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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
7/31/2016 10:25 AM LAST EDITED: 7/31/2016 10:26 AM
All he does us hate on Phil. His "counter point" is every bit as disingenuous. He doesn't take into account that star players today like LeBron, Melo, Kyrie etc are far less coachable. And any coach that tries to make them play in ways they don't "approve" of, soon gets fired. The best players on today's teams no longer wants to meet and beat the competition but are only interested in having the competition join them so they won't have to work as hard. There definitely is a generational shift in both skill and attitude. You still have real team first stars like Duncan and Klay but they are dwindling fast. NBA Fans by and large celebrate individual "accomplishments" in a team game. Players are evolving to extricate more value from that market.
I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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NYKBocker
Posts: 38516 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
7/31/2016 11:46 AM
Stephen A is disgusting.
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
7/31/2016 11:54 AM
Nalod wrote:Dude is over reacting and over reaching on this one.......... I can't, i just can't do it. SAS is an absolute clown and i couldn't make it through the first 2 minutes of that clip cause his voice gives me anger. |
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
7/31/2016 12:51 PM
Fuuuuuuck Stephen A Smith. And also ESPN.
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Nalod
Posts: 72113 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
7/31/2016 1:14 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:All he does us hate on Phil. His "counter point" is every bit as disingenuous. He doesn't take into account that star players today like LeBron, Melo, Kyrie etc are far less coachable. And any coach that tries to make them play in ways they don't "approve" of, soon gets fired. The best players on today's teams no longer wants to meet and beat the competition but are only interested in having the competition join them so they won't have to work as hard. There definitely is a generational shift in both skill and attitude. You still have real team first stars like Duncan and Klay but they are dwindling fast. NBA Fans by and large celebrate individual "accomplishments" in a team game. Players are evolving to extricate more value from that market. Good points. We as fans do it also. WE compare "Lebron to Jordan" and yet forget the so many variables that go into how championships are won. Of course, there is the SAS who puts team first and its players are picked based their ability work hard and play within the structure, and still be adaptable to its change. Why do I give phil so much benefit of the doubt? His core values are learned from Red Holzman and those legacy championships are the base of my knick fandom. Phil was an assistant to doug collins so he had some time to get into jordans head. Screamin A. is really just making a scene. I think Phil has a point and I think its why he might have gone with Hornacek as a way of compromise. Lots of teams use elements of the triangle. So what was the mini camp about at the end of the season and the hard rumors that Rambis was the pick to be coach? I really don't know, and you know what? to me its about results. What ever the process, Hornacek is the coach and Phil respects the hell out of him. Since Phil likes to phuck with players heads, maybe calling them out about not having the skills to be triangle centric is his way issuing a challenge? Screaming A. has had it for Phil since he walked in the door. He leads the starphuch unrealistic expectations of some fans into an ignorant frenzy! |
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Swishfm3
Posts: 23343 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/28/2003 Member: #392 |
7/31/2016 2:00 PM
I am one of the few, on this site, that doesn't mind Stephen A. Smith and actually watch and enjoy, "First Take". Max Kellerman is a great addition to the cast and will actually challenge Stephen A. Smith, unlike Skip Bayless.
With that said...I don't see anything wrong with what he said. Actually think what he said, was spot on and a point I have read from some members on this site in the past. |
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Moonangie
Posts: 24767 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 7/9/2009 Member: #2788 |
7/31/2016 8:04 PM
He clearly IS a disgruntled Knicks fan, but he's also a tool and a whiny biatch. I abhor him.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
7/31/2016 9:21 PM
Max was SPOT ON in his analysis of what is actually happening. Phil has made a HUGE turn from what he was doing to bring in Hornacek, Rose and Jennings etc. Clearly looking to play a more modern style of ball that's easier for his players to grasp. Phil clearly came to the conclusion that he had to move in this direction. He's NEVER had even one ball dominant PG and now he has two!!! This after saying they didn't need star PG's. So that tells you that he's making a shift to a different style of ball in order to WIN GAMES!!! That's the most important thing and as Max said every true Knicks fan should be rejoicing that Phil has made this major change of mind. Don't let the Triangle talk fool you. Sure they'll run some Side Triangle sets but this isn't about the Pure Triangle anymore. Phil is too proud to just say the Triangle itself is no longer relevant. He's just not going to say that.
