fishmike wrote:We were not winning that series. Nobody played well enough to win. JR was terrible. Kidd gave nothing. Felton was average. Tyson wasn’t as bad as advertised but vanished late for sure. As for the block on Melo meh… We were down 3-1. In the 3 losses Melo shot 25-67 (good for 37%). Melo had 8 assists and 5 steals to go with 15 turnovers and 29 personal fouls in those 3 losses.

On paper the Knicks should have been able to hang. Once the games started we simply got outplayed. That series didn’t come down to reffing. Paul George was the best player on both ends and we threw up brick after brick.

I can't remember JR at all in that series- was that the year he got suspended for pushing (though I think the player also flopped) or something, then came back and played like complete trash for the rest of the playoffs?

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:We were not winning that series. Nobody played well enough to win. JR was terrible. Kidd gave nothing. Felton was average. Tyson wasn’t as bad as advertised but vanished late for sure. As for the block on Melo meh… We were down 3-1. In the 3 losses Melo shot 25-67 (good for 37%). Melo had 8 assists and 5 steals to go with 15 turnovers and 29 personal fouls in those 3 losses.

On paper the Knicks should have been able to hang. Once the games started we simply got outplayed. That series didn’t come down to reffing. Paul George was the best player on both ends and we threw up brick after brick.

I can't remember JR at all in that series- was that the year he got suspended for pushing (though I think the player also flopped) or something, then came back and played like complete trash for the rest of the playoffs?

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:We were not winning that series. Nobody played well enough to win. JR was terrible. Kidd gave nothing. Felton was average. Tyson wasn’t as bad as advertised but vanished late for sure. As for the block on Melo meh… We were down 3-1. In the 3 losses Melo shot 25-67 (good for 37%). Melo had 8 assists and 5 steals to go with 15 turnovers and 29 personal fouls in those 3 losses.

On paper the Knicks should have been able to hang. Once the games started we simply got outplayed. That series didn’t come down to reffing. Paul George was the best player on both ends and we threw up brick after brick.

I can't remember JR at all in that series- was that the year he got suspended for pushing (though I think the player also flopped) or something, then came back and played like complete trash for the rest of the playoffs?

rings a vague bell. I just remember JR bricking every shot. JR was terrible. Melo had games that gave us no chance to win. Supporting cast sucked... its why I was a bit puzzled by your post. I dont think the series was ever close and Knick players did nothing that told me they should have won. Just my 2c

The way I remember it, and I could be wrong, was that yes the rest of the team were playing like trash, but the series was still a lot closer than it should have been- felt the way they were not calling fouls on hibbert, was a big reason for Melo playing badly as he couldn't drive to the hoop as the foul was never called. Though I think some Celtic had tried to aggravate his shoulder injury that year too by pulling on it.

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:We were not winning that series. Nobody played well enough to win. JR was terrible. Kidd gave nothing. Felton was average. Tyson wasn’t as bad as advertised but vanished late for sure. As for the block on Melo meh… We were down 3-1. In the 3 losses Melo shot 25-67 (good for 37%). Melo had 8 assists and 5 steals to go with 15 turnovers and 29 personal fouls in those 3 losses.

On paper the Knicks should have been able to hang. Once the games started we simply got outplayed. That series didn’t come down to reffing. Paul George was the best player on both ends and we threw up brick after brick.

I can't remember JR at all in that series- was that the year he got suspended for pushing (though I think the player also flopped) or something, then came back and played like complete trash for the rest of the playoffs?

rings a vague bell. I just remember JR bricking every shot. JR was terrible. Melo had games that gave us no chance to win. Supporting cast sucked... its why I was a bit puzzled by your post. I dont think the series was ever close and Knick players did nothing that told me they should have won. Just my 2c

The way I remember it, and I could be wrong, was that yes the rest of the team were playing like trash, but the series was still a lot closer than it should have been- felt the way they were not calling fouls on hibbert, was a big reason for Melo playing badly as he couldn't drive to the hoop as the foul was never called. Though I think some Celtic had tried to aggravate his shoulder injury that year too by pulling on it.

It was a memorable season. Clearly not sustainable with that front office.

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:We were not winning that series. Nobody played well enough to win. JR was terrible. Kidd gave nothing. Felton was average. Tyson wasn’t as bad as advertised but vanished late for sure. As for the block on Melo meh… We were down 3-1. In the 3 losses Melo shot 25-67 (good for 37%). Melo had 8 assists and 5 steals to go with 15 turnovers and 29 personal fouls in those 3 losses.

On paper the Knicks should have been able to hang. Once the games started we simply got outplayed. That series didn’t come down to reffing. Paul George was the best player on both ends and we threw up brick after brick.

