StarksEwing1 wrote:When he is healthy he will really help. HOWEVER the chances of him lasting a whole season especially if we get into the postseason is questionable

The trick may be how Jeff manages his minutes. How the medical staff handles his treatment and rest days. Also how well Jennings plays and if a kid like Chasson Randle can make the team and provide some quality minutes. We could really use a 3rd PG that can eat up some minutes and play on back to back games and log road trips.

IMO this team should be able to keep DRose fresh for the playoffs if they handle him right. Freak injuries like landing on someone's foot and twisting an ankle can happen to anyone at any time. That isn't what this is about.

As noted in this article Rose played in the playoffs in 2015. He would've been available in 2016 if the Bulls had qualified for the playoffs.

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nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:When he is healthy he will really help. HOWEVER the chances of him lasting a whole season especially if we get into the postseason is questionable

The trick may be how Jeff manages his minutes. How the medical staff handles his treatment and rest days. Also how well Jennings plays and if a kid like Chasson Randle can make the team and provide some quality minutes. We could really use a 3rd PG that can eat up some minutes and play on back to back games and log road trips.

IMO this team should be able to keep DRose fresh for the playoffs if they handle him right. Freak injuries like landing on someone's foot and twisting an ankle can happen to anyone at any time. That isn't what this is about.

As noted in this article Rose played in the playoffs in 2015. He would've been available in 2016 if the Bulls had qualified for the playoffs.

his minutes definetly need to be monitored.thats why i like the jennings move. The issue with Rose is the amount of injuries he has had catches up with you. Hopefully he at least lasts the year. He wont be here next year most likely

Just hope that we have a viable plan b (like jennings delivering off the bench) if Rose is signed long term. The other upside of Rose playing well, helping the Knicks succeed, is that it should attract other FAs who want to take his place next summer.

nixluva wrote:I wanna see Randle in preseason. There's a chance he could be that 3rd PG. overall the roster has good depth at the guard spots. No one should have to log too many minutes.

1. He's not a bum. Even if he's lost a step, that still makes him a top 10 point guard. He's on Teague, Conley level. 16/5 production possibly more which would make him a top 5-8 pg.

2. He's a injury risk but that's why we signed Brandon Jennings. Nothing else to say with that. The Knicks covered their bases.

3. His rape trial most likely will be postponed til after the season. He won't miss any games because of it.

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EnySpree wrote:The only concern we should have with Rose is none.....

1. He's not a bum. Even if he's lost a step, that still makes him a top 10 point guard. He's on Teague, Conley level. 16/5 production possibly more which would make him a top 5-8 pg.

2. He's a injury risk but that's why we signed Brandon Jennings. Nothing else to say with that. The Knicks covered their bases.

3. His rape trial most likely will be postponed til after the season. He won't miss any games because of it.

There is injury concern for sure. Its not being negative just being honest from his history

Have you or anybody else had multiple serious injuries back to back? Ever wonder why someone like myself, who's had multiple injuries back to back, is not as concerned as others with Rose. Maybe thats why I'm more optimistic than most, because I've experience this before. And we've seen others like Westbrook come back from a similar injury. We have to stop looking at his last injury, because it wasn't related to his knee. From what I can tell, his knee has been holding up for multiple years now. So why the concern all of a sudden? Rose is not the main guy anymore....And he doesn't have to prove himself offensively like in the past. He doesn't have to play major minutes anymore.....He doesn't have to carry the team....And his knees has been healthy for over 2 years or more (whenever he had his last knee surgery). He's only 27.

I'm 43....had multiple surgeries back to back (mid and late 30's).....It's been 2-3 years since the last surgery and I'm still killing at 43.....Rose will be fine at 28. Some people have the genetics and others don't. I believe Rose is not only physically healed (he's already proved that last year).....But he's now working on mental healing. His goal is not to score 20+.....It's to play all 82 games of the regular season injury free. And if you look at the games played, each year it's more and more games of being injury free. Last year was 60 something games.....Which is very encouraging for fans and more importantly himself. This year will be less impactful on his body, because of the system and talent around him. I'm not worried about Rose now or in the future (in this system and around this talent).

