newyorknewyork wrote:Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:But we would have to pay that stretched out money forever. We can sign Drue without that with our 19mil in cap and movable pieces like Kuz, KOQ, Lance, Lee.
20 million for 5 years stretched is 4million a year! We still need other players with our cap space!!!!
YOU BUY OUT AT A DISCOUNT!! MELO GETS PAID BY CLIPPERS. IT MAKES MELO WHOLE!!
That's not to bad. But..
When Walsh traded Hill future lotto pick and Jeffries in order to dump his contract to get,in on,the 2 star superstar sweepstakes. He should have just kept Jeffries kept the picks and look to use that space the following FA.
When we struck out in FA and then settled for signing Amare to 100mil rather then waiting for the next FA and or using the cap space in a wiser manner. Collecting more assets and not overpaying players by 40mil there market value.
When we had Billups expiring contract. And an amnesty in the wings. Instead of Amnestying Billups. We could have waited one more season. Let Billups Melo Amare play one more season. Then let Billups walk, and use the amnesty on Amare after solidyinghe couldn't stay healthy. Freeing up 40mil between them to retool around a prime Melo.
The common theme. We should wait one more season. Maybe Melo opt out next summer which is highly likely. As he tries to secure his last long term deal. Unless you are a contender FA isn't worth the gum underneath your shoe.
Now if we have a plan where we do this. Then use that cap space to collect picks from Portland and Utah by eating a contract or 2. Then move some of those picks around for future picks and or to move up in the draft. Building up our assets then maybe.
Billips came with Melo in Amare's first season. We didn't know what you know about Amare now.
We doubled down and got TheraFlue Tyson just fresh from DPOY and thought to have in prime Front line!!! It was brilliant actually. It didn't work, but it was a hell of an idea.
So was MCDyess BTW. Great Idea! It was Dices good knee that blew out!!!!!!
Hindsight makes us real smart and predictors of the future.
Personally, I could care either way about Melo staying or going. Im not that hell bent on getting rid of him but the fact is if we can't trade him, buying him out gives us financial freedom to sign a free agent, or two and deepen this team.
Also it moves the damn ball!!!!
I like Melo and really thought when signed with Phil he bought into the culture.
Nalod, we saw the Amare situation coming a mile away. No 2 miles away and we are just fans. He couldnt get insurance on his contract. Its not hindsight and is something Knicks management should have been fully prepared for since they are indeed paid to do just that.
Dice trade wasn't brilliant at all. Dice should have been moved for Camby straight up or no deal. No way was he worth a lotto pick and Camby after missing an entire year. Camby and lotto pick was worth a healthy all star. Or Canby should have been moved for a 2nd lotto pick.
Said the same things about both moves at the time they happend and again im just a fan. Even if those moves worked out it would have been due to luck and not due to real value.
Suns offered Amare a 3 year deal as it was thought thats how long he could held up. Pretty good guess actually.
Now we all saw the 5 year contract was insane I agree. Even 4. For three, he stays. Nalod don't like the Amare deal, but Amare was kicking arse his first year, we got melo, and turned a crumbling Billups into a still really good Tyson at that moment in time going into Amare's second season. on paper a darn good front line. Missing, guards and a bench. But whose to nit pick? LOL
As for Dice, you have to put yourself in that moment in time. We had the 7th pick which was Nene and in hindsight we should have kept him. Better yet, Draft Staudamire!!!! BUt at that moment in time Stat was a high school kid with an awful family situation. Redue that draft, he goes 1st!!!! Camby was lame as a knick. He was fragile both physically and I think mentally. Dude was soft. Then he goes on playing until he nearly 40 years old!!!!
Dice leg was totally healed. In preseason he was amazing. SHould he been playing as much? Well, after he blows his knee in a put back dunk, of course not. But hindsight is brilliant.
The point is, and this is a big one, the concept was brilliant, the outcome was awful!!! He blew his good leg, not the repaired one. It was cruel.
Sometimes you can't control the outcome. It was to be Dolan's first of many starphuch trades. Does a neophyte like Layden get to make that big ass deal and big ass Dice contract? Not in my book with out the owner yelling "Get me a star"!!!!
With Amare, he had a three year shelf life and he crawled to year three. Not so great a concept and we should not have done that. I blame Dolan on that, not Walsh. Walsh did not have the juice to sign a 100 million deal not insured. Thats the owners decision. Yes, we all saw that coming but Amare was great his first year playing at a very high level at that moment. Not an excuse, just that I don't see how we even come close to amnesty a guy after one year on his deal.
