Knixkik wrote:Lebron and Durant get criticized for their lack of loyalty, Melo gets criticized for his unconditional loyalty. If he accepts a trade that gets us back a good young starter and 1st round pick, it's worth it, but some things i will never understand. I was a fan of the trade for Melo, and would still make it again. The Knicks were not ruined by the trade. We still had Fields, who at the time was a starting SG as a rookie and had huge value, and eventually found Lin, and we let both of them walk for nothing. We didn't have the foresight to know we wouldn't resign them and deal them each for 1st round picks. The Barg deal was a failure of epic proportion. But we made a solid gamble on a 26 year old Melo just entering his prime and got his best years out of him. I am all for keeping him, but i understand that change might be needed for both sides. But we have to get real value for him. A long-term starting player and a 1st round pick has to be the minimum asking price.

Lebron and Durant are MVP and have moved in their prime. They left and gave no opportunity for compensation to their teams.
Melo was not wanted by many here for basketball reasons. His loyalty is really not in question because its never really be established. He has protected himself above the team. He rejected MDA ball movement and to a lessor degree the Triangle.

Melo is not evil, he is not MVP material. At this point the knicks would be better off getting a good return on him if the experiment is over with him.
Personally I like the guy. As discussed many times ones opinin might be rooted in their expectation of who he is as a player and what a superstar can do for a team.
He has not been that superstar that can carry a team, he was not the golden Mooby, and thus some are disappointed.

Boston traded Pierce and Garnett for a healthy return. I think Melo can get us good deal on some assets. I said good, not great.

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Lebron and Durant get criticized for their lack of loyalty, Melo gets criticized for his unconditional loyalty. If he accepts a trade that gets us back a good young starter and 1st round pick, it's worth it, but some things i will never understand. I was a fan of the trade for Melo, and would still make it again. The Knicks were not ruined by the trade. We still had Fields, who at the time was a starting SG as a rookie and had huge value, and eventually found Lin, and we let both of them walk for nothing. We didn't have the foresight to know we wouldn't resign them and deal them each for 1st round picks. The Barg deal was a failure of epic proportion. But we made a solid gamble on a 26 year old Melo just entering his prime and got his best years out of him. I am all for keeping him, but i understand that change might be needed for both sides. But we have to get real value for him. A long-term starting player and a 1st round pick has to be the minimum asking price.

Lebron and Durant are MVP and have moved in their prime. They left and gave no opportunity for compensation to their teams.
Melo was not wanted by many here for basketball reasons. His loyalty is really not in question because its never really be established. He has protected himself above the team. He rejected MDA ball movement and to a lessor degree the Triangle.

Melo is not evil, he is not MVP material. At this point the knicks would be better off getting a good return on him if the experiment is over with him.
Personally I like the guy. As discussed many times ones opinin might be rooted in their expectation of who he is as a player and what a superstar can do for a team.
He has not been that superstar that can carry a team, he was not the golden Mooby, and thus some are disappointed.

Boston traded Pierce and Garnett for a healthy return. I think Melo can get us good deal on some assets. I said good, not great.

Agreed. I think Chicago is a very underrated destination. Wade will push for him. They have a lot of assets and workable contracts. Rondo and Gibson expirings. McDermott, Valentine, and Mirocic are decent young players. And they have 2 1st round picks this year. There's probably a workable deal in there somewhere.

C Lopez
F Melo
F Butler
G Wade
G MCW

It's not great, but will be enough to push them into the playoffs most likely. Melo is unlikely to win a title in his career, but this will give him a solid chance to compete in the playoffs with his friend for the last couple years of his contract and re-evaluate his options after that. His wife will enjoy chicago and sitting courtside with Wade's wife, who is her close friend. I don't think he will accept a deal to boston. I see LAC, Cavs, or Bulls.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Lebron and Durant get criticized for their lack of loyalty, Melo gets criticized for his unconditional loyalty. If he accepts a trade that gets us back a good young starter and 1st round pick, it's worth it, but some things i will never understand. I was a fan of the trade for Melo, and would still make it again. The Knicks were not ruined by the trade. We still had Fields, who at the time was a starting SG as a rookie and had huge value, and eventually found Lin, and we let both of them walk for nothing. We didn't have the foresight to know we wouldn't resign them and deal them each for 1st round picks. The Barg deal was a failure of epic proportion. But we made a solid gamble on a 26 year old Melo just entering his prime and got his best years out of him. I am all for keeping him, but i understand that change might be needed for both sides. But we have to get real value for him. A long-term starting player and a 1st round pick has to be the minimum asking price.

