Andrew Wiggins SF/SG
Jabari Parker SF
Joel Embiid C
Aaron Gordon PF
Dante Exum PG/SG
Marcus Smart PG
Julius Randle PF
Nik Stauskas SG
Noah Vonleh PF
Elfrid Payton pg
2015

Karl-Anthony Towns C
D'Angelo Russell
Jahlil Okafor C
Kristaps Porziņģis C
Mario Hezonja SG/SF
Willie Cauley-Stein
Emmanuel Mudiay PG
Stanley Johnson SF
Frank Kaminsky C
Justise Winslow

2016
Ben Simmons# PF/SF
Brandon Ingram SF
Jaylen Brown SF
Dragan Bender PF/C
Kris Dunn PG
Buddy Hield SG
Jamal Murray SG/PG
Marquese Chriss PF
Jakob Pöltl C
Thon Maker

1)There's only 2 all stars Davis and lillard out of 50 players
2)almost all of these players are on lottery teams or fighting for a 8th seed
3)There isn't one single leader (maybe lillard)
4)atleast 40 of these players definitely don't belong in the top 15 let alone top 10

The draft is not the way you build a team, it's the trades you make, like trading our current pick for one of these YOUNG more Establish players that has some experience and you know what your getting.

smackeddog wrote:Go look at your list again, you are crazy if you don't think there's a whole heap of top tier talent there.

Agreed!

BRIGGS wrote:I feel very confident when I say IF we pick 7 or worse that I'd take John Collins as a no brainer not only do I feel he is safe but he also has all star upside from the 4 position or as a small ball fast paced center I'm scared to take a guard around 7

We need a backcourt or wing player.

Pass.

BRIGGS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I feel very confident when I say IF we pick 7 or worse that I'd take John Collins as a no brainer not only do I feel he is safe but he also has all star upside from the 4 position or as a small ball fast paced center I'm scared to take a guard around 7

We need a backcourt or wing player.

Pass.

No you always take the bpA

smackeddog wrote:Go look at your list again, you are crazy if you don't think there's a whole heap of top tier talent there.

If damn near all of them are on lottery teams how much of a impact are they having. You still gotta have that leadership, I'm not saying these players are not useful, there just not franchise changers. Some of them are on teams that are just too young, because they're constantly in the lottery every yr.

The draft to me is about taking the right player not the best, and the right player may not be in the top 10, he maybe 15(kawhi leonard) 20 (rondo) 30(jimmy butler)

you praise phil for not trading away future picks but he traded all of our 1st round picks we had..shump#7, Grant,#19 THJ #24. Didn't even give those guys a chance to develop, it's just so tough to build through the draft. You got the rookie wall, sophomore slumps, learning a system, changing coaches, changing teammates..Losing is alway brings massive changes.

Phil is not here for 3, 4, 5 more yrs, JH is not on phils bench learning the system being groom like Riley Did his coaches, he's on his own bench being taught by rambis. He's being taught by a guy who was demoted..

Even phil championship laker rosters, all put together via trades an FA Including Kobe who was traded for on draft day.

Why you think they had to start the D league,a big part was because these kids were just not ready

Knicks67 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Go look at your list again, you are crazy if you don't think there's a whole heap of top tier talent there.

If damn near all of them are on lottery teams how much of a impact are they having. You still gotta have that leadership, I'm not saying these players are not useful, there just not franchise changers. Some of them are on teams that are just too young, because they're constantly in the lottery every yr.

The draft to me is about taking the right player not the best, and the right player may not be in the top 10, he maybe 15(kawhi leonard) 20 (rondo) 30(jimmy butler)

you praise phil for not trading away future picks but he traded all of our 1st round picks we had..shump#7, Grant,#19 THJ #24. Didn't even give those guys a chance to develop, it's just so tough to build through the draft. You got the rookie wall, sophomore slumps, learning a system, changing coaches, changing teammates..Losing is alway brings massive changes.

Phil is not here for 3, 4, 5 more yrs, JH is not on phils bench learning the system being groom like Riley Did his coaches, he's on his own bench being taught by rambis. He's being taught by a guy who was demoted..

Even phil championship laker rosters, all put togther via trades Including Kobe who was traded for on draft day

Most of them haven't even nearly reached their primes yet, you can't say they're all bad classes yet. But just remember what if this class has the next Kobe, or even Harden or Curry. We honestly don't know. But that's the risk you take in the draft, and also why we need to be drafting our own talent.

Harden was traded, and curry got a lukewarm contract because of early injuries in his career. Kobe was winning out of the gate thats the only way you stick with your draft picks.

It's like being in a relationship that's not going anywhere, and hardly ever on the same page. how long does the last

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Go look at your list again, you are crazy if you don't think there's a whole heap of top tier talent there.

If damn near all of them are on lottery teams how much of a impact are they having. You still gotta have that leadership, I'm not saying these players are not useful, there just not franchise changers. Some of them are on teams that are just too young, because they're constantly in the lottery every yr.