SAS is a damned fool. His bias against Phil is not only annoying but it's unprofessional. He's been making some of the worst comments over the last few years regarding Phil. From his original comments over drafting KP to the calls for Phil to bring in a "big name" or else he's a failure comments. SAS spouts pure garbage when it comes to Phil. He never addressed the actual merit of the moves and how the players and coach fit. |
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blkexec
Posts: 28447 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
7/31/2016 9:29 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:I am one of the few, on this site, that doesn't mind Stephen A. Smith and actually watch and enjoy, "First Take". Max Kellerman is a great addition to the cast and will actually challenge Stephen A. Smith, unlike Skip Bayless. +1 Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
The future is bright, I'm a Knicks fan for life!
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blkexec
Posts: 28447 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
7/31/2016 9:42 PM
SAS is the voice for all Phill haters......who are currently going into hidding right now after the rose trade.....waiting for the next major injury before they back out the closet. The only difference is SAS doesn't hide. Part of SAS frustration is jealousy. He wanted the Knicks GM job and didn't think Phil deserved the position. And he's said it before that more minority employees should have more executive roles. He believes there are and was more qualified GMs on the market before phil took the position. And I would agree with that. Phil was hired for the same reason rose was traded. To attract marquee players. Phil hasn't done that yet and SAS isn't afraid to call him out on that promise, which is why phil was brought in.
Phil is also the perfect target for SAS push for minorities to obtain leadership roles in the NBA. He also believes that phil wouldn't have gotten those 11 rings if he didn't have the best NBA players in the world on one team. So I see nothing different from SAS and typical phil haters. The only difference is SAS has an ESPN platform.....and some people don't like his tone or screaming. Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
The future is bright, I'm a Knicks fan for life!
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
7/31/2016 9:48 PM
smith is fuglier than ever.
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
7/31/2016 10:18 PM
blkexec wrote:SAS is the voice for all Phill haters......who are currently going into hidding right now after the rose trade.....waiting for the next major injury before they back out the closet. The only difference is SAS doesn't hide. Part of SAS frustration is jealousy. He wanted the Knicks GM job and didn't think Phil deserved the position. And he's said it before that more minority employees should have more executive roles. He believes there are and was more qualified GMs on the market before phil took the position. And I would agree with that. Phil was hired for the same reason rose was traded. To attract marquee players. Phil hasn't done that yet and SAS isn't afraid to call him out on that promise, which is why phil was brought in. SAS is overplaying the idea that Phil was brought in only to bring in marquee players. Sure the idea was that Phil could help but no one can guarantee star players will sign with any team. The real PRIMARY job Phil had was to build a foundation for the franchise and to build a winning team. The franchise was a mess and Phil has not been afraid to make changes. Phil had the one pick and he made it count. This city lacks patience so I can understand why Phil took the risks he did this summer. To be honest not a lot of Marquee players changed teams the last 2 years. Durant was the real prize and he had better options to choose from. SAS bringing up DWade instead of Lee is just too much. The fact is that Phil still has options to bring in a Marquee player next summer. So it's not like he's closed the door on his options. Phil has been smart to keep his options open every summer. Now if the team has a winning season and good playoff run, he will increase his chances of signing top players. So IMO Phil has been making the right moves. |
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StarksEwing1
Posts: 32671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/28/2012 Member: #4451 |
7/31/2016 10:29 PM
nixluva wrote:yeah i think SAS has a bone to pick with phil, and goes out of his way to bash him which isnt fair to phil. However that doesnt mean phil has been great. Objectively he has made both good and questionable movesblkexec wrote:SAS is the voice for all Phill haters......who are currently going into hidding right now after the rose trade.....waiting for the next major injury before they back out the closet. The only difference is SAS doesn't hide. Part of SAS frustration is jealousy. He wanted the Knicks GM job and didn't think Phil deserved the position. And he's said it before that more minority employees should have more executive roles. He believes there are and was more qualified GMs on the market before phil took the position. And I would agree with that. Phil was hired for the same reason rose was traded. To attract marquee players. Phil hasn't done that yet and SAS isn't afraid to call him out on that promise, which is why phil was brought in. |