Lebron and Durant are MVP and have moved in their prime. They left and gave no opportunity for compensation to their teams.
Melo was not wanted by many here for basketball reasons. His loyalty is really not in question because its never really be established. He has protected himself above the team. He rejected MDA ball movement and to a lessor degree the Triangle.

Melo is not evil, he is not MVP material. At this point the knicks would be better off getting a good return on him if the experiment is over with him.
Personally I like the guy. As discussed many times ones opinin might be rooted in their expectation of who he is as a player and what a superstar can do for a team.
He has not been that superstar that can carry a team, he was not the golden Mooby, and thus some are disappointed.

Boston traded Pierce and Garnett for a healthy return. I think Melo can get us good deal on some assets. I said good, not great.

Agreed. I think Chicago is a very underrated destination. Wade will push for him. They have a lot of assets and workable contracts. Rondo and Gibson expirings. McDermott, Valentine, and Mirocic are decent young players. And they have 2 1st round picks this year. There's probably a workable deal in there somewhere.

C Lopez
F Melo
F Butler
G Wade
G MCW

It's not great, but will be enough to push them into the playoffs most likely. Melo is unlikely to win a title in his career, but this will give him a solid chance to compete in the playoffs with his friend for the last couple years of his contract and re-evaluate his options after that. His wife will enjoy chicago and sitting courtside with Wade's wife, who is her close friend. I don't think he will accept a deal to boston. I see LAC, Cavs, or Bulls.

Thats a good squad and Melo's shooting spaces the floor nicely for that group. Expirings, Mirocic and a couple #1s and I would do that

I forgot about Portis too. I would love to get him and one of those 1st round picks. Gibson, Rondo, Portis, and a pick from this year's draft for Melo straight up. Would be solid for both teams.

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Lebron and Durant get criticized for their lack of loyalty, Melo gets criticized for his unconditional loyalty. If he accepts a trade that gets us back a good young starter and 1st round pick, it's worth it, but some things i will never understand. I was a fan of the trade for Melo, and would still make it again. The Knicks were not ruined by the trade. We still had Fields, who at the time was a starting SG as a rookie and had huge value, and eventually found Lin, and we let both of them walk for nothing. We didn't have the foresight to know we wouldn't resign them and deal them each for 1st round picks. The Barg deal was a failure of epic proportion. But we made a solid gamble on a 26 year old Melo just entering his prime and got his best years out of him. I am all for keeping him, but i understand that change might be needed for both sides. But we have to get real value for him. A long-term starting player and a 1st round pick has to be the minimum asking price.

Lebron and Durant are MVP and have moved in their prime. They left and gave no opportunity for compensation to their teams.
Melo was not wanted by many here for basketball reasons. His loyalty is really not in question because its never really be established. He has protected himself above the team. He rejected MDA ball movement and to a lessor degree the Triangle.

Melo is not evil, he is not MVP material. At this point the knicks would be better off getting a good return on him if the experiment is over with him.
Personally I like the guy. As discussed many times ones opinin might be rooted in their expectation of who he is as a player and what a superstar can do for a team.
He has not been that superstar that can carry a team, he was not the golden Mooby, and thus some are disappointed.

Boston traded Pierce and Garnett for a healthy return. I think Melo can get us good deal on some assets. I said good, not great.

Agreed. I think Chicago is a very underrated destination. Wade will push for him. They have a lot of assets and workable contracts. Rondo and Gibson expirings. McDermott, Valentine, and Mirocic are decent young players. And they have 2 1st round picks this year. There's probably a workable deal in there somewhere.

C Lopez
F Melo
F Butler
G Wade
G MCW

It's not great, but will be enough to push them into the playoffs most likely. Melo is unlikely to win a title in his career, but this will give him a solid chance to compete in the playoffs with his friend for the last couple years of his contract and re-evaluate his options after that. His wife will enjoy chicago and sitting courtside with Wade's wife, who is her close friend. I don't think he will accept a deal to boston. I see LAC, Cavs, or Bulls.

