Knickoftime wrote:

EnySpree wrote:On paper, the Knicks have a perfectly balanced starting 5.

Everything starts with your point guard. Derrick Rose pushes the ball and can't be guarded one on one regardless if he's loss a step or not. He's an adequate passer and a nba caliber defender. He's been upgraded to a decent 3pt shooter.

If you have a high use, scoring pg... you need a back court mate that is steady, can do it all but doesn't require the ball to be effective. That's Courtney Lee. He's a solid defender and he can shoot at a high percentage from 3. He has respectable take moves and can finish at the run or short range. He can facilitate as well as spread the floor.

With that type of back court you need a big that can receive the ball and score in a variety of spots on the court. That's Kristaps. He can post up, pick and roll, pick and pop, run the floor... he's going to clean up from the activity in the backcourt.

Since Kristap will be generating alot of attention, he's going to need a center to help him with rebounding and rim protection. That's Noah. Noah is also a great passer. He has great court awareness so he's going to fill lanes and be involved all over the court. He doesn't need shots but is dangerous all over the court with his ability to facilitate.

The Knicks have all bases covered. You can always need extra help inside. Extra rebounder, extra score. You will always need extra shooters too from the outside. South a scoring point guard and offensive minded power fwd you'll need an extra passer. A small fwd that can pay in any style. Plus you will always need a closer to make bad shots when you need them. That's Melo....

Health is a concern but I want to focus on the instant potential for this team to gel... it's incredible.

Our bench needs to have a hungry mix of players. Brandon Jennings wanted to be a Knick for 7 years. Willy is excited to play in nyc with his "brother". Our Lithuanian importso dream is to play in the nba and has been trying to get in for years. Holiday is eager to make a significant impact in a rotation. Lance goal is to leave the Knicks a winner...

This is a fantastic mix we have here. It's not about kool-aid or homerism. Being realistic doesn't always have to be negative

I'm optimistic about the team's chances as well (optimism is my default mode), but I can also see how this could go wrong.

I think your review is valid and possible so in that sense realistic, yes, but I don't know that I'd go so far as to say probable.

Possible, with a chance of thunderstorms.

I never carry umbrellaa in real life bro. I'm not afraid of the rain

EnySpree wrote:On paper, the Knicks have a perfectly balanced starting 5.

Everything starts with your point guard. Derrick Rose pushes the ball and can't be guarded one on one regardless if he's lost a step or not. He's an adequate passer and a nba caliber defender. He's been upgraded to a decent 3pt shooter.

If you have a high use, scoring pg... you need a back court mate that is steady, can do it all but doesn't require the ball to be effective. That's Courtney Lee. He's a solid defender and he can shoot at a high percentage from 3. He has respectable take moves and can finish at the rim or short range. He can facilitate as well as spread the floor.

With that type of back court you need a big that can receive the ball and score in a variety of spots on the court. That's Kristaps. He can post up, pick and roll, pick and pop, run the floor, spot up, face up... he's going to clean up from the activity in the backcourt.

Since Kristap will be generating alot of attention, he's going to need a center to help him with rebounding and rim protection. That's Noah. Noah is also a great passer. He has great court awareness so he's going to fill lanes and be involved all over the court. He doesn't need shots but is dangerous all over the court with his ability to facilitate.

The Knicks have all bases covered. You can always use extra help inside. Extra rebounder, extra scorer. You will always need extra shooters too from the outside. Since we have a scoring point guard and offensive minded power fwd you'll need an extra passer. A small fwd that can play in any style. Plus you will always need a closer to make bad shots when you need them. That's Melo....

Health is a concern but I want to focus on the instant potential for this team to gel... it's incredible.

Our bench needs to have a hungry mix of players. Brandon Jennings wanted to be a Knick for 7 years. Willy is excited to play in nyc with his "brother". Our Lithuanian import dreamed is to play in the nba and has been trying to get in for years. Holiday is eager to make a significant impact in a rotation. Lance goal is to leave the Knicks a winner...

This is a fantastic mix we have here. It's not about kool-aid or homerism. Being realistic doesn't always have to be negative

I agree completely. I'm excited about the potential of this lineup to become a "Greater than the sum of their parts" team... it has the potential IMHO, with the way the starting lineup pieces fit together on paper. And we have some real interesting potential on the bench. It could be a really exciting season... and if not... we still have our frickin draft pick!??!?

GustavBahler wrote:Was watching ESPN a few weeks ago, Sarah Spain was on, and the subject was Rose and Noah in NY. As she likes to remind people, Spain watches every Bulls game. Spain said that Noah was most effective as a passer when he's hitting his shots. Once he starts missing, defenders drop back and Noah holds on to the ball too long, and the offense stagnated.

Last season Noah had a good excuse with his shoulder, I guess we'll see what happens. Funny thing is its the same issue O'Quinn has. Hope they're both working on their jumper in the offseason.

