I could be wrong, but something tells me this roster will be predominately the same. Everyone's value definitely took a hit, except for willy, and Lee.

I would keep everyone except rose, unless they primarily moving him to the 2g, and since he doesn't shoot 3's I really don't want him back

Phil doesn't seem like he's trading younger players tho some trades are likely. Unless you're talking KP then any possible trade of a player not named Melo is going to be a small deal. This isn't really a big deal since the Knicks are going to have a roster full of 20 something talent next year. They know this will take time.

Unless you're only satisfied if the Knicks add proven vets this summer and trades the kids then you're probably going to be unhappy. With 3 picks in this draft and maybe a trade for another 1st this is going to be a youth driven team with a few older vets mixed in.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:The problem is we're talking about Rookies and 2nd year players who have yet to reach their pre peak much less peak level as players. This kind of impatience is detrimental to evaluation of a team. We had 5 Rookies at the start and 6 at the end of the season.

Phil doesn't seem like he's trading younger players tho some trades are likely. Unless you're talking KP then any possible trade of a player not named Melo is going to be a small deal. This isn't really a big deal since the Knicks are going to have a roster full of 20 something talent next year. They know this will take time.

Unless you're only satisfied if the Knicks add proven vets this summer and trades the kids then you're probably going to be unhappy. With 3 picks in this draft and maybe a trade for another 1st this is going to be a youth driven team with a few older vets mixed in.

We have 2 young players, willy and KP, everyone one else is in there mid to upper 20's. Holiday, kuz, lance, rose, are all in their late 20's baker and randle will be 25 yrs old..I know that's young for non athletes, but it's prime time for athelete's.

basically the knicks so call youngsters are really not that young. If we keep the two 2nd round picks, chances are they will be in the d league next season.

Dude we're drafting 3 players this summer! The whole team doesn't have to be 20 in order for the team to be a young team overall. Guys playing starters minutes the next few years are going to be young. The Spurs Johnathon Simmons is 27 and role players like him often have to toil for years to get to a good level. Knicks UDFA's would be in the same boat. The timing would be just right for when our youngest most talented players really put it together.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Maybe Lee or Willy, but even a good deal for them could have them playing elsewhere..

I could be wrong, but something tells me this roster will be predominately the same. Everyone's value definitely took a hit, except for willy, and Lee.

I would keep everyone except rose, unless they primarily moving him to the 2g, and since he doesn't shoot 3's I really don't want him back

the bold. On all of it

we'll see , just like you stated the knicks sent longstaff to be with KP..your certainly batting a 1000 these days.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:The problem is we're talking about Rookies and 2nd year players who have yet to reach their pre peak much less peak level as players. This kind of impatience is detrimental to evaluation of a team. We had 5 Rookies at the start and 6 at the end of the season.

Phil doesn't seem like he's trading younger players tho some trades are likely. Unless you're talking KP then any possible trade of a player not named Melo is going to be a small deal. This isn't really a big deal since the Knicks are going to have a roster full of 20 something talent next year. They know this will take time.

Unless you're only satisfied if the Knicks add proven vets this summer and trades the kids then you're probably going to be unhappy. With 3 picks in this draft and maybe a trade for another 1st this is going to be a youth driven team with a few older vets mixed in.

We have 2 young players, willy and KP, everyone one else is in there mid to upper 20's. Holiday, kuz, lance, rose, are all in their late 20's baker and randle will be 25 yrs old..I know that's young for non athletes, but it's prime time for athelete's.

basically the knicks so call youngsters are really not that young. If we keep the two 2nd round picks, chances are they will be in the d league next season.

Dude we're drafting 3 players this summer! The whole team doesn't have to be 20 in order for the team to be a young team overall. Guys playing starters minutes the next few years are going to be young. The Spurs Johnathon Simmons is 27 and role players like him often have to toil for years to get to a good level. Knicks UDFA's would be in the same boat. The timing would be just right for when our youngest most talented players really put it together.

Im not expecting a single thing from any draft picks unless we move up into the top 5.

I just looked at the last 15 yrs of 2nd round picks, less than 10% actually make a NBA team, usually 1 player in the 2nd round turns out to be a gilbert arenas, drey green, kerilinko type..thats 1 out of 30.

think im lying, go look for yourself

You're using statistical averages which is fine if you want to use that but it really doesn't mean that the Knicks won't do a BETTER than average job of selecting talent. Besides it's all part of a process of bringing in talent and seeing who pans out. Then you keep doing this until you have the best team you can build.