He has the potential to get injured just like everybody else. Basketball is a brutle sport, especially if you don't take care of yourself. I believe Rose has reached that point of maturity, and he will become a normal player again. One more knee injury might be it for him, and I'm sure that was on his mind last year. Hopefully this year he's now mentally healed, which is the key to injury recovery.

blkexec wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The only concern we should have with Rose is none.....

1. He's not a bum. Even if he's lost a step, that still makes him a top 10 point guard. He's on Teague, Conley level. 16/5 production possibly more which would make him a top 5-8 pg.

2. He's a injury risk but that's why we signed Brandon Jennings. Nothing else to say with that. The Knicks covered their bases.

3. His rape trial most likely will be postponed til after the season. He won't miss any games because of it.

There is injury concern for sure. Its not being negative just being honest from his history

Have you or anybody else had multiple serious injuries back to back? Ever wonder why someone like myself, who's had multiple injuries back to back, is not as concerned as others with Rose. Maybe thats why I'm more optimistic than most, because I've experience this before. And we've seen others like Westbrook come back from a similar injury. We have to stop looking at his last injury, because it wasn't related to his knee. From what I can tell, his knee has been holding up for multiple years now. So why the concern all of a sudden? Rose is not the main guy anymore....And he doesn't have to prove himself offensively like in the past. He doesn't have to play major minutes anymore.....He doesn't have to carry the team....And his knees has been healthy for over 2 years or more (whenever he had his last knee surgery). He's only 27.

I'm 43....had multiple surgeries back to back (mid and late 30's).....It's been 2-3 years since the last surgery and I'm still killing at 43.....Rose will be fine at 28. Some people have the genetics and others don't. I believe Rose is not only physically healed (he's already proved that last year).....But he's now working on mental healing. His goal is not to score 20+.....It's to play all 82 games of the regular season injury free. And if you look at the games played, each year it's more and more games of being injury free. Last year was 60 something games.....Which is very encouraging for fans and more importantly himself. This year will be less impactful on his body, because of the system and talent around him. I'm not worried about Rose now or in the future (in this system and around this talent).

He has the potential to get injured just like everybody else. Basketball is a brutle sport, especially if you don't take care of yourself. I believe Rose has reached that point of maturity, and he will become a normal player again. One more knee injury might be it for him, and I'm sure that was on his mind last year. Hopefully this year he's now mentally healed, which is the key to injury recovery.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The only concern we should have with Rose is none.....

1. He's not a bum. Even if he's lost a step, that still makes him a top 10 point guard. He's on Teague, Conley level. 16/5 production possibly more which would make him a top 5-8 pg.

2. He's a injury risk but that's why we signed Brandon Jennings. Nothing else to say with that. The Knicks covered their bases.

3. His rape trial most likely will be postponed til after the season. He won't miss any games because of it.

There is injury concern for sure. Its not being negative just being honest from his history

Have you or anybody else had multiple serious injuries back to back? Ever wonder why someone like myself, who's had multiple injuries back to back, is not as concerned as others with Rose. Maybe thats why I'm more optimistic than most, because I've experience this before. And we've seen others like Westbrook come back from a similar injury. We have to stop looking at his last injury, because it wasn't related to his knee. From what I can tell, his knee has been holding up for multiple years now. So why the concern all of a sudden? Rose is not the main guy anymore....And he doesn't have to prove himself offensively like in the past. He doesn't have to play major minutes anymore.....He doesn't have to carry the team....And his knees has been healthy for over 2 years or more (whenever he had his last knee surgery). He's only 27.

I'm 43....had multiple surgeries back to back (mid and late 30's).....It's been 2-3 years since the last surgery and I'm still killing at 43.....Rose will be fine at 28. Some people have the genetics and others don't. I believe Rose is not only physically healed (he's already proved that last year).....But he's now working on mental healing. His goal is not to score 20+.....It's to play all 82 games of the regular season injury free. And if you look at the games played, each year it's more and more games of being injury free. Last year was 60 something games.....Which is very encouraging for fans and more importantly himself. This year will be less impactful on his body, because of the system and talent around him. I'm not worried about Rose now or in the future (in this system and around this talent).

