I have him low on my wish list personally. He's got some amazing skills but his work ethic has been questioned and his size is far from ideal. His defense has also been questioned.

You guys have probably seen the draftexpress stuff. Here's a few interesting tidbits:
Here a discussion on Smith from NC state fans:
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina-state/forums/2515-packpride-sports/15609445-will-nba-teams-hold-nc-state-s-struggles-against-dennis-smith-jr

This is the actual article being discussed
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/state-now/article150140232.html

To recap: there is mixed sentiment. Many dont blame Smith for NC's poor season and talk about all he was able to accomplish in a dysfunctional environment. Others are not high on him at all. Its always interesting to read what fans who follow the team think.

Forget about the other guys who may or may not be on the board... if the Knicks take Smith how do you feel?

Might be worried about injury with him because he is such a high flyer and is willing to take it to the basket kamikaze style. From the clips I saw the HS injury he had did not seem to slow down his game.

Watched him and noticed that he can play D when motivated...seemed to have the lateral movement I like to see. This is one of the reasons I've softened on him a bit.

Never like to hear about motivation issues with a player, but it seemed that they had a major coaching problem.

Does Phil's love of the Triangle influence his thoughts on Smith? Who knows.

He might be the most exciting individual talent in many ways, but we know that Jackson is going to look at other things.

I'm still hoping for one of the guys I like...Fox, Isaac, and Ntilikina, but Frank seems like the only one who will be available when we pick. Maybe it comes down to him vs Frank.

If Frank goes before us, that still means we get a very good player, and Smith will still be in the mix, but as usual, we have to depend on the choices other teams make.

WaltLongmire wrote:I've compared him to Rose.

Might be worried about injury with him because he is such a high flyer and is willing to take it to the basket kamikaze style. From the clips I saw the HS injury he had did not seem to slow down his game.

Watched him and noticed that he can play D when motivated...seemed to have the lateral movement I like to see. This is one of the reasons I've softened on him a bit.

Never like to hear about motivation issues with a player, but it seemed that they had a major coaching problem.

Does Phil's love of the Triangle influence his thoughts on Smith? Who knows.

He might be the most exciting individual talent in many ways, but we know that Jackson is going to look at other things.

I'm still hoping for one of the guys I like...Fox, Isaac, and Ntilikina, but Frank seems like the only one who will be available when we pick. Maybe it comes down to him vs Frank.

If Frank goes before us, that still means we get a very good player, and Smith will still be in the mix, but as usual, we have to depend on the choices other teams make.

Rose and Smith aren't alike. For starters, Smith can shoot and Rose cannot. I see Smith being similar to Lowry or K Walker. A scoring PG with a more well-rounded offensive game.

I was so impressed that I caught that NC State vs UNC game later that week on TV and saw WHY he wasn't getting the media attention. Lots of bone headed play, low IQ...giving up on plays. Now...it could just have been one bad game or maybe, when faced with a much tougher opponent, he just isn't that good.

its a tough call but if he balls out, like he did against Tech, at any of the private workouts, there is no way he will be there for the Knicks at 8

sidneydeane wrote:Why do ppl compare DSjr to rose like its a bad thing? Remember that rose was the best guard in the L for a couple seasons youngest ever MVP etc. If rose was getting drafted this year he would be no1 no question

He seems somewhat polarizing. Reading those forum quotes you have guys saying he will be an elite NBA player, and others saying he will be done after his rookie contract expires.

He's def a talented wildcard.

franco12 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/05/17/the-russell-westbrook-type-whose-red-flags-can-make-him-a-knick/

I know its just his coach advocating for his player, but.

My thinking is we desperately need a franchise impact talent, and for any chance of finding that at 8, we're going to have to gamble.

franco12 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/05/17/the-russell-westbrook-type-whose-red-flags-can-make-him-a-knick/

I know its just his coach advocating for his player, but.

My thinking is we desperately need a franchise impact talent, and for any chance of finding that at 8, we're going to have to gamble.

Don't fall for the temptation

It's like being broke and buying penny stocks. Bad idea

If you're in a position of strength then some flyers may make sense

Knicks need to continue to build.

SupremeCommander wrote:

TPercy wrote:I just don't see how he can be compared to Rose. He is a much better defender than Rose when locked in and can score in a variety of ways.

After watching Boston play this series, I'm convinced that there is no reason why Smith can't succeed. Both the triangle and what the Celtics played incoporate scoring in 3s and moving the ball. Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant guard yet Celtics still played smoothly and dithered away from Iso ball. I don't see how Smith can't repeat that here.

the real over-the-top comp that I've heard for Smith is Westbrook. I don't see it, especially as UCLA was more than decent with him and Love. NCST nosedived so that's why I don't buy that. That said, he's a bull dog and an athlete (who was essentially recovering this past year)

So you can't individually compare players if one is on a winning team and one is on a losing team?

Huh?

yellowboy90 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

TPercy wrote:I just don't see how he can be compared to Rose. He is a much better defender than Rose when locked in and can score in a variety of ways.

After watching Boston play this series, I'm convinced that there is no reason why Smith can't succeed. Both the triangle and what the Celtics played incoporate scoring in 3s and moving the ball. Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant guard yet Celtics still played smoothly and dithered away from Iso ball. I don't see how Smith can't repeat that here.

the real over-the-top comp that I've heard for Smith is Westbrook. I don't see it, especially as UCLA was more than decent with him and Love. NCST nosedived so that's why I don't buy that. That said, he's a bull dog and an athlete (who was essentially recovering this past year)

So you can't individually compare players if one is on a winning team and one is on a losing team?

Huh?

Especially when you start factoring in that Smith Jr didn't have a Kevin Love on his team and he was not a second year player. This was Smith first year coming back from a major injury and he still produced.

Exactly.

I don't care about college wins and losses. You have future NBA players playing with future accountants, teachers and lawyers. Totally irrelevant.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

TPercy wrote:I just don't see how he can be compared to Rose. He is a much better defender than Rose when locked in and can score in a variety of ways.

After watching Boston play this series, I'm convinced that there is no reason why Smith can't succeed. Both the triangle and what the Celtics played incoporate scoring in 3s and moving the ball. Isiah Thomas is a ball dominant guard yet Celtics still played smoothly and dithered away from Iso ball. I don't see how Smith can't repeat that here.

the real over-the-top comp that I've heard for Smith is Westbrook. I don't see it, especially as UCLA was more than decent with him and Love. NCST nosedived so that's why I don't buy that. That said, he's a bull dog and an athlete (who was essentially recovering this past year)

So you can't individually compare players if one is on a winning team and one is on a losing team?

Huh?

Especially when you start factoring in that Smith Jr didn't have a Kevin Love on his team and he was not a second year player. This was Smith first year coming back from a major injury and he still produced.

Exactly.

I don't care about college wins and losses. You have future NBA players playing with future accountants, teachers and lawyers. Totally irrelevant.

Its sports. Winning and losing matters. How players handle both matters. Is it the end all be all? Of course not. But its not an irrelevant piece of data.

The other thing with winning in college is that one player can have a bigger impact there than in the NBA, especially a top flight caliber guy, so when the team piles up the losses it raises question marks.

This guy is a fascinating talent. BTW NC state had a great first half before the wheels fell off in the 2nd half. However I was impressed with how Smith played vs. some of the better teams... so despite the losses he passes the eye test (easily) vs. high end comp.