GS did this and they started with drafted players. The Knicks are doing the same thing. Steph #7 2009! Klay #11 in 2011 and Draymond #35 in 2012. Other players added to build out the team and then becoming a premium destination for Free Agents. They didn't just magically arrive at this stage.

Knicks haven't established that culture and triangle philosophy Phil envisions so he should make moves to get there. Melo's been impeding the way big time. He's gotta go first and foremost.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:The problem is we're talking about Rookies and 2nd year players who have yet to reach their pre peak much less peak level as players. This kind of impatience is detrimental to evaluation of a team. We had 5 Rookies at the start and 6 at the end of the season.

Phil doesn't seem like he's trading younger players tho some trades are likely. Unless you're talking KP then any possible trade of a player not named Melo is going to be a small deal. This isn't really a big deal since the Knicks are going to have a roster full of 20 something talent next year. They know this will take time.

Unless you're only satisfied if the Knicks add proven vets this summer and trades the kids then you're probably going to be unhappy. With 3 picks in this draft and maybe a trade for another 1st this is going to be a youth driven team with a few older vets mixed in.

We have 2 young players, willy and KP, everyone one else is in there mid to upper 20's. Holiday, kuz, lance, rose, are all in their late 20's baker and randle will be 25 yrs old..I know that's young for non athletes, but it's prime time for athelete's.

basically the knicks so call youngsters are really not that young. If we keep the two 2nd round picks, chances are they will be in the d league next season.

Dude we're drafting 3 players this summer! The whole team doesn't have to be 20 in order for the team to be a young team overall. Guys playing starters minutes the next few years are going to be young. The Spurs Johnathon Simmons is 27 and role players like him often have to toil for years to get to a good level. Knicks UDFA's would be in the same boat. The timing would be just right for when our youngest most talented players really put it together.

Im not expecting a single thing from any draft picks unless we move up into the top 5.

I just looked at the last 15 yrs of 2nd round picks, less than 10% actually make a NBA team, usually 1 player in the 2nd round turns out to be a gilbert arenas, drey green, kerilinko type..thats 1 out of 30.

think im lying, go look for yourself

You looked at second round picks and concluded we need to get in the top 5? Ok that makes as much sense as your other posts.

knicks1248 wrote:Maybe Lee or Willy, but even a good deal for them could have them playing elsewhere..

I could be wrong, but something tells me this roster will be predominately the same. Everyone's value definitely took a hit, except for willy, and Lee.

I would keep everyone except rose, unless they primarily moving him to the 2g, and since he doesn't shoot 3's I really don't want him back

I mean, KP and Willy, are building blocks, both should be considered must-keep. Dealing a player like KP just because he has an issue with management is the equivalent of divorcing your spouse just because you get into an argument. Making something bigger out of something not so big is the issue here.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Maybe Lee or Willy, but even a good deal for them could have them playing elsewhere..

I could be wrong, but something tells me this roster will be predominately the same. Everyone's value definitely took a hit, except for willy, and Lee.

I would keep everyone except rose, unless they primarily moving him to the 2g, and since he doesn't shoot 3's I really don't want him back

I mean, KP and Willy, are building blocks, both should be considered must-keep. Dealing a player like KP just because he has an issue with management is the equivalent of divorcing your spouse just because you get into an argument. Making something bigger out of something not so big is the issue here.

we don't have to trade KP, but you better start showing some kind of winning culture , or he will leave, anyone would leave if your depending on 2nd rounder's to contribute early and often.

It's going to take a serious trade or dumb luck to right the ship.

When guys like PJ tucker, Simmons, Cunningham (solid role players but not difference makers) are on your FA list, you have to wonder how high the knicks fA list are they, because those seem like the Lee, Afflalo, Dwill, kOQ type.

we need to be figuring out how to trade for the Rodney hood, Will Barton types

There's 3 years to fix things with KP and move in the right direction. I am not concerned about this now.

KEEPERS are ....
Noah .. Starter
O'Quinn .. Starter
Lee .. Starter
Melo .. trade or cut!
Holiday .. Bench player
Willy .. Bench player
KP .. Bench player
N'Dour .. Bench player
Plumlee .. Bench player