The Rose trade has definitely changed the NBA landscape. Free agency will be exciting.

Knickoftime wrote:I'm sorry, but can't let this go...

New York Knicks Continue to Affect San Antonio Spurs’ Plans

What does that mean? How did they affect San Antonio's plan before Rose? What the hell does "continue" mean?

It seems dubious that Durant would choose New York over destinations like San Antonio, Golden State, or Boston if he were to leave Oklahoma City, because Durant has hinted that teammates and opportunity to win would be high priorities in his determination of what team to decide upon.

The entire premise of the article that does nothing but reiterate obvious speculation is self-undermined by this one sentence.

In other words, 'yeah, it's highly unlikely, but I'm going to write a whole article about it anyway vastly overstating any relationship between the Rose trade and Durant going to the Spurs'.

Ugh.

The writer somewhat explained how the Knicks impacted the Spurs when he said that "I wrote yesterday about how the Spurs would benefit from Rose in New York because it took one major suitor off the free agent market for a star point like Mike Conley or Rajon Rondo." So he's saying that the Knicks actually helped the Spurs by trading for Rose cuz the Knicks won't be competing for Conley or Rondo.

Now the Knicks are in the Spurs way in going after Durant. The fact that the Knicks have Rose now is actually making them more enticing to Durant as a destination and the writer is worried about that.

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:I'm sorry, but can't let this go...

New York Knicks Continue to Affect San Antonio Spurs’ Plans

What does that mean? How did they affect San Antonio's plan before Rose? What the hell does "continue" mean?

It seems dubious that Durant would choose New York over destinations like San Antonio, Golden State, or Boston if he were to leave Oklahoma City, because Durant has hinted that teammates and opportunity to win would be high priorities in his determination of what team to decide upon.

The entire premise of the article that does nothing but reiterate obvious speculation is self-undermined by this one sentence.

In other words, 'yeah, it's highly unlikely, but I'm going to write a whole article about it anyway vastly overstating any relationship between the Rose trade and Durant going to the Spurs'.

Ugh.

The writer somewhat explained how the Knicks impacted the Spurs when he said that "I wrote yesterday about how the Spurs would benefit from Rose in New York because it took one major suitor off the free agent market for a star point like Mike Conley or Rajon Rondo." So he's saying that the Knicks actually helped the Spurs by trading for Rose cuz the Knicks won't be competing for Conley or Rondo.

Now the Knicks are in the Spurs way in going after Durant. The fact that the Knicks have Rose now is actually making them more enticing to Durant as a destination and the writer is worried about that.

I read it. First of all, that the Knicks affect the Spurs at all is highly dubious, but the point is nothing changed from yesterday other than the writer's mind.

At first HE assumed Rose to NY might be a good thing for the Spurs, but then he changed his own mind and concluded it might be a bad thing.

So when he says Knicks "continue" to affect the Spurs, what he really means is the Knicks did ONE thing, but he's changed his mind as to what it means.

That headline wouldn't (or shouldn't) get past an editor.

That said, I'm perfectly okay indulging in the speculation that maybe Durant could come to NY. I think it's unlikely, but I wouldn't squash the notion out of hand like some would. But either way it's far more likely Durant would be choosing between NY (if the longshot comes in) vs. OKC, or Golden State.

The Spurs odds were affected a minascule amount, as the writer himself acknowledged.

San Antoino got the hope for Durant too! Greedy phucking Texans!

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:I'm sorry, but can't let this go...

New York Knicks Continue to Affect San Antonio Spurs’ Plans

What does that mean? How did they affect San Antonio's plan before Rose? What the hell does "continue" mean?

It seems dubious that Durant would choose New York over destinations like San Antonio, Golden State, or Boston if he were to leave Oklahoma City, because Durant has hinted that teammates and opportunity to win would be high priorities in his determination of what team to decide upon.

The entire premise of the article that does nothing but reiterate obvious speculation is self-undermined by this one sentence.

In other words, 'yeah, it's highly unlikely, but I'm going to write a whole article about it anyway vastly overstating any relationship between the Rose trade and Durant going to the Spurs'.

