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knicks1248
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1/25/2017  8:17 PM
Phil may be worse,

Thomas atleast made the playoffs, and would have prob had more success if the Houston & marbury back court came together, but he came into salary cap hell, and started making lateral trades Like Tim Thomas for KVH, the Curry signing, and the Francis trade killed him, the law suit put him 6 feet deep.

Phil dumps players, like taking out the trash, 60+ players in 3 1/2 years. Then he had the nerve to call walsh's roster CLUMSY..

He has this Rosen character like a fckng ventriloquist on his lap...Phil is really becoming all the way wack and just lame.

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1/25/2017  8:34 PM
I say no for two reasons: 1) Phil didn't toss our future in the toilet trading picks; 2) drafting KP trumps any draft pick or trade Isiah made.
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1/25/2017  8:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/25/2017  8:39 PM
Phil has made short term risks without mortgaging the future. And he's hit it out of the park in the draft. There's no comparison. And he didn't have a 2014 or 2016 pick to work with.
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1/25/2017  8:58 PM
I really don't get it. You say Phil is the worse, then give reasons as to why he isn't by dropping some of the moves Isiah did. I'm frustrated too but come back to earth
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1/25/2017  9:05 PM
God no..... funny thing is the real question is was Isiah worse than Layden and Layden more or less got his job back with the wolves.
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1/25/2017  9:06 PM
Knixkik wrote:Phil has made short term risks without mortgaging the future. And he's hit it out of the park in the draft. There's no comparison. And he didn't have a 2014 or 2016 pick to work with.

short term risk that has resulted in 3 and 1/2 brutal seasons, going on 4, and KP is starting to look like a taller Gallo

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1/25/2017  9:08 PM
He doesn't always behave like a professional. His handling of Melo and communicating through his mouth piece in the press looks really bad. He isn't as bad as Isiah but he certainly isn't doing his legacy any favors by not taking care of business in a professional manner.
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1/25/2017  9:11 PM
Phil only had 1 of the Knicks 1st rnd picks. Give him a break
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1/25/2017  9:12 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Phil has made short term risks without mortgaging the future. And he's hit it out of the park in the draft. There's no comparison. And he didn't have a 2014 or 2016 pick to work with.

short term risk that has resulted in 3 and 1/2 brutal seasons, going on 4, and KP is starting to look like a taller Gallo

The criticism of KP is mind boggling. The guy is 21 years old. No other fan base would be this impatient.

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1/25/2017  9:13 PM
EnySpree wrote:I really don't get it. You say Phil is the worse, then give reasons as to why he isn't by dropping some of the moves Isiah did. I'm frustrated too but come back to earth

In 4 seasons we dont have a core, and were don't seem to be getting better, even after a new coach and new players, Same results.

Phil has had $ to spend, a top 5 pick, and cap friendly contracts. He signs Noah, melo, lance and lee, thats nothing to brag about on any level

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1/25/2017  9:14 PM
Welpee wrote:I say no for two reasons: 1) Phil didn't toss our future in the toilet trading picks; 2) drafting KP trumps any draft pick or trade Isiah made.

At this point it's too early to say. But two things: Isiah did also acquire a few 1st round picks and he didn't hand out as many large, bad contracts as Phil has. If KP becomes a superstar, yes, that trumps anything Isiah did though.
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1/25/2017  9:15 PM
BigRedDog wrote:Phil only had 1 of the Knicks 1st rnd picks. Give him a break

OK but Isiah had $0 in cap space. Give him a break. Or maybe don't give either one a break. They both made many terrible decisions and few good ones.

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1/25/2017  9:43 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I really don't get it. You say Phil is the worse, then give reasons as to why he isn't by dropping some of the moves Isiah did. I'm frustrated too but come back to earth

In 4 seasons we dont have a core, and were don't seem to be getting better, even after a new coach and new players, Same results.

Phil has had $ to spend, a top 5 pick, and cap friendly contracts. He signs Noah, melo, lance and lee, thats nothing to brag about on any level

Yeah. Is this the year the Knicks get back to pre-phil 37 wins?
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1/25/2017  11:07 PM
Isiah is probably the worst gm of all time so no phil is not worse. Not saying phil has been great but its hard to top isiah
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1/25/2017  11:09 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Isiah is probably the worst gm of all time so no phil is not worse. Not saying phil has been great but its hard to top isiah

Layden might of been worse. I remember before the draft everybody was getting hyped about Amare and when they asked Layden about it he didn't even know who Amare was because he had been vacationing/scouting in Europe and at the end he drafted Frederic weis........ Layden was complete scrub

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1/25/2017  11:12 PM
wargames wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Isiah is probably the worst gm of all time so no phil is not worse. Not saying phil has been great but its hard to top isiah

Layden might of been worse. I remember before the draft everybody was getting hyped about Amare and when they asked Layden about it he didn't even know who Amare was because he had been vacationing/scouting in Europe and at the end he drafted Frederic weis........ Layden was complete scrub

I remember being on my way to a draft party and they started reporting on the radio that the Knicks were trading Camby and their pick for Dyess. It ruined the night and many years for the franchise.
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1/25/2017  11:14 PM
Phil isn't worse - he's kept the draft picks. And he's drafted some young guys that he hasn't traded yet.

Isiah traded the young guys and draft picks all the time.

He drafted Ariza... then traded him, drafted Frye... traded him, too

The Eddy Curry trade is the worst Knicks trade of all time.

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1/25/2017  11:15 PM
wargames wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Isiah is probably the worst gm of all time so no phil is not worse. Not saying phil has been great but its hard to top isiah

Layden might of been worse. I remember before the draft everybody was getting hyped about Amare and when they asked Layden about it he didn't even know who Amare was because he had been vacationing/scouting in Europe and at the end he drafted Frederic weis........ Layden was complete scrub

scott was terrible BUT isiah had a chance to learn from his mistakes but instead he kept adding bloated contracts and throwing away lottery picks
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1/25/2017  11:16 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I really don't get it. You say Phil is the worse, then give reasons as to why he isn't by dropping some of the moves Isiah did. I'm frustrated too but come back to earth

In 4 seasons we dont have a core, and were don't seem to be getting better, even after a new coach and new players, Same results.

Phil has had $ to spend, a top 5 pick, and cap friendly contracts. He signs Noah, melo, lance and lee, thats nothing to brag about on any level

Who's bragging? But we still are financially stable and are picks are intact. Season might be lost but we're not dead in the water

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1/25/2017  11:52 PM
This thread is a joke.

Isiah was one of the worst GMs in NBA history.

Jerome James on a 5 year deal at 30MM - played on season
Eddy Curry - worst trade in NBA history, 2 number 1 picks that Noah and Aldrige for a guy that was to fat and stupid to contribute
Jamal Crawford - 37MM for Jerome Williams to overpay a 6th man
Channing Frye - over Granger and Bynum
Kurt Thomas - useful role player for QRich and his 58MM deal for the rights to Nate Robinson
Marty Collins - over Rondo and Lowry
Nazar Mohomed - expiring deal for the 29th pick, and Malik Rose. 9MM in salary for two years for a pick that could be bought for 3MM
Jared Jefferies - full mid level
Moving Ariza for Steve Francis

Trading a draft selection for mo taylor

Quite possibly the dumbest gm in the history of the league (outside of Billy King)

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