Vmart wrote:Last year the Knicks got grant for Hardaway. This year what do they have to trade to get into the first round.

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:Last year the Knicks got grant for Hardaway. This year what do they have to trade to get into the first round.

Unless the market is high for Kyle O'Quinn I don't think they have anything that they would want to give up that would get them a first round pick. The Knicks probably buy a second rounder. But I never expected Phil to turn Hardaway into the 19th pick in the draft last year.

Crush Id take nothing to get rid of Oquinn.

BRIGGS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:Last year the Knicks got grant for Hardaway. This year what do they have to trade to get into the first round.

Unless the market is high for Kyle O'Quinn I don't think they have anything that they would want to give up that would get them a first round pick. The Knicks probably buy a second rounder. But I never expected Phil to turn Hardaway into the 19th pick in the draft last year.

Crush Id take nothing to get rid of Oquinn.

You don't see value in a center that can make free throws. Golden State was on the brink of losing because their centers can't make free throws.

StarksEwing1 wrote:Everyone knows im very big on having draft picks. I think they are essential to building a competitive team for a long period. Usually we give away our picks in crappy trades. We struck Gold last year with KP. Now this year obviously we dont have our pick but ive heard we are trying to get back into the first. My question is do we have any assets to trade into the first. The only asset we have is Willy and i want to keep him. Buying a first round pick is rare, i think toney douglas was the last first rounder that was acquired for cash. Hopefully phil can work some magic and get a first rounder

I think Phil can and maybe even will find a way to get a low 1st and if not then he'll get a 2nd rounder for sure. I can actually see someone wanting KOQ because even though he wasn't great for us he still does have some skills for a PF/C. I also do not wanna trade Willy at all and don't think Phil will trade him.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Last year the Knicks got grant for Hardaway. This year what do they have to trade to get into the first round.

that was a great trade by the way. I think the hawks felt timmy would do much better after a change of scenery. This year will be much tougher to get a first

Bonn1997 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Last year the Knicks got grant for Hardaway. This year what do they have to trade to get into the first round.

that was a great trade by the way. I think the hawks felt timmy would do much better after a change of scenery. This year will be much tougher to get a first

TH JR played pretty well. At best, this trade is a wash. I think his stats from a 3rd year player project better than Grant's from a rookie (for example, .105 vs. 030 WS 48). There's uncertainty in the projections but statistically it looks more likely than not that Atlanta will come out with the better player.

Totally disagree. What Jerian had to deal with as a PG is much more difficult than being a SG. After Jerian adjusts to the demands of his role we should see his production vastly improve. Not to mention If the offense is tweaked to include more PnR which he should thrive at. IMO Jerian will be a better player than THJ and the trade will be a win for the Knicks.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Clarence gaines had HUGE misses in 2014--we passed on Clarkson Jokic Powell. But Id like to take the same strategy and be aggressive in a MUCH better 2nd rd draft.

To say they were HUGE misses now is easy to do since you now see what those players have become, but no GM and especially nobody on a message board can predict what any player will become, we can all guess on what we've seen from the players in games and heard about them from so called draft experts or on the internet but nobody knows for sure. If they did know then every GM in the NBA wouldn't of passed up on those players now would they of??

The thing about a high 2 is you really get to cut down on the choices left. He just made the wrong choice

Bonn1997 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Last year the Knicks got grant for Hardaway. This year what do they have to trade to get into the first round.

that was a great trade by the way. I think the hawks felt timmy would do much better after a change of scenery. This year will be much tougher to get a first

TH JR played pretty well. At best, this trade is a wash. I think his stats from a 3rd year player project better than Grant's from a rookie (for example, .105 vs. 030 WS 48). There's uncertainty in the projections but statistically it looks more likely than not that Atlanta will come out with the better player.

I disagree with this. J.Grant was put in a tough situation and never got consistent minutes and put in the triangle offense with a ton of pressure and if Hornacek is allowed to play his style of offense i think we'll see a much more comfotable Grant playing in a style of offense that better suits him.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Last year the Knicks got grant for Hardaway. This year what do they have to trade to get into the first round.

that was a great trade by the way. I think the hawks felt timmy would do much better after a change of scenery. This year will be much tougher to get a first

TH JR played pretty well. At best, this trade is a wash. I think his stats from a 3rd year player project better than Grant's from a rookie (for example, .105 vs. 030 WS 48). There's uncertainty in the projections but statistically it looks more likely than not that Atlanta will come out with the better player.

I disagree with this. J.Grant was put in a tough situation and never got consistent minutes and put in the triangle offense with a ton of pressure and if Hornacek is allowed to play his style of offense i think we'll see a much more comfotable Grant playing in a style of offense that better suits him.