Thats a good squad and Melo's shooting spaces the floor nicely for that group. Expirings, Mirocic and a couple #1s and I would do that

I forgot about Portis too. I would love to get him and one of those 1st round picks. Gibson, Rondo, Portis, and a pick from this year's draft for Melo straight up. Would be solid for both teams.

Why would we want Rondo? Is that to make salaries match?

Knixkik wrote:Lebron and Durant get criticized for their lack of loyalty, Melo gets criticized for his unconditional loyalty. If he accepts a trade that gets us back a good young starter and 1st round pick, it's worth it, but some things i will never understand. I was a fan of the trade for Melo, and would still make it again. The Knicks were not ruined by the trade. We still had Fields, who at the time was a starting SG as a rookie and had huge value, and eventually found Lin, and we let both of them walk for nothing. We didn't have the foresight to know we wouldn't resign them and deal them each for 1st round picks. The Barg deal was a failure of epic proportion. But we made a solid gamble on a 26 year old Melo just entering his prime and got his best years out of him. I am all for keeping him, but i understand that change might be needed for both sides. But we have to get real value for him. A long-term starting player and a 1st round pick has to be the minimum asking price.

If Melo really like NY he should bring to Knicks some value at last. Better later that never.
He enjoyed great support, a lot of $$$, endorsements, and brand support in NY.
Time to give back a bit by letting the team to rebuild the right way.
He knows that he is odd peace at this point of Kincks team development.
I do not think his legacy will be affected in any way.
And he will not be blamed by real Knicks fans.
I will be the one to applaud him if he leaves and will drop all my complains about him.
He should understand that his statue will diminish in NY with every passing day of his useless remainder of contract.

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Lebron and Durant get criticized for their lack of loyalty, Melo gets criticized for his unconditional loyalty. If he accepts a trade that gets us back a good young starter and 1st round pick, it's worth it, but some things i will never understand. I was a fan of the trade for Melo, and would still make it again. The Knicks were not ruined by the trade. We still had Fields, who at the time was a starting SG as a rookie and had huge value, and eventually found Lin, and we let both of them walk for nothing. We didn't have the foresight to know we wouldn't resign them and deal them each for 1st round picks. The Barg deal was a failure of epic proportion. But we made a solid gamble on a 26 year old Melo just entering his prime and got his best years out of him. I am all for keeping him, but i understand that change might be needed for both sides. But we have to get real value for him. A long-term starting player and a 1st round pick has to be the minimum asking price.

Lebron and Durant are MVP and have moved in their prime. They left and gave no opportunity for compensation to their teams.
Melo was not wanted by many here for basketball reasons. His loyalty is really not in question because its never really be established. He has protected himself above the team. He rejected MDA ball movement and to a lessor degree the Triangle.

Melo is not evil, he is not MVP material. At this point the knicks would be better off getting a good return on him if the experiment is over with him.
Personally I like the guy. As discussed many times ones opinin might be rooted in their expectation of who he is as a player and what a superstar can do for a team.
He has not been that superstar that can carry a team, he was not the golden Mooby, and thus some are disappointed.

Boston traded Pierce and Garnett for a healthy return. I think Melo can get us good deal on some assets. I said good, not great.

Agreed. I think Chicago is a very underrated destination. Wade will push for him. They have a lot of assets and workable contracts. Rondo and Gibson expirings. McDermott, Valentine, and Mirocic are decent young players. And they have 2 1st round picks this year. There's probably a workable deal in there somewhere.

C Lopez
F Melo
F Butler
G Wade
G MCW

It's not great, but will be enough to push them into the playoffs most likely. Melo is unlikely to win a title in his career, but this will give him a solid chance to compete in the playoffs with his friend for the last couple years of his contract and re-evaluate his options after that. His wife will enjoy chicago and sitting courtside with Wade's wife, who is her close friend. I don't think he will accept a deal to boston. I see LAC, Cavs, or Bulls.

Thats a good squad and Melo's shooting spaces the floor nicely for that group. Expirings, Mirocic and a couple #1s and I would do that

I forgot about Portis too. I would love to get him and one of those 1st round picks. Gibson, Rondo, Portis, and a pick from this year's draft for Melo straight up. Would be solid for both teams.