The draft to me is about taking the right player not the best, and the right player may not be in the top 10, he maybe 15(kawhi leonard) 20 (rondo) 30(jimmy butler)

you praise phil for not trading away future picks but he traded all of our 1st round picks we had..shump#7, Grant,#19 THJ #24. Didn't even give those guys a chance to develop, it's just so tough to build through the draft. You got the rookie wall, sophomore slumps, learning a system, changing coaches, changing teammates..Losing is alway brings massive changes.

Phil is not here for 3, 4, 5 more yrs, JH is not on phils bench learning the system being groom like Riley Did his coaches, he's on his own bench being taught by rambis. He's being taught by a guy who was demoted..

Even phil championship laker rosters, all put together via trades an FA Including Kobe who was traded for on draft day.

Why you think they had to start the D league,a big part was because these kids were just not ready

I wouldn't really hold up our traded drafted players as any kind of indictment of what Phil is doing. None of them looks like an impact player so what's the big whup that we moved on from them? As for being tough to build thru the draft, no one is suggesting that the entire plan is to only use Drafted Players. The idea is to draft well and let those players form a base to build upon. Then you can add players via Free Agency or Trades. However, it should start from the Draft and see what develops.

I'm reading all of the posts you've been making this season since we've been pretty much sure to be in the lottery and I have yet to read what you presume is the alternative to this team using the Draft. The entire point is to use the draft and hopefully find that IMPACT player or two that will lift the team. We've been fortunate that KP and Willy look as good as they have. But what better option is there besides the Draft at this point???

Thats why i said it's about drafting the right player, not the most talented, making the right trades, and not dumping players because they don't fit, and more importantly you got give it time. Why are we flipping the roster ever year, chemistry doesn't happen overnight. Other than KP, phil has given up on his own picks. I guess your hoping that it doesn't do it again. Your whole thing is, get rid of melo and rose, and were on our way to the promise land. We don't have stars lined up to sign here, even when have cap space

The one thing you have not heard me say, is blow up the roster, I would blow up the system

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Go look at your list again, you are crazy if you don't think there's a whole heap of top tier talent there.

If damn near all of them are on lottery teams how much of a impact are they having. You still gotta have that leadership, I'm not saying these players are not useful, there just not franchise changers. Some of them are on teams that are just too young, because they're constantly in the lottery every yr.

The draft to me is about taking the right player not the best, and the right player may not be in the top 10, he maybe 15(kawhi leonard) 20 (rondo) 30(jimmy butler)

you praise phil for not trading away future picks but he traded all of our 1st round picks we had..shump#7, Grant,#19 THJ #24. Didn't even give those guys a chance to develop, it's just so tough to build through the draft. You got the rookie wall, sophomore slumps, learning a system, changing coaches, changing teammates..Losing is alway brings massive changes.

Phil is not here for 3, 4, 5 more yrs, JH is not on phils bench learning the system being groom like Riley Did his coaches, he's on his own bench being taught by rambis. He's being taught by a guy who was demoted..

Even phil championship laker rosters, all put together via trades an FA Including Kobe who was traded for on draft day.

Why you think they had to start the D league,a big part was because these kids were just not ready

I wouldn't really hold up our traded drafted players as any kind of indictment of what Phil is doing. None of them looks like an impact player so what's the big whup that we moved on from them? As for being tough to build thru the draft, no one is suggesting that the entire plan is to only use Drafted Players. The idea is to draft well and let those players form a base to build upon. Then you can add players via Free Agency or Trades. However, it should start from the Draft and see what develops.

I'm reading all of the posts you've been making this season since we've been pretty much sure to be in the lottery and I have yet to read what you presume is the alternative to this team using the Draft. The entire point is to use the draft and hopefully find that IMPACT player or two that will lift the team. We've been fortunate that KP and Willy look as good as they have. But what better option is there besides the Draft at this point???

Thats why i said it's about drafting the right player, not the most talented, making the right trades, and not dumping players because they don't fit, and more importantly you got give it time. Why are we flipping the roster ever year, chemistry doesn't happen overnight. Other than KP, phil has given up on his own picks. I guess your hoping that it doesn't do it again. Your whole thing is, get rid of melo and rose, and were on our way to the promise land. We don't have stars lined up to sign here, even when have cap space

The one thing you have not heard me say, is blow up the roster, I would blow up the system

You're argument makes no sense, with regards to apparently not being able to rebuild via the draft- look all the top teams- they nearly all got most of their talent via the draft!!!!

If you decide to not rebuild via the draft, you then have to hope the top tier talent develops on another team, but in such a way that their current team, for some reason, doesn't want to keep them, and will trade them for a 1st rounder, which for some reason they value even though (according to you) are worthless.

Which players are you trading for? Give me some examples. Also give me some examples of which franchise changing players you are signing in the offseason.