Vmart wrote:Time will tell how happy Melo is. MDA played a fast pace ran him out of town for a slower paced Woodson who catered to isoball. Hornacek likes motion from all his players. I don't think Melo is a motion offense player.

I think Melo is just happy it's not Rambis. You see Rambis played with superstars in his career some of the best all time. He probably expected more from Melo but Melo quickly realized he wasn't anything close to Magic, Kareem or Worthy.

This guy is getting old and he wants to play a fast pace. Time will tell.

More recently, Melo has also shown his willingness to adapt. Passed the ball a lot more to get himself into a team philosophy and it helped.

TPercy wrote:

Vmart wrote:Time will tell how happy Melo is. MDA played a fast pace ran him out of town for a slower paced Woodson who catered to isoball. Hornacek likes motion from all his players. I don't think Melo is a motion offense player.

I think Melo is just happy it's not Rambis. You see Rambis played with superstars in his career some of the best all time. He probably expected more from Melo but Melo quickly realized he wasn't anything close to Magic, Kareem or Worthy.

This guy is getting old and he wants to play a fast pace. Time will tell.

More recently, Melo has also shown his willingness to adapt. Passed the ball a lot more to get himself into a team philosophy and it helped.

That was the roll MDA wanted him to play a facilitator which lead to unhappy Melo.

Vmart wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Vmart wrote:Time will tell how happy Melo is. MDA played a fast pace ran him out of town for a slower paced Woodson who catered to isoball. Hornacek likes motion from all his players. I don't think Melo is a motion offense player.

I think Melo is just happy it's not Rambis. You see Rambis played with superstars in his career some of the best all time. He probably expected more from Melo but Melo quickly realized he wasn't anything close to Magic, Kareem or Worthy.

This guy is getting old and he wants to play a fast pace. Time will tell.

More recently, Melo has also shown his willingness to adapt. Passed the ball a lot more to get himself into a team philosophy and it helped.

That was the roll MDA wanted him to play a facilitator which lead to unhappy Melo.

Its alright though, all that matters is what Melo has done in the past never mind what Melo is doing right now.

Vmart wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Vmart wrote:Time will tell how happy Melo is. MDA played a fast pace ran him out of town for a slower paced Woodson who catered to isoball. Hornacek likes motion from all his players. I don't think Melo is a motion offense player.

I think Melo is just happy it's not Rambis. You see Rambis played with superstars in his career some of the best all time. He probably expected more from Melo but Melo quickly realized he wasn't anything close to Magic, Kareem or Worthy.

This guy is getting old and he wants to play a fast pace. Time will tell.

More recently, Melo has also shown his willingness to adapt. Passed the ball a lot more to get himself into a team philosophy and it helped.

That was the roll MDA wanted him to play a facilitator which lead to unhappy Melo.

That was a very bad reaction by Melo. I do think he has matured since then. I believe Melo will be fully behind this move and will support Horn fully. More importantly, the entire team should respond to an easier style of play that still has the same kind of ball and player movement but in an easier form to grasp.

Like I said I don't think Melo is a motion offense player. He moves only when the ball is in his hand he doesn't do Reggie Miller running off screens or cutting to the basket for easy baskets. He has slowed down a lot and you can see it. I don't know how you guys are speeding the game up for a player who is slowing down.

I'm guaranteeing a unhappy Melo by mid season.

Melo is one of the only guys on the team who sets good screens. It's hard to tell though because our guards are so bad at taking advantage of them. He freed up Calderon for countless mid-range jumpers this season though.

Melo got mad at MDA because when Melo went out with injury, MDA turned the team over to Lin and scapegoated Melo for the team's struggles pre-Lin. I think it was lame of MDA to do that and also lame how Melo reacted. They both blamed each other, when the real reason that team struggled was Amar'e and Melo were a terrible fit next to one another.

I think the real issue with the 15-16 Knicks was that we can't really have the big frontcourt on the floor for long stretches - Melo, KP, Rolo. Melo is essentially a 4 at this point. You saw last season as teams figured out they had to play the Knicks small that NYK played best when it was either Melo/KP at the 4/5 or Melo/Rolo 4/5. The big lineup of Melo, KP, Rolo won't work if teams go small.

I like Hornacek because I've seen him make good in game adjustments and counters and he designs smart small ball lineups and plays. Part of it though is roster construction. We need more 2/3 wings and I think one good point guard.

Part of Hornacek's challenge will be to convince Melo, KP, Rolo that the team will work best with only two of them on the floor at a given time. The big part of that will be convincing Melo he's best at the 4 at this point in his career. Melo is a perfect small ball 4 and KP is a perfect small ball 5. Rolo will be great to have around for specific matchups - the way the Warriors use Bogut.

If we add some pieces like Evan Turner, Brandon Jennings, Courtney Lee, Kent Bazemore - two of those four guys (and keep Dwill), I think they can be really good. I'd love to see them draft a 2/3 in the second round - Gbinije would be awesome and it seems like they are looking at those types. That'd be good - pay some FA vets to play those roles and bring in a kid or two to try to pop there, too. I suppose there's a chance Early comes back with an improved jumper and ready to contribute next season, but I wouldn't count on it.