He has the potential to get injured just like everybody else. Basketball is a brutle sport, especially if you don't take care of yourself. I believe Rose has reached that point of maturity, and he will become a normal player again. One more knee injury might be it for him, and I'm sure that was on his mind last year. Hopefully this year he's now mentally healed, which is the key to injury recovery.

i understand your point BUT there is a big difference between doing normal everyday things and being a nba point guard after so many injuries...it takes it toll as a player. Now i think Rose will still be effective but him lasting a whole season is a question mark. Im not being negative at all just trying to be objective. I hope he lasts the whole year

If I didn't have experience with basketball injuries, I would be skeptical as well. And I agree with your comparison of me and rose the NBA player. I'm not under the same pressure and stress to carry an NBA team like rose. But I am an expert in basketball injuries and recovery. One thing I find out is that injuries and stress are very much related. And rose has been through a lot of stress playing in his home town and still running with his boys chasing girls. My injury occurred during a very stressful time in my marriage. So if my philosophy is correct (its all a big guess...no one knows the future) I think his maturity has improved due to this rape case....his stress to carry a team is reduced......and he's away from his hometown family and friends pressure in NYC. Its like when God gives you a second chance, usually u take advantage of that. At 28 is the time when everything starts to click.....so I believe rose will be fi e this year....

The million dollar question is what's rose value if he plays this year like an all star player? That's the only thing I can't answer.....will he sign a discount contract? And what is a discount?

blkexec wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The only concern we should have with Rose is none.....

1. He's not a bum. Even if he's lost a step, that still makes him a top 10 point guard. He's on Teague, Conley level. 16/5 production possibly more which would make him a top 5-8 pg.

2. He's a injury risk but that's why we signed Brandon Jennings. Nothing else to say with that. The Knicks covered their bases.

3. His rape trial most likely will be postponed til after the season. He won't miss any games because of it.

There is injury concern for sure. Its not being negative just being honest from his history

Have you or anybody else had multiple serious injuries back to back? Ever wonder why someone like myself, who's had multiple injuries back to back, is not as concerned as others with Rose. Maybe thats why I'm more optimistic than most, because I've experience this before. And we've seen others like Westbrook come back from a similar injury. We have to stop looking at his last injury, because it wasn't related to his knee. From what I can tell, his knee has been holding up for multiple years now. So why the concern all of a sudden? Rose is not the main guy anymore....And he doesn't have to prove himself offensively like in the past. He doesn't have to play major minutes anymore.....He doesn't have to carry the team....And his knees has been healthy for over 2 years or more (whenever he had his last knee surgery). He's only 27.

I'm 43....had multiple surgeries back to back (mid and late 30's).....It's been 2-3 years since the last surgery and I'm still killing at 43.....Rose will be fine at 28. Some people have the genetics and others don't. I believe Rose is not only physically healed (he's already proved that last year).....But he's now working on mental healing. His goal is not to score 20+.....It's to play all 82 games of the regular season injury free. And if you look at the games played, each year it's more and more games of being injury free. Last year was 60 something games.....Which is very encouraging for fans and more importantly himself. This year will be less impactful on his body, because of the system and talent around him. I'm not worried about Rose now or in the future (in this system and around this talent).

He has the potential to get injured just like everybody else. Basketball is a brutle sport, especially if you don't take care of yourself. I believe Rose has reached that point of maturity, and he will become a normal player again. One more knee injury might be it for him, and I'm sure that was on his mind last year. Hopefully this year he's now mentally healed, which is the key to injury recovery.

i understand your point BUT there is a big difference between doing normal everyday things and being a nba point guard after so many injuries...it takes it toll as a player. Now i think Rose will still be effective but him lasting a whole season is a question mark. Im not being negative at all just trying to be objective. I hope he lasts the whole year

If I didn't have experience with basketball injuries, I would be skeptical as well. And I agree with your comparison of me and rose the NBA player. I'm not under the same pressure and stress to carry an NBA team like rose. But I am an expert in basketball injuries and recovery. One thing I find out is that injuries and stress are very much related. And rose has been through a lot of stress playing in his home town and still running with his boys chasing girls. My injury occurred during a very stressful time in my marriage. So if my philosophy is correct (its all a big guess...no one knows the future) I think his maturity has improved due to this rape case....his stress to carry a team is reduced......and he's away from his hometown family and friends pressure in NYC. Its like when God gives you a second chance, usually u take advantage of that. At 28 is the time when everything starts to click.....so I believe rose will be fi e this year....

The million dollar question is what's rose value if he plays this year like an all star player? That's the only thing I can't answer.....will he sign a discount contract? And what is a discount?