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Finestrg
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7/10/2016  10:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2016  12:00 PM
We loaded up on vets--how many more do we need?? Raise your hand if you really want Drew Gooden or Sasha Vujacic.. Not me.. How about a little more youth & upside to balance things out/get excited about (still want to see some focus on building for the future) even if some of these guys wind up starting out in Westchester. I'd offer 3 year deals (1st year fully guaranteed) to the following four players:

Cat Barber
Spencer Dinwiddie
Thanasis Antetokounmpo
Christian Wood

There are others I really like as well (Yogi Ferrell, Terrico White, Corey Walden) but those 4 would be perfect.

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7/10/2016  10:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2016  10:55 AM
Finestrg wrote:We loaded up on vets--how many more do we need?? Raise your hand if you really want Drew Gooden.. Not me.. How about a little more youth & upside to balance things out/get excited about (still want to see some focus on building for the future) even if some of these guys wind up starting out in Westchester. I'd offer 3 year deals (1st year fully guaranteed) to the following four players:

Cat Barber
Spencer Dinwiddie
Thanasis Antetokounmpo
Christian Wood

There are others I really like as well (Yogi Ferrell, Terrico White, Corey Walden) but those 4 would be perfect.

Actual # is 3.

I think if Antetokounmpo had any interest in the KNicks and vice versa he'd have been on the summer league team.

Otherwise, I suspect the last 3 rosters spots will consist of Baker (who already has a partial guarantee and did nothing to make the Knicks rethink his spot), a veteran big and Vujacic (as indicated by some press outlets after Friday's news conference).

Randle may be on the outside looking in.

As is, the Knicks would have four rookies on their roster - Hernangomez, Kuzminskas, Baker, Plumlee, which interestingly enough. might be the most in the league.

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7/10/2016  11:18 AM
Finestrg wrote:We loaded up on vets--how many more do we need?? Raise your hand if you really want Drew Gooden.. Not me.. How about a little more youth & upside to balance things out/get excited about (still want to see some focus on building for the future) even if some of these guys wind up starting out in Westchester. I'd offer 3 year deals (1st year fully guaranteed) to the following four players:

Cat Barber
Spencer Dinwiddie
Thanasis Antetokounmpo
Christian Wood

There are others I really like as well (Yogi Ferrell, Terrico White, Corey Walden) but those 4 would be perfect.

Before we decided to go to a win now team i'd be down with adding more youth but with the team we have now i'd rather get a couple of good vets on one or two year deals and my top two to get would be D.Lee to bring the scoring under the basket that we don't have right now and K.Martin to bring the 3 point shooting in our back court that we only have one guy right now that can shoot the 3 ball in C.Lee.

I'm still a fan of Thanasis (Thumpo) and wouldn't mind having him back since now that we have plenty of players that can score he'd be good to have for his defense and energy to put him on the other teams top guy and can hit the occasional 3 pointer and can bring some crazy athleticism on offense with drives to the basket and dunks.

There's definitely a few of our summer league kids that i wouldn't mind seeing get a chance in R.Baker, M.Plumlee, C.Randle and Baker and Plemlee are gonna get that chance but haven't heard anything about C.Randle yet on if he's getting an invite but i could of missed it but he definitely earned an invite at the very least.

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7/10/2016  11:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2016  12:57 PM
Watching a replay of the Boston/Chicago SL game from yesterday. As Ron pointed out, Chicago waived Dinwiddie a couple of days ago but I guess he's agreed to stick around and honor his SL commitment for them. Just a nice smooth, crafty guard with great size and versatility. He's got a real effective old school veteran-type game to him, much like fellow SL teammate Denzel Valentine. tremendous feel for the game...Not sure what Chicago sees but I see a better player than Jerian Grant here with Dinwiddie. I've thought that for some time now, going back to last year when I suggested trading Grant to Detroit straight up for Dinwiddie. GS has had nice success featuring Shaun Livingston as a big part of their rotation -- we have a chance here to add something very similar with Dinwiddie. He'd be a great building block, someone who has good skills to excel in the NBA at both backcourt spots, and we could still obviously use some more quality depth at both positions. They won't do it as we've had multiple cracks to get this guy one way or another going back to the 2014 draft where we selected Cleanthony Early several spots before DET took Dinwiddie in the 2nd round and have continually passed -- I just would love to float the name past Phil/Mills and hear an explanation as to why he wouldn't be a good fit. To me, he's a perfect fit..I mean PERFECT!

Utah/New Orleans at 8pm tonight. My first chance to see Cat Barber this summer -- I missed the Pel's 1st game against the Lakers. Looks like he didn't play particularly well (didn't look like anyone did--they only scored 65 pts total with Buddy Hield going 5-20 from the field) but I still feel Barber's a can't miss talent that's capable of producing and producing BIG at the NBA level. And again, I'd love to put together some young pieces in case this vet team we cobbled together doesn't work out AND also build up some young firepower to match a team like Golden State or any other team that's assembled the same way (guard heavy) eventually.

To me, Thanasis deserves a spot. The man's paid his dues and even though the numbers don't necessarily reflect it, I think he's made nice progress. You have to sit down and really watch him carefully to see his worth--his athleticism, infectious intensity, solid defense along with his underrated offensive potential are all big pluses imho. Reminds me so much of Gerald Wilkins.. Would hate to just abandon him now--would love to see the organization stick with their original judgment on him and keep him around.