I can't remember JR at all in that series- was that the year he got suspended for pushing (though I think the player also flopped) or something, then came back and played like complete trash for the rest of the playoffs?

rings a vague bell. I just remember JR bricking every shot. JR was terrible. Melo had games that gave us no chance to win. Supporting cast sucked... its why I was a bit puzzled by your post. I dont think the series was ever close and Knick players did nothing that told me they should have won. Just my 2c

The way I remember it, and I could be wrong, was that yes the rest of the team were playing like trash, but the series was still a lot closer than it should have been- felt the way they were not calling fouls on hibbert, was a big reason for Melo playing badly as he couldn't drive to the hoop as the foul was never called. Though I think some Celtic had tried to aggravate his shoulder injury that year too by pulling on it.

maybe. I know everyone remembers Melo's last 2 games which were excellent as a rallying cry for how the guy has gotten no help over the years. I remember them all playing poorly and indeed Melo literally shot us out of series. 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 in 3 losses. I can give him a pass for not passing as his teammates couldnt buy a shot either. How do you win a series where your star player has 3 shooting nights like that in the first 4 games of the series?

It was a memorable season. Clearly not sustainable with that front office.

It was an enjoyable season, but such a bitterly disappointing playoffs. And that team only had a one year shelf life to make things worse.

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:We were not winning that series. Nobody played well enough to win. JR was terrible. Kidd gave nothing. Felton was average. Tyson wasn’t as bad as advertised but vanished late for sure. As for the block on Melo meh… We were down 3-1. In the 3 losses Melo shot 25-67 (good for 37%). Melo had 8 assists and 5 steals to go with 15 turnovers and 29 personal fouls in those 3 losses.

On paper the Knicks should have been able to hang. Once the games started we simply got outplayed. That series didn’t come down to reffing. Paul George was the best player on both ends and we threw up brick after brick.

I can't remember JR at all in that series- was that the year he got suspended for pushing (though I think the player also flopped) or something, then came back and played like complete trash for the rest of the playoffs?

rings a vague bell. I just remember JR bricking every shot. JR was terrible. Melo had games that gave us no chance to win. Supporting cast sucked... its why I was a bit puzzled by your post. I dont think the series was ever close and Knick players did nothing that told me they should have won. Just my 2c

The way I remember it, and I could be wrong, was that yes the rest of the team were playing like trash, but the series was still a lot closer than it should have been- felt the way they were not calling fouls on hibbert, was a big reason for Melo playing badly as he couldn't drive to the hoop as the foul was never called. Though I think some Celtic had tried to aggravate his shoulder injury that year too by pulling on it.

maybe. I know everyone remembers Melo's last 2 games which were excellent as a rallying cry for how the guy has gotten no help over the years. I remember them all playing poorly and indeed Melo literally shot us out of series. 9-23, 6-16 and 10-28 in 3 losses. I can give him a pass for not passing as his teammates couldnt buy a shot either. How do you win a series where your star player has 3 shooting nights like that in the first 4 games of the series?

It was a memorable season. Clearly not sustainable with that front office.

Can you please post what Melo shot again? Its only been a dozen times. Ahhhh, the Fishmike fluff machine. Thought you don't like to talk about the 54 season? Is that because that's the only time we let Melo have the team? But okay, lets just Leave out that Melo had an MVP year. Leave out that in game 1 he had a double/double with 11 rebounds. Leave out thay he kept us close in 4th and not for missed wide open 3's off hiss pass outs, we may have won the game. Leavr out that he held George to 5 of 14 shooting. But yeah he went 10 for 28. Lets also leave out game 2. Near double/double shot 50%. Now Game 3. Your right he shot 6 for 16. Leave out how they doubled him all game(reason for 16 shots) Leave out he passed very well to Shump, Felton, Smith, Pablo. Who combined for 8 for 33 shooting. Your right about game 4 though. He shot 9 for 23 with 9 boards. He shot us out of the game. Unless you also count Shump and Smith shooting 7 for 28. But i am sure we would have won if only Melo would have shot 80%. And who showed up for the pressure filled, do or die, season ending, game 6? You leave out a lot. Makes me think you did not watch the series. Or your just leaving out facts to suit your agenda?

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:That block on Melo was the peak of Hibbert's career. Probably didnt know that when he showed off the framed picture of the block to ESPN shortly afterward. Probably looks at that moment differently now.

It was also the end of Melo's career.

End? No. Peak, maybe. Melo won the scoring title that year.

GustavBahler wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:That block on Melo was the peak of Hibbert's career. Probably didnt know that when he showed off the framed picture of the block to ESPN shortly afterward. Probably looks at that moment differently now.

It was also the end of Melo's career.

End? No. Peak, maybe. Melo won the scoring title that year.