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blkexec
Posts: 28447 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
7/31/2016 10:32 PM
nixluva wrote:blkexec wrote:SAS is the voice for all Phill haters......who are currently going into hidding right now after the rose trade.....waiting for the next major injury before they back out the closet. The only difference is SAS doesn't hide. Part of SAS frustration is jealousy. He wanted the Knicks GM job and didn't think Phil deserved the position. And he's said it before that more minority employees should have more executive roles. He believes there are and was more qualified GMs on the market before phil took the position. And I would agree with that. Phil was hired for the same reason rose was traded. To attract marquee players. Phil hasn't done that yet and SAS isn't afraid to call him out on that promise, which is why phil was brought in. Everybody has their own expectations and phil hasn't met SAS expectations......since he has the platform, his voice is heard the loudest. If you were expecting phil to bring in superstars, he has failed so far. If you were expecting phil to bring in his triangle system and provide a system that everybody can flourish, he failed. So its really what your expectations of phil was.....mixed in with jealousy or hatred then fans like SAS are born. Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
The future is bright, I'm a Knicks fan for life!
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arkrud
Posts: 32217 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 8/31/2005 Member: #995 USA |
7/31/2016 11:06 PM
Some make money by working and some by screaming.
Everyone uses the tools which work best for him. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
8/1/2016 12:18 AM
blkexec wrote:nixluva wrote:blkexec wrote:SAS is the voice for all Phill haters......who are currently going into hidding right now after the rose trade.....waiting for the next major injury before they back out the closet. The only difference is SAS doesn't hide. Part of SAS frustration is jealousy. He wanted the Knicks GM job and didn't think Phil deserved the position. And he's said it before that more minority employees should have more executive roles. He believes there are and was more qualified GMs on the market before phil took the position. And I would agree with that. Phil was hired for the same reason rose was traded. To attract marquee players. Phil hasn't done that yet and SAS isn't afraid to call him out on that promise, which is why phil was brought in. I wouldn't say it's a failure. Phil learned a lot by losing in the 1st 2 years. To me it's never been about the Triangle. The System is simply a means to an end and if it has to change so be it. That's really the main message Phil is sending. The Triangle is flexible enough to adapt and still maintain a lot of the core principles. The Triangle has without a doubt changed a lot since Sam Barry invented the offense back in 1930's. It's evolved over the decades and now Phil is basically allowing Hornacek to update the system again. But more importantly Phil is loosening up the reins to allow for Hornacek to do a lot of the things he prefers to do offensively. The Triangle wasn't the goal. Winning was the goal and Phil believed the Triangle would help facilitate that, but now he has come to realize that with the players today he has to take a different approach. SAS simply doesn't understand what Phil is doing. The move to Hornacek, Rose, Noah, Lee and Jennings is something Knicks fans should be celebrating. SAS may not get it but with each summer Phil has actually moved the team closer to what SAS says he wants. You can't just go from a losing team with no future and hope to convince the best players to come. However, if Phil can get this team winning with KP showing he's the future then you have a much greater chance of eventually getting top players to sign. SAS is too impatient and observant to notice what Phil is doing and why it makes the most sense. |
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ChuckBuck
Posts: 28851 Alba Posts: 11 Joined: 1/3/2012 Member: #3806 USA |
8/1/2016 9:13 AM
Max Kellerman is such an upgrade to Skip Bayless, it's not even funny.
Guy actually knows how to explain his point coherently with examples. Dude knows sports, especially boxing. |
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
8/1/2016 11:28 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:I am one of the few, on this site, that doesn't mind Stephen A. Smith and actually watch and enjoy, "First Take". Max Kellerman is a great addition to the cast and will actually challenge Stephen A. Smith, unlike Skip Bayless. 100% agree ES
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EnySpree
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8/1/2016 11:38 AM
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