It appears as if AJ is 2-3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier yet more athletic.

Just looking at their games-- AJ looks more skilled on offense and is an actual rim protector.

I think AJ is a pure C and Willy is a tweener 4-5

My guess is that Willy G might give more concerted effort

You could make some legit discussions that not only is AJ the best C in the draft but hes might not be to far from the most talented given his skill and 7-1 270 pound size.

nixluva wrote:AJ looks like a good C in a lot of ways, but IMO he's too slow for the modern game that Phil wants from his bigs. Willy isn't a jumper but he's not as slow as Simmons IMO. I think Willy will be able to move well as a screener in the offense and hit the midrange shot. Hopefully he's been working on his 3pt shot. I don't know if Phil is looking for anymore traditional Type C's.

Willie looked pretty slow in that video clip posted earlier.

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:AJ looks like a good C in a lot of ways, but IMO he's too slow for the modern game that Phil wants from his bigs. Willy isn't a jumper but he's not as slow as Simmons IMO. I think Willy will be able to move well as a screener in the offense and hit the midrange shot. Hopefully he's been working on his 3pt shot. I don't know if Phil is looking for anymore traditional Type C's.

where do you get this from? Lopez, O'Quinn, and Seraphin would not be considered fast at all.

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yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:AJ looks like a good C in a lot of ways, but IMO he's too slow for the modern game that Phil wants from his bigs. Willy isn't a jumper but he's not as slow as Simmons IMO. I think Willy will be able to move well as a screener in the offense and hit the midrange shot. Hopefully he's been working on his 3pt shot. I don't know if Phil is looking for anymore traditional Type C's.

where do you get this from? Lopez, O'Quinn, and Seraphin would not be considered fast at all.

I'm speaking specifically with regard to Phil's own words. Don't assume that he's not actually looking for bigs like KP just cuz he also added guys like RoLo, KOQ or Seraphin.

From the New York Post:

When asked if he knows whom he would draft with the top pick, should the Knicks win the draft lottery, Jackson said, “I do.”

During a 45-minute presentation to season-ticket holders at the Garden's Theatre, Jackson also was asked what he cherished more in a big man — the ability to pass and score or be a dominant defender.

“Defender,'' Jackson said to applause, adding to the irony of his trade of Chandler last offseason. “That's a good starting point — a guy like Tyson Chandler and the defensive passion they have to have. So many screen and rolls, so many 3-point shooters, a player of size has to cover and protect the basket but also step out defensively and do defensive work on the extreme part of the floor. It's very important for that player to have defensive capabilities.''

BRIGGS wrote:

It appears as if AJ is 2-3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier yet more athletic.

Just looking at their games-- AJ looks more skilled on offense and is an actual rim protector.

I think AJ is a pure C and Willy is a tweener 4-5

My guess is that Willy G might give more concerted effort

You could make some legit discussions that not only is AJ the best C in the draft but hes might not be to far from the most talented given his skill and 7-1 270 pound size.

You really need to stop judging any player on how they play in college or in the euro league because nothing will be like playing in the NBA and until any player plays in the NBA you'll have no idea on how they'll be in the NBA. How many players have been drafted out of college into the NBA in lets just say the top 10 of the draft end up being absolute busts after everyone thought they'd be great in the NBA?? Countless players is the answer. The NBA is a whole nother animal and no other league is like it. We have zero idea what Willy or Hammons will be in the NBA but Willy has played against better competition.

Hammons will also be be 24 in August- I just can't Phil using resources to buy a pick to draft a player who seems to be redundant based on our roster. The fact that we are working out smaller players should be an indication that we won't use a pick on Hammons.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

It appears as if AJ is 2-3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier yet more athletic.

Just looking at their games-- AJ looks more skilled on offense and is an actual rim protector.

I think AJ is a pure C and Willy is a tweener 4-5

My guess is that Willy G might give more concerted effort

You could make some legit discussions that not only is AJ the best C in the draft but hes might not be to far from the most talented given his skill and 7-1 270 pound size.

You really need to stop judging any player on how they play in college or in the euro league because nothing will be like playing in the NBA and until any player plays in the NBA you'll have no idea on how they'll be in the NBA. How many players have been drafted out of college into the NBA in lets just say the top 10 of the draft end up being absolute busts after everyone thought they'd be great in the NBA?? Countless players is the answer. The NBA is a whole nother animal and no other league is like it. We have zero idea what Willy or Hammons will be in the NBA but Willy has played against better competition.

You say this all the time but guess what? New NBA players dozens of them come in every year. BIG problem with the Knicks going back 15 years is we dont realize this. We obviously have to put our resources into Gs BUT if this guy is sitting there after pick 45 then its insane not to try and acquire him. At the end of the day thats 7-1 270 who can shoot pass rebound block shots with good hands the possibility of bust is injury only. AT WORST this is a quality back up.

Well first of all you never said anything about if the kid is sitting there after the 45th pick which most likely won't happen but i do agree that he would be a good pick that late and you skipped right over my point which you seem to always do which is there's no way to say how well this kid or any kid will be in the NBA and the fact that countless players that everyone thought would be good NBA players fail every single year. The NBA is nothing like any other league or college and it takes more than just being able to play basketball to make it in the NBA. You have to be strong mentally which is something someone on the outside can't predict on how mentally tough these kids are. I'm not saying the kid can't play in the NBA which is obvious since i'm sitting here saying NOBODY can say that but to say how good the kid will be in the NBA before he even steps foot in a game is a guess and only a guess and there's plenty of examples of guys that are 7-1 270 that people thought would be able to play in the NBA that couldn't do it. The same thing goes for Willy, he's played against better competition which gives him a better chance at making it in the NBA but it's still nothing we'll know until we see it.

I'm not trying to come at you in a bad way even though it sounds like i am but it just bothers me when not just you but anyone thinks they can say a college kid especially one that's predicted to go late first or in the second round will be a good player in the NBA cause nobody knows until it's actually seen. It's all a guessing game especially with these late picks.

Im looking back at numbers and the only players who have avg 20-13-4 per 40 over 3 years or more in a major conference happen to be NBA all stars

Im aware of what we have what we need but Id like for the Knicks to give this guy a singular serious workout

I dont think theres a rat chance that he;; fall out of the draft but do the due diligence:)

His defense and rebounding at 7-1 270 with his offensive post skills that extend out to the 3 line--I cant ignore that. When he rebounds--hes over everyones head with good hands and he stalks offensive players with size and length--something that could be effective in a mobile game.