Ugh.

The writer somewhat explained how the Knicks impacted the Spurs when he said that "I wrote yesterday about how the Spurs would benefit from Rose in New York because it took one major suitor off the free agent market for a star point like Mike Conley or Rajon Rondo." So he's saying that the Knicks actually helped the Spurs by trading for Rose cuz the Knicks won't be competing for Conley or Rondo.

Now the Knicks are in the Spurs way in going after Durant. The fact that the Knicks have Rose now is actually making them more enticing to Durant as a destination and the writer is worried about that.

Yep. When a blog writer for a 67 win team is writing about the Knicks it is a good thing.

What a fan blogger writes won't have any affect on the NY KNicks offseason in any way, shape or form.

You're coming across a bit dense on this. The dust settled and now many are beginning to realise that this Rose deal is having a very positive impact on how NBA PLAYERS are perceiving the Knicks situation. Doesn't matter if a blogger is writing about it cuz there are PLENTY of prominent media guys and players who are expressing that there is a change in the Knicks chances of landing Durant. How much of a change is hard to say but Durant is not going to be discounting the Knicks as a destination. Players aren't laughing at the notion of coming here anymore and that's a good thing for the Knicks.

What players other than 65 year old Jcraw said their level of interest in the Knicks went up since the trade?

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:I'm sorry, but can't let this go...

New York Knicks Continue to Affect San Antonio Spurs’ Plans

What does that mean? How did they affect San Antonio's plan before Rose? What the hell does "continue" mean?

It seems dubious that Durant would choose New York over destinations like San Antonio, Golden State, or Boston if he were to leave Oklahoma City, because Durant has hinted that teammates and opportunity to win would be high priorities in his determination of what team to decide upon.

The entire premise of the article that does nothing but reiterate obvious speculation is self-undermined by this one sentence.

In other words, 'yeah, it's highly unlikely, but I'm going to write a whole article about it anyway vastly overstating any relationship between the Rose trade and Durant going to the Spurs'.

Ugh.

The writer somewhat explained how the Knicks impacted the Spurs when he said that "I wrote yesterday about how the Spurs would benefit from Rose in New York because it took one major suitor off the free agent market for a star point like Mike Conley or Rajon Rondo." So he's saying that the Knicks actually helped the Spurs by trading for Rose cuz the Knicks won't be competing for Conley or Rondo.

Now the Knicks are in the Spurs way in going after Durant. The fact that the Knicks have Rose now is actually making them more enticing to Durant as a destination and the writer is worried about that.

Yep. When a blog writer for a 67 win team is writing about the Knicks it is a good thing.

What a fan blogger writes won't have any affect on the NY KNicks offseason in any way, shape or form.

You're coming across a bit dense on this. The dust settled and now many are beginning to realise that this Rose deal is having a very positive impact on how NBA PLAYERS are perceiving the Knicks situation. Doesn't matter if a blogger is writing about it cuz there are PLENTY of prominent media guys and players who are expressing that there is a change in the Knicks chances of landing Durant. How much of a change is hard to say but Durant is not going to be discounting the Knicks as a destination. Players aren't laughing at the notion of coming here anymore and that's a good thing for the Knicks.

What players other than 65 year old Jcraw said their level of interest in the Knicks went up since the trade?

Yes, AND what players ever dismissed the Knicks (beside Grant Hill) out of hand?

Because LaMarcus Aldridge choose the Spurs the Knicks are a laughingstock?

NBA offseason is a binary equation. Knicks will either sign players they want or they won't.

Trying to find positives or negatives inside the margins seems pointless.

It's a week ago. Why drive ourselves crazy trying to take the temperature of the NBA?

https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/4pmylh/kd_and_melo_are_working_out_together/

KD and Melo are working out together (self.NYKnicks)
submitted 8 hours ago by [deleted]

I hate to write a post like this, I really do. Firstly, as many of you may know I am a prick on this subreddit and do not think that KD is coming to the Knicks. That being said, i can't not share what I saw yesterday and what will be happening again later today.

