nixluva wrote:I go with Fultz. I think he's got an advantage at his position every night. Athletic, big, long and skilled. He's a do it all PG and I think we need a player like that who can run a team but also take over and hit the big shot if needed.

Me too- I love Josh Jackson, but I'd take Fultz over him. At the moment I'd probably take JJ second, ahead of Ball, but I would do a bit more research first.

I voted Josh Jackson. Hard to vote against him at #1. With that said, the Knicks could end up with the 3rd-5th pick... we are in fantastic position

BRIGGS wrote:I'm all in on Lonzo. Haven't seen a player who makes players better like this in many years. He's also an nba range 3 point shooter rebounds defends at 6-6 from the pg slot I'm well aware of the other good players but this may be a transcending player who controls the flow of the game

Uptown wrote:Its close...Ball's IQ is off the charts for an 18 yr old...Makes his teammates better, Smooth and always under control, changes gears and runs the offense similar to Kidd. He does have range but what concerns me about him is the defensive side of the ball. UCLA was not a good defensive team and he played out at the top. He didn't offer a whole lot of resistance when guarding Fultz and Fox who scored on him quite a bit....

Fultz is the prototypical Lead Guard in todays NBA. He's not a pure pg like Ball, but other than Paul, what elite PGS in the league are pure? Lillard, Westbrook, Harden and Thomas are all shoot first lead guards who are willing passers and that's the style of ball Fultz plays. He doesn't have the vision like Ball but he's a better defender, and athlete. Its a close call....But theres something special about Ball!!!

blkexec wrote:I think one skill most people over look is IQ. To be honest, I don't know too much about any of these guys. I did watch Ball in his last game, and his defense didn't jump out at me. But his IQ did, and his ability to get others involved and score was great. He also makes the game look very easy out there. So if I was a GM, and given I only seen Ball play one game (which isn't fare to the others, I understand)....I would take Ball.....

As we get closer to the draft, I will do some research on the other guys. But Ball and Jackson seem to fill a direct need.....Something we've been lacking for years.

IQ and Defense.

If Fultz is the new NBA westbrook or rose type of guard, well that's an easy decision for me. We already saw how Rose fits into our triangle system. And I'm not the type to draft based on system, but a scoring point guard doesn't fill the top two needs for me.....

IQ and Defense.

blkexec wrote:I think one skill most people over look is IQ. To be honest, I don't know too much about any of these guys. I did watch Ball in his last game, and his defense didn't jump out at me. But his IQ did, and his ability to get others involved and score was great. He also makes the game look very easy out there. So if I was a GM, and given I only seen Ball play one game (which isn't fare to the others, I understand)....I would take Ball.....

As we get closer to the draft, I will do some research on the other guys. But Ball and Jackson seem to fill a direct need.....Something we've been lacking for years.

IQ and Defense.

If Fultz is the new NBA westbrook or rose type of guard, well that's an easy decision for me. We already saw how Rose fits into our triangle system. And I'm not the type to draft based on system, but a scoring point guard doesn't fill the top two needs for me.....

IQ and Defense.

Ball should be #1. I've only seen him play once (UCLA Vs. Washington) and the kid is ready, imo. I think he and Justin Jackson will have the biggest impact in their first year in the league but Fultz is no joke either and is everything that WE need for the PG position. I don't think he will be there past the 4th pick but, if he is, thats who the Knicks should target.

Josh Jackson, in my opinion, will flame out in the NBA. avoid at all costs.

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blkexec wrote:I think one skill most people over look is IQ. To be honest, I don't know too much about any of these guys. I did watch Ball in his last game, and his defense didn't jump out at me. But his IQ did, and his ability to get others involved and score was great. He also makes the game look very easy out there. So if I was a GM, and given I only seen Ball play one game (which isn't fare to the others, I understand)....I would take Ball.....

As we get closer to the draft, I will do some research on the other guys. But Ball and Jackson seem to fill a direct need.....Something we've been lacking for years.

IQ and Defense.

If Fultz is the new NBA westbrook or rose type of guard, well that's an easy decision for me. We already saw how Rose fits into our triangle system. And I'm not the type to draft based on system, but a scoring point guard doesn't fill the top two needs for me.....

IQ and Defense.

I'll bring up the same thing with ball that I brought up with Russell last year. Feel and IQ are nice and I'm sure ball will be a good player. But nearly all of the superstar players in this league have that extra burst that separate s them from the rest. The Ball/Kidd comparison is OK, but Kidd was also super fast and strong for his position. He could impose his will physical against an opponent. Do you get that sense watching ball. That position is he'll. Think of guys like Steve Smith, Allan Houston, Doug Christie, etc. who couldn't hand the position athletically when they were placed their early in their careers. These guys were solid to great athletes in their own rights, but they had to moves to SG full-time. I'm not saying Ball won't be good. But the transformational tag some guys give him is overblown.

that tag is based on his ability to improve the play of those around him. Is there another player in the draft that appears to have the positive impact on his teammates and leadership that Ball does?

Didn't we say the same thing about Kyle Anderson a few years ago?

I dont even think its a question mark. Some team will find out fast if they bypass him. Lonzo Ball is a clear #1 pick. I think there are a bunch of potentials NBA all stars up there--but only 1 that I see that controls pace the way the NBA plays its game from 30 feet out and in. The guy had a 68%eFG. His defense is going to be more than fine. Look at his tapes--smart good hands long athletic--he has some fundamental flaws there--but all correctable. This draft isnt about the triangle--this is a 15 year decision. With Ball were in good hands.