For Derrick Rose, the 2016-17 NBA season is a chance to start over. New city. New uniform. New teammates.

For the rest of us, his move from the Chicago Bulls to the New York Knicks is a long-overdue wake-up call—the ultimate reminder that Rose needs this clean slate.

We assume the ACL tear in his left knee during the 2012 postseason derailed an all-time career trajectory. We rationalize the 27-year-old's future and place in the league by assuring ourselves he can be a quality point guard, maybe the outline of superstar, because of what he accomplished in 2010-11, as a 22-year-old.

Three knee surgeries and countless injuries later, the "youngest MVP in NBA history" distinction Rose once wore like a crown has, in essence, become a multiyear millstone. Even with all that's changed, he is still linked to notoriety from his past—and bound to an unfair vision of his future.

“I think I’ve been snubbed a year or two,” four-time MVP LeBron James told the Beacon Journal's Jason Lloyd in February of his Maurice Podoloff Trophy collection. “I should have probably five or six right now, to be completely honest.”

It doesn't take much effort to pull back James' thin veil.

He finished a distant third on the MVP ladder in 2010-11, receiving only four of a possible 121 first-place votes. Rose cornered the market with 113 first-place nods, nearly doubling the total score of runner-up Dwight Howard.

Justifications for Rose's landslide victory, in retrospect, read more like excuses.

Carlos Boozer posted the second-highest usage rate on that Bulls team! Joakim Noah appeared in just 48 games! James had two superstars, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade, on his side! Ugh, come on, James just secured two consecutive MVP awards; it's someone else's turn!

Yes, Rose was indispensable to that 62-win Bulls squad. They played like a top-10 offense with him on the court and devolved into a smoldering heap when he sat, with a 98.9 offensive rating that would have ranked dead last. That they finished first in the Eastern Conference at a time when the Miami Heat's villainous Big Three was supposed to steamroll the rest of the NBA played a pivotal part in Rose's ascension.

But the Bulls' calling card was still their defense. They fielded the Association's best points-prevention system—one that improved when Rose stepped off the floor. He barely ranked as an above-average defender that season, according to NBAMath.com.

Historically, MVP winners dominate some of the most common statistical measuring sticks, including win shares per 48 minutes, player efficiency rating (PER) and box plus-minus (BPM)—the latter of which shows how much better the average team is per 100 possessions with a given player on the court. Rose's 2010-11 efforts never held up to that billing.

Twenty-three of the 37 MVP winners from the three-point era have finished inside the top three of each category. James led all of those subsections in 2010-11; Rose only ranked in the top three of one (BPM). His average placement across all three departments was seventh, which is the fifth-worst mark for an MVP since 1980. He's ahead of only Kobe Bryant (2008), Allen Iverson (2001) and Steve Nash (2005, 2006).

Nash's MVP seasons inoculate Rose against an even lower standing. But, unlike the rest of the field, Nash was neither a high-usage shooter nor volume scorer. He jacked fewer than 14 shots per 36 minutes during each of his MVP crusades, whereas Rose launched 19.

Take into account Nash's superior efficiency, and Rose comes off even worse. Chicago's floor general posted the fourth-lowest true shooting percentage—combined measurement of two-point, three-point and free-throw efficiency—of any recent MVP:

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nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:Pretty much everything I have been saying. Thanks anyway.

Forgive me but I don't remember what you've been saying about Rose. Perhaps you could clarify your take on Rose for us.

He has been vastly overrated and in no way should have been awarded the MVP. He still has a lot to prove and I mean especially in the shot selection category. He should work on deferring to KP6 and Melo and probably in that order. Twelve shots per game and a usage of no more edthan 25%. He also has some sketchy character issues which should give you pause. He also needs to find perimeter players on his reckless forays into the lane and not merely his pickers. Lastly, he needs to show a n eagerness to defend the position because he has flat out sucked at it his entire career. Since you almost never address defense you might dwell on that, especially since an eagerness to defend tends to be closely related to character.

EnySpree wrote:Good article...

We shouldn't be arguing about Rose being MVP Rose.... he just needs to be the Rose he's always been. Which is the same player. He's a east to west player. Go hard to the rim. Anything else is gravy.

Bottom line, the Knicks got better. Hallelujah

we better hope that he is not the player that he has been the last few years.

BigRedDog wrote:He will be the best PG NY has seen since Strickland ( here way too short)/ Frazier. NY is going to love the way Rose plays.

Harper! I liked Strickland, but he was a bit of a diva.

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:Pretty much everything I have been saying. Thanks anyway.

Forgive me but I don't remember what you've been saying about Rose. Perhaps you could clarify your take on Rose for us.

He has been vastly overrated and in no way should have been awarded the MVP. He still has a lot to prove and I mean especially in the shot selection category. He should work on deferring to KP6 and Melo and probably in that order. Twelve shots per game and a usage of no more edthan 25%. He also has some sketchy character issues which should give you pause. He also needs to find perimeter players on his reckless forays into the lane and not merely his pickers. Lastly, he needs to show a n eagerness to defend the position because he has flat out sucked at it his entire career. Since you almost never address defense you might dwell on that, especially since an eagerness to defend tends to be closely related to character.

Hmmmmmmm i don't remember you saying all that. Link??

newyorker4ever wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

dk7th wrote:Pretty much everything I have been saying. Thanks anyway.

Forgive me but I don't remember what you've been saying about Rose. Perhaps you could clarify your take on Rose for us.

He has been vastly overrated and in no way should have been awarded the MVP. He still has a lot to prove and I mean especially in the shot selection category. He should work on deferring to KP6 and Melo and probably in that order. Twelve shots per game and a usage of no more edthan 25%. He also has some sketchy character issues which should give you pause. He also needs to find perimeter players on his reckless forays into the lane and not merely his pickers. Lastly, he needs to show a n eagerness to defend the position because he has flat out sucked at it his entire career. Since you almost never address defense you might dwell on that, especially since an eagerness to defend tends to be closely related to character.

Hmmmmmmm i don't remember you saying all that. Link??

Links to all of my posts on Rose? Not from a smartphone. Maybe somebody else can vouch in the meantime.

GustavBahler wrote:Remember this play? It cost the Spurs a trip to the Finals that year. Glad it wasn't us, lol.

That may appear to be Strickland's fault but it's actually Sean Elliot's screw up. Any player from NYC like Strick that made eye contact with his man on the wing would've naturally expected his dude to cut to the basket catch the perfectly thrown dime and bang it home. If Strick was guilty of anything it was in NOT recognizing that it was soft as butter Elliot out there hanging around the perimeter eager to chuck up a three with no time left on the clock, instead of aggressively driving to the hole. Coastal differences i guess

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Good article...

We shouldn't be arguing about Rose being MVP Rose.... he just needs to be the Rose he's always been. Which is the same player. He's a east to west player. Go hard to the rim. Anything else is gravy.

Bottom line, the Knicks got better. Hallelujah

we better hope that he is not the player that he has been the last few years.

Last year he was 16 and 4 in 31 mins.... if he could do that then I want that. Health is a concern but he's due to have a healthy year.... plus it's his contract year