StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand the skepticism regarding rose and noah because of their injury history. However i think the lee and jennings signings were solid, willy looks like a player, and we have a rising superstar in KP. Personally i dont get upset at articles like some do. Sure i dont agree with some of their opinions but other opinions are valid too

Yeah some don't get mad at the articles but the negative press that these new york writers put out is annoying and at times has hurt us in free agency. I'm ready for the season to start and hope we're a good, solid team but even if we're playing good next season and guys like Rose, Noah and Melo are staying pretty healthy they'll still find reasons to write BS articles about shyt.

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StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand the skepticism regarding rose and noah because of their injury history. However i think the lee and jennings signings were solid, willy looks like a player, and we have a rising superstar in KP. Personally i dont get upset at articles like some do. Sure i dont agree with some of their opinions but other opinions are valid too

Yeah some don't get mad at the articles but the negative press that these new york writers put out is annoying and at times has hurt us in free agency. I'm ready for the season to start and hope we're a good, solid team but even if we're playing good next season and guys like Rose, Noah and Melo are staying pretty healthy they'll still find reasons to write BS articles about shyt.

i dont agree that it hurt us in free agency. Lack of cap space and the fact that we sucked for mostly 16 years was the bigger issues

I think it adds to the problem if players feel they'd be embarrassed by signing with the Knicks. That's why it was so important that Amar'e signed and that we traded for Rose. It helped to counter the narrative by putting a player others respect in the mix. It doesn't have to be the biggest issue but it is an issue when the press constantly talks down the Knicks and makes a joke out of the franchise, whether they deserve it or not.

The thing is that this Knicks roster is not too late. Even if we did add players who after injury are not what they once were. The addition of these players has given this roster much greater functionality, balance and depth. This team is unique among recent Knicks rosters. This team has more players who are capable of creating their own offense if needed. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Jennings especially but others also have some ability to create. It makes the team much harder to deal with than we've seen recently.

The roster has more flexibility to play the style that Hornacek wants to play. I see no way for teams to easily deal with the scoring threats the Knicks have as in the past, playing in the style that JH will bring to the team. Pushing the ball more often and looking to attack quickly with Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Noah and Jennings will be terrifying for teams to deal with. One missed assignment in transition could be fatal. That's why I think this team has a very good chance to be very successful this year. It's not just one or 2 guys you have to worry about. It's not going to be 100% predictable what the Knicks are gonna do every time down either.

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nixluva wrote:

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newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand the skepticism regarding rose and noah because of their injury history. However i think the lee and jennings signings were solid, willy looks like a player, and we have a rising superstar in KP. Personally i dont get upset at articles like some do. Sure i dont agree with some of their opinions but other opinions are valid too

Yeah some don't get mad at the articles but the negative press that these new york writers put out is annoying and at times has hurt us in free agency. I'm ready for the season to start and hope we're a good, solid team but even if we're playing good next season and guys like Rose, Noah and Melo are staying pretty healthy they'll still find reasons to write BS articles about shyt.

i dont agree that it hurt us in free agency. Lack of cap space and the fact that we sucked for mostly 16 years was the bigger issues

I think it adds to the problem if players feel they'd be embarrassed by signing with the Knicks. That's why it was so important that Amar'e signed and that we traded for Rose. It helped to counter the narrative by putting a player others respect in the mix. It doesn't have to be the biggest issue but it is an issue when the press constantly talks down the Knicks and makes a joke out of the franchise, whether they deserve it or not.

The thing is that this Knicks roster is not too late. Even if we did add players who after injury are not what they once were. The addition of these players has given this roster much greater functionality, balance and depth. This team is unique among recent Knicks rosters. This team has more players who are capable of creating their own offense if needed. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Jennings especially but others also have some ability to create. It makes the team much harder to deal with than we've seen recently.

The roster has more flexibility to play the style that Hornacek wants to play. I see no way for teams to easily deal with the scoring threats the Knicks have as in the past, playing in the style that JH will bring to the team. Pushing the ball more often and looking to attack quickly with Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Noah and Jennings will be terrifying for teams to deal with. One missed assignment in transition could be fatal. That's why I think this team has a very good chance to be very successful this year. It's not just one or 2 guys you have to worry about. It's not going to be 100% predictable what the Knicks are gonna do every time down either.

i agree about amare. The Rose trade wasnt as big as drafting KP. I think players see KP as a rising superstar and he will draw players in

