsh firing and now Phil. And we have a precious second round exit tho show for it.

Dolan has assured that there's nothing we can do about this dynamic. The Players won. Now all we can do is be glad that Phil at least was able to bring in some young talent and any new GM will have a MUCH easier time building this team from here. This is not a bad situation Phil left the franchise in. Some quality young talent, all our picks, some cap space and some tradeable vets.

Chandler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Vmart wrote:I agree the plan probably gets lost somewhere. The next GM starts his rebuild and team he gets canned and the next and the next and the next. The biggest problem with the Knicks is they don't have tuff skin. They cave in to the situation all the time.

Basically they have caved in to this one stinking dimbass 4 different times now. Trade with Dencer, MDA firing, Walsh firing and now Phil. And we have a precious second round exit tho show for it.

Dolan has assured that there's nothing we can do about this dynamic. The Players won. Now all we can do is be glad that Phil at least was able to bring in some young talent and any new GM will have a MUCH easier time building this team from here. This is not a bad situation Phil left the franchise in. Some quality young talent, all our picks, some cap space and some tradeable vets.

I don't understand the bold at all. The kooks are running the asylum -- and not just here

We have some quality young talent IF (BIG IF) we commit to a team-oriented style of movement and passing. But guess what the kooks don't want that. Too much work, too much sacrifice

He means structurally Phil has left the Knicks with pieces to work with that aren't bad at all. There's a level of flexibility now to make moves Phil did not have when he came into the job.

But on the other equation you have the swamp. James Dolan promising he'll get out of the way then he goes over your head. Players like Melo who won't play defense or pass the ball - this is your on court leader that your other players will take queues from.

This is the type of situation that will probably go well for a few months into the season and then fall apart because there is no firm backbone to upper management anymore.