Haven't watched the Bulls over the past years at all so I wonder about how the Paul Gasol move effected Noah, seems to be about a good a move as having Melo and Amare on the court at the same time. Also, don't know what to think of the revamped coaching staff last year for the Bulls and how it effected the team and Noah in particular.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Was watching ESPN a few weeks ago, Sarah Spain was on, and the subject was Rose and Noah in NY. As she likes to remind people, Spain watches every Bulls game. Spain said that Noah was most effective as a passer when he's hitting his shots. Once he starts missing, defenders drop back and Noah holds on to the ball too long, and the offense stagnated.

Last season Noah had a good excuse with his shoulder, I guess we'll see what happens. Funny thing is its the same issue O'Quinn has. Hope they're both working on their jumper in the offseason.

Haven't watched the Bulls over the past years at all so I wonder about how the Paul Gasol move effected Noah, seems to be about a good a move as having Melo and Amare on the court at the same time. Also, don't know what to think of the revamped coaching staff last year for the Bulls and how it effected the team and Noah in particular.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2016/06/30/joakim-noah-can-run-the-triangle-offense-for-the-knicks/

I any event I agree with EnySpree that this is a very balanced roster. Also that it's better suited to the uptempo style that Hornacek prefers to run.

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Was watching ESPN a few weeks ago, Sarah Spain was on, and the subject was Rose and Noah in NY. As she likes to remind people, Spain watches every Bulls game. Spain said that Noah was most effective as a passer when he's hitting his shots. Once he starts missing, defenders drop back and Noah holds on to the ball too long, and the offense stagnated.

Last season Noah had a good excuse with his shoulder, I guess we'll see what happens. Funny thing is its the same issue O'Quinn has. Hope they're both working on their jumper in the offseason.

I don't know that her view matches the available data.

Noah, while awful shooting the ball in his limited time last season, racked up assists per possession pretty much as often as ever. His assists rates have climbed in the last few years and remained steadily (and league-leadingly) high while his shooting efficiency has declined.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/noahjo01.html#advanced::none

I get the stats-aren't-all view, but I don't know you reconcile what has actually occurred with that anecdotal POV.

Noah shot the lowest shooting pct of his career last season, and doled out the fewest assists per game in 4 years. How do you reconcile that?

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Was watching ESPN a few weeks ago, Sarah Spain was on, and the subject was Rose and Noah in NY. As she likes to remind people, Spain watches every Bulls game. Spain said that Noah was most effective as a passer when he's hitting his shots. Once he starts missing, defenders drop back and Noah holds on to the ball too long, and the offense stagnated.

Last season Noah had a good excuse with his shoulder, I guess we'll see what happens. Funny thing is its the same issue O'Quinn has. Hope they're both working on their jumper in the offseason.

I don't know that her view matches the available data.

Noah, while awful shooting the ball in his limited time last season, racked up assists per possession pretty much as often as ever. His assists rates have climbed in the last few years and remained steadily (and league-leadingly) high while his shooting efficiency has declined.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/noahjo01.html#advanced::none

I get the stats-aren't-all view, but I don't know you reconcile what has actually occurred with that anecdotal POV.

Noah shot the lowest shooting pct of his career last season, and doled out the fewest assists per game in 4 years. How do you reconcile that?

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Was watching ESPN a few weeks ago, Sarah Spain was on, and the subject was Rose and Noah in NY. As she likes to remind people, Spain watches every Bulls game. Spain said that Noah was most effective as a passer when he's hitting his shots. Once he starts missing, defenders drop back and Noah holds on to the ball too long, and the offense stagnated.

Last season Noah had a good excuse with his shoulder, I guess we'll see what happens. Funny thing is its the same issue O'Quinn has. Hope they're both working on their jumper in the offseason.

I don't know that her view matches the available data.

Noah, while awful shooting the ball in his limited time last season, racked up assists per possession pretty much as often as ever. His assists rates have climbed in the last few years and remained steadily (and league-leadingly) high while his shooting efficiency has declined.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/noahjo01.html#advanced::none

I get the stats-aren't-all view, but I don't know you reconcile what has actually occurred with that anecdotal POV.

Noah shot the lowest shooting pct of his career last season, and doled out the fewest assists per game in 4 years. How do you reconcile that?

Perhaps one big factor was the changes Fred Hoiberg introduced. It's hard to really say without deep examination. That's the biggest factor just looking at the overall situation.

In all fairness, Noah came off the bench which would have lowered his assists. I guess we will find out this season.

crzymdups wrote:

ActionJackson wrote:

fishmike wrote:Good post Eny.

nice blend of two alpha scorers surrounded by 3 defensive guys will high end skill sets.

Let us not forget the huge strides Melo made in the Defense department last season. If Lee is guarding the top of the key and Melo is holding down the wing with Porzingis & Noah cleaning up mistakes at the rim, this could be a very good defensive squad.

Not to mention the potential for KP to become a very deadly third scoring option.

Also, DRose, KP, Jennings, and Sasha are all already working out together in LA!

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