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nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand the skepticism regarding rose and noah because of their injury history. However i think the lee and jennings signings were solid, willy looks like a player, and we have a rising superstar in KP. Personally i dont get upset at articles like some do. Sure i dont agree with some of their opinions but other opinions are valid too

Yeah some don't get mad at the articles but the negative press that these new york writers put out is annoying and at times has hurt us in free agency. I'm ready for the season to start and hope we're a good, solid team but even if we're playing good next season and guys like Rose, Noah and Melo are staying pretty healthy they'll still find reasons to write BS articles about shyt.

i dont agree that it hurt us in free agency. Lack of cap space and the fact that we sucked for mostly 16 years was the bigger issues

I think it adds to the problem if players feel they'd be embarrassed by signing with the Knicks. That's why it was so important that Amar'e signed and that we traded for Rose. It helped to counter the narrative by putting a player others respect in the mix. It doesn't have to be the biggest issue but it is an issue when the press constantly talks down the Knicks and makes a joke out of the franchise, whether they deserve it or not.

The thing is that this Knicks roster is not too late. Even if we did add players who after injury are not what they once were. The addition of these players has given this roster much greater functionality, balance and depth. This team is unique among recent Knicks rosters. This team has more players who are capable of creating their own offense if needed. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Jennings especially but others also have some ability to create. It makes the team much harder to deal with than we've seen recently.

The roster has more flexibility to play the style that Hornacek wants to play. I see no way for teams to easily deal with the scoring threats the Knicks have as in the past, playing in the style that JH will bring to the team. Pushing the ball more often and looking to attack quickly with Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Noah and Jennings will be terrifying for teams to deal with. One missed assignment in transition could be fatal. That's why I think this team has a very good chance to be very successful this year. It's not just one or 2 guys you have to worry about. It's not going to be 100% predictable what the Knicks are gonna do every time down either.

i agree about amare. The Rose trade wasnt as big as drafting KP. I think players see KP as a rising superstar and he will draw players in

The PROMISE of KP is greater but in terms of how vet players actually see the Knicks Rose helped a TON. We all know the potential of KP and while there is a lot of excitement about what he can eventually become, other players who have played with and against Rose over the years have a certain respect for him that isn't conceptual it's actual based on their experiences playing with Rose. It's hard to erase the memories of how good Rose was despite the health issues. Opponents still fear and respect Rose. He's not exactly the same as pre injury but still very capable. I think he's actually learning how to be effective at this stage of his career with less explosiveness. People seem not to understand that it takes time to learn new tricks after you used to be a freak athlete.

Dude ive been following Rose since he played at Simeon(benji wilson) so i know what he is capable of despite the injuries. However players like KP are pretty rare. A guy well over 7 feet who can move like a guard,can shoot, and also has a tough mentality. That is a huge draw

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nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand the skepticism regarding rose and noah because of their injury history. However i think the lee and jennings signings were solid, willy looks like a player, and we have a rising superstar in KP. Personally i dont get upset at articles like some do. Sure i dont agree with some of their opinions but other opinions are valid too

Yeah some don't get mad at the articles but the negative press that these new york writers put out is annoying and at times has hurt us in free agency. I'm ready for the season to start and hope we're a good, solid team but even if we're playing good next season and guys like Rose, Noah and Melo are staying pretty healthy they'll still find reasons to write BS articles about shyt.

i dont agree that it hurt us in free agency. Lack of cap space and the fact that we sucked for mostly 16 years was the bigger issues

I think it adds to the problem if players feel they'd be embarrassed by signing with the Knicks. That's why it was so important that Amar'e signed and that we traded for Rose. It helped to counter the narrative by putting a player others respect in the mix. It doesn't have to be the biggest issue but it is an issue when the press constantly talks down the Knicks and makes a joke out of the franchise, whether they deserve it or not.

The thing is that this Knicks roster is not too late. Even if we did add players who after injury are not what they once were. The addition of these players has given this roster much greater functionality, balance and depth. This team is unique among recent Knicks rosters. This team has more players who are capable of creating their own offense if needed. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Jennings especially but others also have some ability to create. It makes the team much harder to deal with than we've seen recently.