I work out at a gym in NYC that has a lot of high profile NBA players visit (CJ McCollum, Tobias Harris, and Carmelo). That being said, yesterday KD and Melo spent the afternoon at my gym shooting around, alone. Nobody was allowed to go inside the gym. Obviously this could mean literally nothing, but I can't help but share what has been going on.
*** Side note- I am sorry for being a douche bag

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:I'm sorry, but can't let this go...

New York Knicks Continue to Affect San Antonio Spurs’ Plans

What does that mean? How did they affect San Antonio's plan before Rose? What the hell does "continue" mean?

It seems dubious that Durant would choose New York over destinations like San Antonio, Golden State, or Boston if he were to leave Oklahoma City, because Durant has hinted that teammates and opportunity to win would be high priorities in his determination of what team to decide upon.

The entire premise of the article that does nothing but reiterate obvious speculation is self-undermined by this one sentence.

In other words, 'yeah, it's highly unlikely, but I'm going to write a whole article about it anyway vastly overstating any relationship between the Rose trade and Durant going to the Spurs'.

Ugh.

The writer somewhat explained how the Knicks impacted the Spurs when he said that "I wrote yesterday about how the Spurs would benefit from Rose in New York because it took one major suitor off the free agent market for a star point like Mike Conley or Rajon Rondo." So he's saying that the Knicks actually helped the Spurs by trading for Rose cuz the Knicks won't be competing for Conley or Rondo.

Now the Knicks are in the Spurs way in going after Durant. The fact that the Knicks have Rose now is actually making them more enticing to Durant as a destination and the writer is worried about that.

Yep. When a blog writer for a 67 win team is writing about the Knicks it is a good thing.

What a fan blogger writes won't have any affect on the NY KNicks offseason in any way, shape or form.

You're coming across a bit dense on this. The dust settled and now many are beginning to realise that this Rose deal is having a very positive impact on how NBA PLAYERS are perceiving the Knicks situation. Doesn't matter if a blogger is writing about it cuz there are PLENTY of prominent media guys and players who are expressing that there is a change in the Knicks chances of landing Durant. How much of a change is hard to say but Durant is not going to be discounting the Knicks as a destination. Players aren't laughing at the notion of coming here anymore and that's a good thing for the Knicks.

We're assuming the bloggers and writers perception of the Knicks 48 hours after the Rose trade is mirrored by players, and we don't know that is the case. We don't actually know what if anything has changed, and what a fan blogger thinks is irrelevant to that question.

There was already fans hopeful for Durant before Rose. There was already speculation NY was at least on the list. We don't know if any player ever laughed at coming here.

James chose Miami and then Cleveland again. This doesn't mean the Knicks were snickered at in player circles. He didn't go to Chicago or Houston or Boston or LA either. And neither did Melo when he was free and clear for that matter.

You said it yourself, "how much of a change is hard to say"... in fact it's impossible to quantify or conclude anything about it at all.

The thing is that there is something different this time. Perhaps you are just being a bit too jaded about all of this. This writer is not the only one talking like this. It's been building and growing louder since the trade. With just the addition of Rose you now view the Knicks as having a big 3 of Melo, Rose and KP! That is no small thing. Teams win with their stars and Durant would be joining 3 other star level players in NY. That most certainly changes things. Will it be enough? We can't know for sure cuz who can know what's in Durant's head, but come on man, you've gotta be able to see how this looks to any Free Agent.

If you can't perceive that there's a good deal MORE belief in the Knicks chances then I think you're simply jaded and can't accept the good news. In just a few more days we'll see just how much of a difference Rose makes.

The opposite of what you're arguing is true, which illustrates my point. I don't think something is that different this time because I don't believe things were ever as bad as some fans - including you - seem to think it was.

This is NOT a situation where I don't recognize the Knicks bad rep has been improved greatly with Rose.

This is a situation in which I think the Knicks bad rep has been grossly overstated by fans like yourself.

Fans have a difficult time separating the analyst, beat writer, blogger, fan mindset with the players. The assume players think they they do.

I don't know that this is true.

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:I'm sorry, but can't let this go...