And as Briggs has identified, Wood clearly is one of the better young bigs out there for the taking, if not the best. No brainer to add this young talented kid for more frontcourt depth. Would be such a better choice over a washed up Drew Gooden. Likewise, Spencer Dinwiddie/Thanasis over a washed up Sasha Vujacic. And just MHO -- Barber/Dinwiddie WAY WAY > than Baker/Randle. Not even close, and I don't dislike either Baker or Randle.

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7/10/2016  11:40 AM
Unless the Knicks and Baker feel that him playing in Italy for a season is the best way to go, Baker is on the team.

I had the same feeling with Galloway a few years ago, even though Galloway did not exactly wow folks in SL his rookie year. I think Baker has a lot of fans in the front office, and he did nothing to show that he can't develop into a rotational player at some point in his NBA career. Low to mid-second round talent, IMO, though I haven't looked at other low seconds or late firsts at this point.

Guy is a baller and a glue guy- will never be a star, but he's the kind of player you want to going into battle with.

Plumlee is also on the roster already, and I like Randle, but having Jennings, another small guard, makes it problematic for Randle to end up on the roster. Hope he is brought into camp, though.

I don't think they are considering Thanasis- agree strongly with Knickoftime's comment- we have ties to him...if we wanted him back he would have been in SL. Not sure about Wood, who has skills. Have not seen Barber in SL.

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7/10/2016  11:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2016  11:56 AM
Man, Jack Cooley is playing GREAT for Chicago in this game against Boston. Crowd chanting his name at the end of the game.
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7/10/2016  11:59 AM
Sasha if he is not on your list. Baker for his all around play then if possible Tyler Zeller for 4/5
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7/10/2016  12:44 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Unless the Knicks and Baker feel that him playing in Italy for a season is the best way to go, Baker is on the team.

Don't think that's an option. They didn't draft baker. They can't stash him.

If he's truly under partial guarantee he can't go until the Knicks waive him. But if they do they'll have no rights to him. If he plays in Italy it'll be as an nba ufa.

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7/10/2016  12:59 PM
I didn't understand signing Plumlee because Willy G looks like a more talented version of him. We could have used more of a rim protector in that slot or a veteran presence like David Lee. Then we would have room to possibly keep Chasson Randle or sign Dinwiddie.
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7/10/2016  1:00 PM
Sullinger available now too.
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7/10/2016  1:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2016  1:14 PM
What's the best, most competitive offer we can make for players like Barber, Dinwiddie and Wood right now? Can we do any better than partially guaranteed deals? Not sure how much money we have left. I think we could offer guaranteed vet minimum deals for Dinwiddie and Wood because of their prior NBA service? Not sure...And what about Barber? I'd love to see Phil come out of nowhere and offer Barber guaranteed money, surpassing anything the Pels would likely offer.
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7/10/2016  1:24 PM
reub wrote:I didn't understand signing Plumlee because Willy G looks like a more talented version of him. We could have used more of a rim protector in that slot or a veteran presence like David Lee. Then we would have room to possibly keep Chasson Randle or sign Dinwiddie.

His signing is really irrelevant. It was effectively cap neutral.

Knicks basically happened to have a rookie minimum contract in cap money (which has no other purpose). So they signed a guy with it they probably plan to spend the season in westchester.

Most relevant is the fact plunlee died not prevent them from signing unlimited minimum deals up to 15 man roster limit.

If MP lays an egg in camp they can pay him his $550m and release him and use the roster spot on someone else.

They are in no way shape or form locked into plunlee other than writing him a check. His guarantee has no roster or cap implications.

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7/10/2016  1:29 PM
Finestrg wrote:What's the best, most competitive offer we can make for players like Barber, Dinwiddie and Wood right now? Can we do any better than partially guaranteed deals? Not sure how much money we have left. I think we could offer guaranteed vet minimum deals for Dinwiddie and Wood because of their prior NBA service? Not sure...And what about Barber? I'd love to see Phil come out of nowhere and offer Barber guaranteed money, surpassing anything the Pels would likely offer.

Knicks have zero money left, they just have minimum deals to offer.

And more or less teams don't jump over one another to sign their summer league guys. It's happened, but it's very unusual.

Those players will almost certainly have to be offered nothing but a camp invite by their teams to be available to sign to minimum deals.

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7/10/2016  1:32 PM
Knicks "activated" a win now approach with some starters that likely need minute restrictions so a bench should not be comprised of many young inexperienced players unless their talent and abilty to contribute is undeniable. 1-3 appears to be adequately backed but backups at 4-5 spots re rather unproven and that should be addressed when filling out roster
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7/10/2016  1:33 PM
I really like Terrence Jones. A 1 year vet min would be a good signing.
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7/10/2016  2:27 PM
avi Lee? (no D)
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7/10/2016  3:57 PM
Caseloads wrote:avi Lee? (no D)

I've been wondering if he'd wind up back with the Warriors.

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7/10/2016  4:35 PM
Cat Barber a "can't miss" guy? Nobody drafted him.
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7/10/2016  5:18 PM
Miles Plumlee is still unsigned...
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7/10/2016  6:09 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:Unless the Knicks and Baker feel that him playing in Italy for a season is the best way to go, Baker is on the team.

Don't think that's an option. They didn't draft baker. They can't stash him.

If he's truly under partial guarantee he can't go until the Knicks waive him. But if they do they'll have no rights to him. If he plays in Italy it'll be as an nba ufa.


Gentleman's agreement...I understand he would not be officially a Knick.

My own feeling is that the Italy rumor was simply he and his agent having a fall back plan if they did not keep him because of a numbers game situation.

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