The roster has more flexibility to play the style that Hornacek wants to play. I see no way for teams to easily deal with the scoring threats the Knicks have as in the past, playing in the style that JH will bring to the team. Pushing the ball more often and looking to attack quickly with Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Noah and Jennings will be terrifying for teams to deal with. One missed assignment in transition could be fatal. That's why I think this team has a very good chance to be very successful this year. It's not just one or 2 guys you have to worry about. It's not going to be 100% predictable what the Knicks are gonna do every time down either.

i agree about amare. The Rose trade wasnt as big as drafting KP. I think players see KP as a rising superstar and he will draw players in

The PROMISE of KP is greater but in terms of how vet players actually see the Knicks Rose helped a TON. We all know the potential of KP and while there is a lot of excitement about what he can eventually become, other players who have played with and against Rose over the years have a certain respect for him that isn't conceptual it's actual based on their experiences playing with Rose. It's hard to erase the memories of how good Rose was despite the health issues. Opponents still fear and respect Rose. He's not exactly the same as pre injury but still very capable. I think he's actually learning how to be effective at this stage of his career with less explosiveness. People seem not to understand that it takes time to learn new tricks after you used to be a freak athlete.

Dude ive been following Rose since he played at Simeon(benji wilson) so i know what he is capable of despite the injuries. However players like KP are pretty rare. A guy well over 7 feet who can move like a guard,can shoot, and also has a tough mentality. That is a huge draw

I agree that KP is a draw, but i'm telling you that in terms of how VET NBA players look at the Knicks it made a huge difference to add Rose. Rose is the add that impacts how everyone else plays because he's a PG. Rose has a history in the league with those same vets and they respect him on another level from a Rookie who is still building his reputation. Rose was the leader of his team and an MVP winner so that is still how he is viewed. KP is of course an exciting new player but HE DOES NOT have the same history with players in this league that Rose does. KP is on the rise to be sure, but he's yet to solidify what he is with a strong 2nd season.

Bigs: KP, Noah, KOQ, Willie
Forwards Melo, Thomas, Mindas, Ndour
Guards Rose, Jennings, Lee, Holiday

May not be a championship team as of yet. But between the youth, having all our picks, cap flexibility, quality vets, innovative coach. We have elevated from laughing stock shooting ourselves in the foot to a normal solid basketball operation.

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StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand the skepticism regarding rose and noah because of their injury history. However i think the lee and jennings signings were solid, willy looks like a player, and we have a rising superstar in KP. Personally i dont get upset at articles like some do. Sure i dont agree with some of their opinions but other opinions are valid too

Yeah some don't get mad at the articles but the negative press that these new york writers put out is annoying and at times has hurt us in free agency. I'm ready for the season to start and hope we're a good, solid team but even if we're playing good next season and guys like Rose, Noah and Melo are staying pretty healthy they'll still find reasons to write BS articles about shyt.

i dont agree that it hurt us in free agency. Lack of cap space and the fact that we sucked for mostly 16 years was the bigger issues

I think it adds to the problem if players feel they'd be embarrassed by signing with the Knicks. That's why it was so important that Amar'e signed and that we traded for Rose. It helped to counter the narrative by putting a player others respect in the mix. It doesn't have to be the biggest issue but it is an issue when the press constantly talks down the Knicks and makes a joke out of the franchise, whether they deserve it or not.

The thing is that this Knicks roster is not too late. Even if we did add players who after injury are not what they once were. The addition of these players has given this roster much greater functionality, balance and depth. This team is unique among recent Knicks rosters. This team has more players who are capable of creating their own offense if needed. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Jennings especially but others also have some ability to create. It makes the team much harder to deal with than we've seen recently.

The roster has more flexibility to play the style that Hornacek wants to play. I see no way for teams to easily deal with the scoring threats the Knicks have as in the past, playing in the style that JH will bring to the team. Pushing the ball more often and looking to attack quickly with Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Noah and Jennings will be terrifying for teams to deal with. One missed assignment in transition could be fatal. That's why I think this team has a very good chance to be very successful this year. It's not just one or 2 guys you have to worry about. It's not going to be 100% predictable what the Knicks are gonna do every time down either.

i agree about amare. The Rose trade wasnt as big as drafting KP. I think players see KP as a rising superstar and he will draw players in

The PROMISE of KP is greater but in terms of how vet players actually see the Knicks Rose helped a TON. We all know the potential of KP and while there is a lot of excitement about what he can eventually become, other players who have played with and against Rose over the years have a certain respect for him that isn't conceptual it's actual based on their experiences playing with Rose. It's hard to erase the memories of how good Rose was despite the health issues. Opponents still fear and respect Rose. He's not exactly the same as pre injury but still very capable. I think he's actually learning how to be effective at this stage of his career with less explosiveness. People seem not to understand that it takes time to learn new tricks after you used to be a freak athlete.

