crzymdups wrote:Nalod wrote:crzymdups wrote:Can't wait for the Mark Warkentien thread!
True!!! He is paid to be a Melo Surrogate? This guy is the CAA liaison?
Was he suppose to help Melo recruit? Was he holding Melo's "Rolodex?
The point is these guys have been here since 2008. Walsh brought in both guys. When the Knicks have had picks, they've generally made good ones, so I assume they're good at their jobs.
But let's be real here - was there some Triangle Insurgency Gabriel and Warky tried to organize before Phil arrived? No. No there was not. They're following Phil's orders. Unless you think Gabriel woke up one day and screamed "I've got it! We shall resurrect Sasha Vujacic!! Find out what brothel Lamar Odom is passed out in and bring him to me now!!!"
They're following Phil's orders. Phil gets the credit if this all succeeds. But it's sort of sad to pass the blame around if he fails. If this fails - it's because Phil's vision failed. Not because of some former GMs working behind the scenes who have been on staff since 2008.
I pose questions and admit no real answers other than the results that speak for themselves.
You fill in as if your intimate with the scenario. Yes, Phil has imposed his influence which is why he was bought in.
You make it sound as if he was doing to for control and only for that reason.
Phil bought in a system that won in other places. We had not the personal for it. Maybe there was hope that Melo could do it. Melo said he wanted to do it.
Now its depicted as if Phil has been abusive.
Defending not firing Phil is not the same as defending all his moves. What Im defending is the process of change and letting things play out. We took risks with 2nd round players that did not pan out. Early was coming around to some degree, not sure if would have made it, but he got shot in the leg for goodness sake. We drafted Thanasis and bought him to Dleague where he made less money than if he stayed. he was the Greek Freaks big brother and if he stuck, maybe we get the freak to come join him. It was a stretch. If we followed other teams we'd see they too have made lots of these type moves and they don't usually work. Look t Landry and Andy. Both taken at basically the same spot. One made it, the other not. Landry had a nice career going until he got hurt.
I'd say if you can strike gold on in a while, your doing better than most. We call the Willy!!! Spurs call that Manu. Maybe we got one this time???
And have we ever tanked and given minutes to players? Usually we were just losing and injured. We have Baker, Ndour, Randle all getting time.
This is not fastenough for you?
Melo's NTC? Melo promised to play the triangle, Phil gave him a binding contractual promise.
Rose, a gamble worthy of the upside. Noah came with it. I don't like it financially, but its not a franchise killer.
We own all our first rounders for the first time I can ever remember!!!!
Things in Knick land are not the same. Its far from healthy, but we have a unicorn, Willy and some pieces that might be a core support for a few years.
Phil considers Red Holzeman his mentor and the man has 11 rings as a coach that did not follow what everyone else did. He took a different path and is the greatest coach of all time. He wants to employ a system that not every player can handle. He wants players that can play it. Kobe and Jordan became gods under the system.
When Phil took over the bulls nobody knew what would happen. When phil took over Lakers, with 21 year old arrogant Kobe, nobody knew either.
When Phil took over knicks, we were full of hope. Question is did Phil's "Failings" really his fault? Really could the return on trades really been much better?
and what is the expectation for a franchise that only had one no. 1 pick in three years? And what does one do with Melo? Let him walk? Im going to guess that Melo wanted Phil to not just rebuild, but get talent in here. He tried, and other than Noah's contract I can't spell disaster. Melo has performed to his contract statistically but not philosophically. Im ok with that decision. Melo has been relatively healthy as well.
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