The Knicks have a talented roster and could make the playoffs if coached right. I am so relieved Hornacek is here, because I think he can figure it out much better than Rambis ever would've.

Vmart- Melo played some pretty damn good defense last season for a player slowing down.

crzymdups wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Vmart wrote:Time will tell how happy Melo is. MDA played a fast pace ran him out of town for a slower paced Woodson who catered to isoball. Hornacek likes motion from all his players. I don't think Melo is a motion offense player.

I think Melo is just happy it's not Rambis. You see Rambis played with superstars in his career some of the best all time. He probably expected more from Melo but Melo quickly realized he wasn't anything close to Magic, Kareem or Worthy.

This guy is getting old and he wants to play a fast pace. Time will tell.

More recently, Melo has also shown his willingness to adapt. Passed the ball a lot more to get himself into a team philosophy and it helped.

That was the roll MDA wanted him to play a facilitator which lead to unhappy Melo.

That was a very bad reaction by Melo. I do think he has matured since then. I believe Melo will be fully behind this move and will support Horn fully. More importantly, the entire team should respond to an easier style of play that still has the same kind of ball and player movement but in an easier form to grasp.

Like I said I don't think Melo is a motion offense player. He moves only when the ball is in his hand he doesn't do Reggie Miller running off screens or cutting to the basket for easy baskets. He has slowed down a lot and you can see it. I don't know how you guys are speeding the game up for a player who is slowing down.

I'm guaranteeing a unhappy Melo by mid season.

Melo is one of the only guys on the team who sets good screens. It's hard to tell though because our guards are so bad at taking advantage of them. He freed up Calderon for countless mid-range jumpers this season though.

Melo got mad at MDA because when Melo went out with injury, MDA turned the team over to Lin and scapegoated Melo for the team's struggles pre-Lin. I think it was lame of MDA to do that and also lame how Melo reacted. They both blamed each other, when the real reason that team struggled was Amar'e and Melo were a terrible fit next to one another.

I think the real issue with the 15-16 Knicks was that we can't really have the big frontcourt on the floor for long stretches - Melo, KP, Rolo. Melo is essentially a 4 at this point. You saw last season as teams figured out they had to play the Knicks small that NYK played best when it was either Melo/KP at the 4/5 or Melo/Rolo 4/5. The big lineup of Melo, KP, Rolo won't work if teams go small.

I like Hornacek because I've seen him make good in game adjustments and counters and he designs smart small ball lineups and plays. Part of it though is roster construction. We need more 2/3 wings and I think one good point guard.

Part of Hornacek's challenge will be to convince Melo, KP, Rolo that the team will work best with only two of them on the floor at a given time. The big part of that will be convincing Melo he's best at the 4 at this point in his career. Melo is a perfect small ball 4 and KP is a perfect small ball 5. Rolo will be great to have around for specific matchups - the way the Warriors use Bogut.

If we add some pieces like Evan Turner, Brandon Jennings, Courtney Lee, Kent Bazemore - two of those four guys (and keep Dwill), I think they can be really good. I'd love to see them draft a 2/3 in the second round - Gbinije would be awesome and it seems like they are looking at those types. That'd be good - pay some FA vets to play those roles and bring in a kid or two to try to pop there, too. I suppose there's a chance Early comes back with an improved jumper and ready to contribute next season, but I wouldn't count on it.

The Knicks have a talented roster and could make the playoffs if coached right. I am so relieved Hornacek is here, because I think he can figure it out much better than Rambis ever would've.

Rolo is the best screener on our team and there is no one close.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:It's stated that JH is going to get with Melo and KP to work with them based on there comfort level and sweet spots or something to that nature. Lets see what JH can come up with.

Vmart- Melo played some pretty damn good defense last season for a player slowing down.

Horn has a LOT of offensive concepts he can work with. He no doubt will diagnose the best way to get Melo, KP etc in the prime positions to excel. I have no doubt about that. Just looking at how he handled things in PHX before the Front Office messed him over. He knows the Triangle as well, so really he's got a wealth of BBall knowledge to draw from.

Excited to see what JH does with KP.

I'm very confident that he'll have KP Rockin n Rollin next year. KP should shine in PnR and Horns sets where the paint will be open for him to cut to the hoop or set a screen and pop. Horn even used Down screens to free up Frye for 3 pt shots. I mean we already saw how Jerian and KP looked in the limited PnR and Drag Screens they ran together. If you increased the amount of those plays significantly it's going to have a net positive impact on everyone.

Also of note is that the way Cotton Fitzsimmons use the Triangle is VERY much the same as how the Spurs ran it. They focused on the Pinch Post side rather than feeding the post in the Side Triangle. That wide open 2 man side of the floor allowed a lot of options and featured the best players to go to work. With that old Suns team it was KJ and Chambers and of course the Spurs was Duncan and Parker.