Dude ive been following Rose since he played at Simeon(benji wilson) so i know what he is capable of despite the injuries. However players like KP are pretty rare. A guy well over 7 feet who can move like a guard,can shoot, and also has a tough mentality. That is a huge draw

I agree that KP is a draw, but i'm telling you that in terms of how VET NBA players look at the Knicks it made a huge difference to add Rose. Rose is the add that impacts how everyone else plays because he's a PG. Rose has a history in the league with those same vets and they respect him on another level from a Rookie who is still building his reputation. Rose was the leader of his team and an MVP winner so that is still how he is viewed. KP is of course an exciting new player but HE DOES NOT have the same history with players in this league that Rose does. KP is on the rise to be sure, but he's yet to solidify what he is with a strong 2nd season.

see you're doing this thing you do once again: speculate yourself into the narrative you prefer without actually having any grounding in accuracy or facts or dare i say reality.

you make it sound like kp6 hasn't already proven himself to the league. he played 72 games and has earned a reputation already. that's a fact.

you're also telling yourself that this is now rose's team because he is the "point guard" when it is a fact that he can't orchestrate an offense to save his life. nor is he isn't a leader of men, that too is a fact. in fact, it's going to be tough to get respect with a sordid sexual assault trial as a backdrop. you might dismiss the trial as of no consequence to him (you are wrong) but it is not going to be tuned out by fans and certainly not the press. it's human nature. mind you these are all facts. will you find fault with his teammates if they can't tune it out the way you hope and pray rose, the fanbase, and the press will?

now from facts-- not from conjecture and fantasy like you like to do-- you can draw conclusions. my conclusion is that this isn't derrick rose's team. he is on a one-year audition and hopes to pass that audition by remaining healthy. kp6 is on a four-year contract with 3 years left.

meanwhile melo has shown in these olympics that he has no lift around the basket. so... whose team is it again?

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newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand the skepticism regarding rose and noah because of their injury history. However i think the lee and jennings signings were solid, willy looks like a player, and we have a rising superstar in KP. Personally i dont get upset at articles like some do. Sure i dont agree with some of their opinions but other opinions are valid too

Yeah some don't get mad at the articles but the negative press that these new york writers put out is annoying and at times has hurt us in free agency. I'm ready for the season to start and hope we're a good, solid team but even if we're playing good next season and guys like Rose, Noah and Melo are staying pretty healthy they'll still find reasons to write BS articles about shyt.

i dont agree that it hurt us in free agency. Lack of cap space and the fact that we sucked for mostly 16 years was the bigger issues

Well if you read what i said you'll see that i said that "at times it has hurt us in free agency" (which it has) so i wasn't talking about this last free agency which it obviously didn't hurt us.

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dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I understand the skepticism regarding rose and noah because of their injury history. However i think the lee and jennings signings were solid, willy looks like a player, and we have a rising superstar in KP. Personally i dont get upset at articles like some do. Sure i dont agree with some of their opinions but other opinions are valid too

Yeah some don't get mad at the articles but the negative press that these new york writers put out is annoying and at times has hurt us in free agency. I'm ready for the season to start and hope we're a good, solid team but even if we're playing good next season and guys like Rose, Noah and Melo are staying pretty healthy they'll still find reasons to write BS articles about shyt.

i dont agree that it hurt us in free agency. Lack of cap space and the fact that we sucked for mostly 16 years was the bigger issues

I think it adds to the problem if players feel they'd be embarrassed by signing with the Knicks. That's why it was so important that Amar'e signed and that we traded for Rose. It helped to counter the narrative by putting a player others respect in the mix. It doesn't have to be the biggest issue but it is an issue when the press constantly talks down the Knicks and makes a joke out of the franchise, whether they deserve it or not.

The thing is that this Knicks roster is not too late. Even if we did add players who after injury are not what they once were. The addition of these players has given this roster much greater functionality, balance and depth. This team is unique among recent Knicks rosters. This team has more players who are capable of creating their own offense if needed. Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Jennings especially but others also have some ability to create. It makes the team much harder to deal with than we've seen recently.