New York Knicks Continue to Affect San Antonio Spurs’ Plans

What does that mean? How did they affect San Antonio's plan before Rose? What the hell does "continue" mean?

It seems dubious that Durant would choose New York over destinations like San Antonio, Golden State, or Boston if he were to leave Oklahoma City, because Durant has hinted that teammates and opportunity to win would be high priorities in his determination of what team to decide upon.

The entire premise of the article that does nothing but reiterate obvious speculation is self-undermined by this one sentence.

In other words, 'yeah, it's highly unlikely, but I'm going to write a whole article about it anyway vastly overstating any relationship between the Rose trade and Durant going to the Spurs'.

Ugh.

The writer somewhat explained how the Knicks impacted the Spurs when he said that "I wrote yesterday about how the Spurs would benefit from Rose in New York because it took one major suitor off the free agent market for a star point like Mike Conley or Rajon Rondo." So he's saying that the Knicks actually helped the Spurs by trading for Rose cuz the Knicks won't be competing for Conley or Rondo.

Now the Knicks are in the Spurs way in going after Durant. The fact that the Knicks have Rose now is actually making them more enticing to Durant as a destination and the writer is worried about that.

Yep. When a blog writer for a 67 win team is writing about the Knicks it is a good thing.

What a fan blogger writes won't have any affect on the NY KNicks offseason in any way, shape or form.

You're coming across a bit dense on this. The dust settled and now many are beginning to realise that this Rose deal is having a very positive impact on how NBA PLAYERS are perceiving the Knicks situation. Doesn't matter if a blogger is writing about it cuz there are PLENTY of prominent media guys and players who are expressing that there is a change in the Knicks chances of landing Durant. How much of a change is hard to say but Durant is not going to be discounting the Knicks as a destination. Players aren't laughing at the notion of coming here anymore and that's a good thing for the Knicks.

We're assuming the bloggers and writers perception of the Knicks 48 hours after the Rose trade is mirrored by players, and we don't know that is the case. We don't actually know what if anything has changed, and what a fan blogger thinks is irrelevant to that question.

There was already fans hopeful for Durant before Rose. There was already speculation NY was at least on the list. We don't know if any player ever laughed at coming here.

James chose Miami and then Cleveland again. This doesn't mean the Knicks were snickered at in player circles. He didn't go to Chicago or Houston or Boston or LA either. And neither did Melo when he was free and clear for that matter.

You said it yourself, "how much of a change is hard to say"... in fact it's impossible to quantify or conclude anything about it at all.

The thing is that there is something different this time. Perhaps you are just being a bit too jaded about all of this. This writer is not the only one talking like this. It's been building and growing louder since the trade. With just the addition of Rose you now view the Knicks as having a big 3 of Melo, Rose and KP! That is no small thing. Teams win with their stars and Durant would be joining 3 other star level players in NY. That most certainly changes things. Will it be enough? We can't know for sure cuz who can know what's in Durant's head, but come on man, you've gotta be able to see how this looks to any Free Agent.

If you can't perceive that there's a good deal MORE belief in the Knicks chances then I think you're simply jaded and can't accept the good news. In just a few more days we'll see just how much of a difference Rose makes.

The opposite of what you're arguing is true, which illustrates my point. I don't think something is that different this time because I don't believe things were ever as bad as some fans - including you - seem to think it was.

This is NOT a situation where I don't recognize the Knicks bad rep has been improved greatly with Rose.

This is a situation in which I think the Knicks bad rep has been grossly overstated by fans like yourself.

Fans have a difficult time separating the analyst, beat writer, blogger, fan mindset with the players. The assume players think they they do.

I don't know that this is true.

No one could ever accuse me of thinking negatively about the Knicks but I will say that it was harder for the Knicks to land the big fish after the 17 win season and it's not hard to imagine that things are quite different now after Players have seen what KP can do and after Phil traded for Rose. It simply can't be fully quantified but to deny that it makes for a much better enticement for Free Agents is a hard case to make. You think it doesn't look better to other NBA players to see Rose, Melo and KP versus last summer when we had only Melo and Jose and not much else going into Free Agency??? You're going to have to explain how that works.