If Phil loves Kurt, let him move to the FO...

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Finestrg wrote:

franco12 wrote:I kinda hope Rambis is foisted on whoever our next coach is - just not fair. Let Hornacek or whomever run what they want to run and coach how they want to coach.

If Phil loves Kurt, let him move to the FO...

Agreed. Let Jeff bring in his own guys. Get the feeling we might be moving away from 100% traditional triangle anyway so not sure what the point of having Rambis around would really be except to be an informant for Phil.

nixluva wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

franco12 wrote:I kinda hope Rambis is foisted on whoever our next coach is - just not fair. Let Hornacek or whomever run what they want to run and coach how they want to coach.

If Phil loves Kurt, let him move to the FO...

Agreed. Let Jeff bring in his own guys. Get the feeling we might be moving away from 100% traditional triangle anyway so not sure what the point of having Rambis around would really be except to be an informant for Phil.

There will be no need for Phil to have an informant with a good relationship with JH (happy mreinman). Phil wanted a coach he could have a great relationship with and I doubt that JH will push Phil away to the extent that they won't talk and have open communication. That was the whole point of Phil's search.

Phil also won't have to babysit JH like Fish since he has some coaching experience and shown he knows what he's doing. The dynamic between Prez and Coach should be much better this time. I don't see JH having the same hangups that Fish had. Phil wanted someone he could trust and JH seems like he's more than capable of handling things without help. This will free up Phil to do more planning for the team's future without constantly worrying about the coaching.

Thank You Nix! LOL

And coincidently, I completely agree with your post. They will have a much better and more intellectual relationship than the previous 2 tools.

This is the best of both worlds for phil. A smart coach and a coach who is not an egotist and will of course be willing to listen and actually comprehend the knowledge and experience that Phil can offer.

Fisher was in way over his head and never ever had the brainy game that JH () had.

arkrud wrote:Assistants are picked by Coach in normal organization.
If Knicks are normal now Rambis will be working for Phil in FO or get another invite.

nixluva wrote:One thing people are overlooking is that Rambis and JH were teammates.
They might already have a good relationship. Rambis staying as an
assistant might not be such a big deal for JH.

If this is not a case of Hornacek getting the job because he's always
wanted to have an opportunity to run the Triangle . . . then it makes
no sense at all.

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:Assistants are picked by Coach in normal organization.
If Knicks are normal now Rambis will be working for Phil in FO or get another invite.

One thing people are overlooking is that Rambis and JH were teammates. They might already have a good relationship. Rambis staying as an assistant might not be such a big deal for JH.

I would have no problem with Rambis on the bench but would hope that it would be by Hornacek's choice if he is. The media would put it all on being Phil's choice either way but there's no way around our media tool bags anyway.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:One thing people are overlooking is that Rambis and JH were teammates.
They might already have a good relationship. Rambis staying as an
assistant might not be such a big deal for JH.

If continuing with Rambis as offensive coach is not part of the
understanding that Hornacek and Jackson came to . . . then this
is a massively screwed up deal.

If this is not a case of Hornacek getting the job because he's always
wanted to have an opportunity to run the Triangle . . . then it makes
no sense at all.

Huh?? How so??

Yeah I'd have to say I disagree with that. Phil has said many times that he would accept another SYSTEM that promoted group play. My guess is that JH was able to convince Phil he believed in group play and could improve the team with his concepts.

Also contrary to popular belief, pushing the ball is not anti Triangle. However, JH may have more success in getting this team to push and play faster. I'm not expecting miracles but it's possible to keep some aspects of the Triangle in an uptempo style. JH was probably able to convince Phil of this.

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

nixluva wrote:One thing people are overlooking is that Rambis and JH were teammates.
They might already have a good relationship. Rambis staying as an
assistant might not be such a big deal for JH.

If continuing with Rambis as offensive coach is not part of the
understanding that Hornacek and Jackson came to . . . then this
is a massively screwed up deal.

If this is not a case of Hornacek getting the job because he's always
wanted to have an opportunity to run the Triangle . . . then it makes
no sense at all.

Huh?? How so??

Yeah I'd have to say I disagree with that. Phil has said many times that he would accept another SYSTEM that promoted group play. My guess is that JH was able to convince Phil he believed in group play and could improve the team with his concepts.

Also contrary to popular belief, pushing the ball is not anti Triangle. However, JH may have more success in getting this team to push and play faster. I'm not expecting miracles but it's possible to keep some aspects of the Triangle in an uptempo style. JH was probably able to convince Phil of this.

There's Triangle Offense . . . and there's Triangle Culture.

There's already a lot of doubt in my mind whether Jackson can bring
Triangle Culture to the Knicks without being coach himself.

But I was encouraged by the Triangle Workshop which suggested that
Jackson was going to become more hands on through Rambis.

This Hornacek hire only has a chance of getting us Triangle Culture
. . . if Hornacek has been a closet Triangle-ist for all of his life and
just been waiting for an opportunity to come out.

I've got no issue with varieties of the Triangle Offense -- as you say.

But it's just basketball . . . unless the Culture part is behind it.

You're underestimating Phil. He knows how to achieve the culture he wants and he will never give up on that. It's central to everything he believes in. He chose JH because he believes they are on the same page, so I don't share your concern about this.

Phil feels he has his guy and that means he believes he can work with him. Phil believes JH can guide this team and teach them the culture that will lead to success. There's no other way to read Phil's choice since that was his purpose at the start. Phil will be there guiding the entire process and teaching JH as well. I see this as a good thing and a positive move for the future.