The roster has more flexibility to play the style that Hornacek wants to play. I see no way for teams to easily deal with the scoring threats the Knicks have as in the past, playing in the style that JH will bring to the team. Pushing the ball more often and looking to attack quickly with Rose, Lee, Melo, KP, Noah and Jennings will be terrifying for teams to deal with. One missed assignment in transition could be fatal. That's why I think this team has a very good chance to be very successful this year. It's not just one or 2 guys you have to worry about. It's not going to be 100% predictable what the Knicks are gonna do every time down either.

i agree about amare. The Rose trade wasnt as big as drafting KP. I think players see KP as a rising superstar and he will draw players in

The PROMISE of KP is greater but in terms of how vet players actually see the Knicks Rose helped a TON. We all know the potential of KP and while there is a lot of excitement about what he can eventually become, other players who have played with and against Rose over the years have a certain respect for him that isn't conceptual it's actual based on their experiences playing with Rose. It's hard to erase the memories of how good Rose was despite the health issues. Opponents still fear and respect Rose. He's not exactly the same as pre injury but still very capable. I think he's actually learning how to be effective at this stage of his career with less explosiveness. People seem not to understand that it takes time to learn new tricks after you used to be a freak athlete.

Dude ive been following Rose since he played at Simeon(benji wilson) so i know what he is capable of despite the injuries. However players like KP are pretty rare. A guy well over 7 feet who can move like a guard,can shoot, and also has a tough mentality. That is a huge draw

I agree that KP is a draw, but i'm telling you that in terms of how VET NBA players look at the Knicks it made a huge difference to add Rose. Rose is the add that impacts how everyone else plays because he's a PG. Rose has a history in the league with those same vets and they respect him on another level from a Rookie who is still building his reputation. Rose was the leader of his team and an MVP winner so that is still how he is viewed. KP is of course an exciting new player but HE DOES NOT have the same history with players in this league that Rose does. KP is on the rise to be sure, but he's yet to solidify what he is with a strong 2nd season.

see you're doing this thing you do once again: speculate yourself into the narrative you prefer without actually having any grounding in accuracy or facts or dare i say reality.

you make it sound like kp6 hasn't already proven himself to the league. he played 72 games and has earned a reputation already. that's a fact.

you're also telling yourself that this is now rose's team because he is the "point guard" when it is a fact that he can't orchestrate an offense to save his life. nor is he isn't a leader of men, that too is a fact. in fact, it's going to be tough to get respect with a sordid sexual assault trial as a backdrop. you might dismiss the trial as of no consequence to him (you are wrong) but it is not going to be tuned out by fans and certainly not the press. it's human nature. mind you these are all facts. will you find fault with his teammates if they can't tune it out the way you hope and pray rose, the fanbase, and the press will?

now from facts-- not from conjecture and fantasy like you like to do-- you can draw conclusions. my conclusion is that this isn't derrick rose's team. he is on a one-year audition and hopes to pass that audition by remaining healthy. kp6 is on a four-year contract with 3 years left.

meanwhile melo has shown in these olympics that he has no lift around the basket. so... whose team is it again?

I'm very much rooted in facts and not fantasy. I LOVE KP so let's not make this thing into something that it's not. Also I NEVER said that this is Rose's team. Once again you are trying to put words in my mouth. All I did say was that Rose has a proven record that other NBA Vets respect. They've played against Rose and respect his talent. Rose has Playoff experience where he was the lead player. KP has yet to solidify who he is. I believe KP will prove to be a great player but he still hasn't even played his Sophomore season so you can't compare that to a former MVP of the league that lead a 62 win team. PERIOD!!!

We all believe KP is the future of the team but the Knicks needed more than just KP and so they added Rose and other vets in Noah, Lee and Jennings. Aside from Lee all these guys have had down years, coming off major injuries but they have at least PROVEN that they can play at a high level in the NBA in their careers. We don't need them to all achieve the heights they once achieved but if they can play well this team will be a winning team and help the younger guys like KP to excel as well. This isn't an either/or situation. It's all of them together.

The presence of Rose will make things easier for KP, Melo, Lee etc. Even off the ball Rose is still a threat when he's in motion. The distraction of the presence of Rose will open things up for everyone. Rose still gets up court quickly and gets into the paint regularly. Rose still has to make improvements in his game but I believe he is sufficiently motivated to make those improvements.

if hornacek is smart he will ask rose to leave the athleticism to others, such as kp6 and hopefully melo, but especially kp6, and preserve his body. he'll have to defer in order to preserve his body for the rigors. learn to shoot the midrange shots off picks and a stop dribble while lessening drives to the hoop, which is basically a one-man show that inhibits the best games from others.

he should try to run a good fastbreak, draw fouls by head and pump faking so he can raise his TS%. remember the formula is the mixing together of twos, threes, and free throws. 51% is just plain awful so he needs to take fewer difficult (and stupid) shots, while drawing more fouls. THAT would be a recipe for success for derrick rose, despite his godawful defense.