Very interesting suggestions. The irony of Grant Lopez and Melo going to Chicago, and we have Rose, Noah, Holiday and ????.

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Lebron and Durant get criticized for their lack of loyalty, Melo gets criticized for his unconditional loyalty. If he accepts a trade that gets us back a good young starter and 1st round pick, it's worth it, but some things i will never understand. I was a fan of the trade for Melo, and would still make it again. The Knicks were not ruined by the trade. We still had Fields, who at the time was a starting SG as a rookie and had huge value, and eventually found Lin, and we let both of them walk for nothing. We didn't have the foresight to know we wouldn't resign them and deal them each for 1st round picks. The Barg deal was a failure of epic proportion. But we made a solid gamble on a 26 year old Melo just entering his prime and got his best years out of him. I am all for keeping him, but i understand that change might be needed for both sides. But we have to get real value for him. A long-term starting player and a 1st round pick has to be the minimum asking price.

Lebron and Durant are MVP and have moved in their prime. They left and gave no opportunity for compensation to their teams.
Melo was not wanted by many here for basketball reasons. His loyalty is really not in question because its never really be established. He has protected himself above the team. He rejected MDA ball movement and to a lessor degree the Triangle.

Melo is not evil, he is not MVP material. At this point the knicks would be better off getting a good return on him if the experiment is over with him.
Personally I like the guy. As discussed many times ones opinin might be rooted in their expectation of who he is as a player and what a superstar can do for a team.
He has not been that superstar that can carry a team, he was not the golden Mooby, and thus some are disappointed.

Boston traded Pierce and Garnett for a healthy return. I think Melo can get us good deal on some assets. I said good, not great.

Agree to most of what you said. But here is the thing, NY fans don't want good players. They want LBJ or Jordan. And they don't stop and consider that even they needed lots of star's to align in order to win. That's Melo. He was an All Star. But he was no LBJ or Jordan.just not good enough here. We rather trade any player that doesn't bring us a chip and roll the dice in draft lottery.

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Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Lebron and Durant get criticized for their lack of loyalty, Melo gets criticized for his unconditional loyalty. If he accepts a trade that gets us back a good young starter and 1st round pick, it's worth it, but some things i will never understand. I was a fan of the trade for Melo, and would still make it again. The Knicks were not ruined by the trade. We still had Fields, who at the time was a starting SG as a rookie and had huge value, and eventually found Lin, and we let both of them walk for nothing. We didn't have the foresight to know we wouldn't resign them and deal them each for 1st round picks. The Barg deal was a failure of epic proportion. But we made a solid gamble on a 26 year old Melo just entering his prime and got his best years out of him. I am all for keeping him, but i understand that change might be needed for both sides. But we have to get real value for him. A long-term starting player and a 1st round pick has to be the minimum asking price.

Lebron and Durant are MVP and have moved in their prime. They left and gave no opportunity for compensation to their teams.
Melo was not wanted by many here for basketball reasons. His loyalty is really not in question because its never really be established. He has protected himself above the team. He rejected MDA ball movement and to a lessor degree the Triangle.

Melo is not evil, he is not MVP material. At this point the knicks would be better off getting a good return on him if the experiment is over with him.
Personally I like the guy. As discussed many times ones opinin might be rooted in their expectation of who he is as a player and what a superstar can do for a team.
He has not been that superstar that can carry a team, he was not the golden Mooby, and thus some are disappointed.

Boston traded Pierce and Garnett for a healthy return. I think Melo can get us good deal on some assets. I said good, not great.

Agree to most of what you said. But here is the thing, NY fans don't want good players. They want LBJ or Jordan. And they don't stop and consider that even they needed lots of star's to align in order to win. That's Melo. He was an All Star. But he was no LBJ or Jordan.just not good enough here. We rather trade any player that doesn't bring us a chip and roll the dice in draft lottery.

NY Knicks fans to be precise.
NY Rangers fans get cured from this sickness... and have a great team to root for 10 years already.
And it is getting even better.
Still no cup but it is within reach.
With great leadership the things can be changed to better. There is always some hope.