Rk Player            Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   TRB% AST%  STL% BLK% TOV% USG%  WS   WS/48 ▾ OBPM  DBPM  BPM  VORP
01 DeMar DeRozan     SG  26  TOR  73  2640  21.5  .551	.102  .483  7.0  20.4  1.5  0.7  9.5  29.7  9.3  .169	 2.6   -1.2  1.4  2.3
02 Tyler Johnson     SG  23  MIA  36   863  13.8  .581  .289  .264  7.2  14.1  1.4  1.3  14.8 16.8  2.1  .114    0.4    0.1  0.5  0.5
03 Troy Daniels      SG  24  CHO  39   386  14.7  .613  .626  .058  6.8  7.2   1.0  0.6  10.2 20.7  0.8  .105	 1.1   -2.8 -1.7  0.0
04 Nicolas Batum     SG  27  CHO  65  2317  15.8  .549  .460  .226  9.7  26.5  1.3  1.5  17.7 21.3  4.9  .101    1.2    1.1  2.3  2.5	
05 Leandro Barbosa   SG  33  GSW  62   980  12.1  .545  .297  .182  5.6  11.4  2.1  0.7  11.3 18.2  0.9	 .099	-1.0   -0.9 -1.9  0.0	
06 Allen Crabbe      SG  23  POR  74  1925  12.2  .568  .416  .158  5.6  7.2   1.5  0.6  8.1  16.6  3.9  .098    0.3   -1.1 -0.8  0.6
07 Brandon Rush      SG  30  GSW  65   990  10.3  .556	.593  .114  9.1  7.3   1.0  1.5  10.1 12.5  1.9  .093	-1.1   -0.1 -1.2  0.2
08 Evan Turner       SG  27  BOS  74  2051  13.6  .507  .114  .237  9.4  24.0  1.7  0.9  16.7 18.5  3.7  .086	-2.0    1.3 -0.7  0.7
09 Courtney Lee	     SG	 30  TOT  71  2088  12.0  .566	.341  .195  4.9  8.9   1.8  1.0	 9.8  14.9  2.2	 .086	-0.2   -0.3 -0.5  0.8
Rk Player            Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   TRB% AST%  STL% BLK% TOV% USG%  WS   WS/48 ▾ OBPM  DBPM  BPM  VORP
10 Ian Clark         SG  24  GSW  61   556  12.0  .549	.415  .170  6.5  15.6  1.4  1.6  16.3 19.9  0.9  .080	-1.5   -1.3 -2.9 -0.1
11 Bradley Beal      SG  22  WAS  50  1554  15.6  .547  .336  .219  6.2  15.5  1.5  0.5  11.1 25.4  2.5  .076    1.0   -1.7 -0.8  0.5
12 Jerryd Bayless    SG  27  MIL  52  1505  12.5  .568	.529  .206  5.3  16.2  1.6  0.6  13.3 16.5  2.4  .076	 1.1   -2.1 -1.0  0.4
13 E'Twaun Moore     SG  26  CHI  56  1182  11.5  .553  .263  .096  5.5  11.9  1.4  1.0  11.8 15.9  1.8  .074	-1.1   -0.6 -1.7  0.1
14 Eric Gordon       SG  27  NOP  45  1481  13.6  .565  .533  .226  3.7  12.8  1.4  0.8  10.7 20.3  2.2  .072    1.7   -2.0 -0.3  0.6
15 Gerald Henderson  SG  28  POR  66  1290  13.0  .527  .268  .272  8.3  7.8   1.3  1.2	 10.0 20.0  1.9  .071	-2.0   -1.3 -3.3 -0.4
Rk Player            Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   TRB% AST%  STL% BLK% TOV% USG%  WS   WS/48 ▾ OBPM  DBPM  BPM  VORP
16 Arron Afflalo     SG  30  NYK  65  2200  11.1  .534	.294  .168  6.1  9.8   0.5  0.3  8.8  18.1  2.5  .055	-0.5   -1.8 -2.3 -0.2
17 Kevin Martin      SG  32  TOT  50   995  11.4  .516	.313  .412  5.5  8.5   1.1  0.2  9.3  22.7  1.0  .050	-1.4   -3.4 -4.8 -0.7
18 Dion Waiters	     SG  24  OKC  71  1967  9.0   .490	.338  .204  5.1	 9.4   1.8  0.5  13.4 17.4  1.8  .044	-1.7   -0.6 -2.4 -0.2
19 Jordan Clarkson   SG  23  LAL  72  2315  14.5  .515	.277  .190  6.6  14.2  1.7  0.2  10.1 22.9  2.0  .041    0.6   -2.1 -1.5  0.3
20 Markel Brown      SG  24  BRK  54   772  10.9  .510	.398  .343  6.3  13.6  1.8  0.7  12.8 18.1  0.6  .040	-1.1   -1.9 -3.0 -0.2
21 Gerald Green      SG  30  MIA  62  1438  9.2   .480	.443  .158  6.0  5.7   1.1  1.0  7.5  19.6  1.1  .037	-1.8   -1.7 -3.5 -0.5
22 Sasha Vujacic     SG  31  NYK  55   745  9.4   .463	.509  .147  8.8  13.9  2.1  0.3  13.4 16.7  0.5  .030	-1.8   -0.7 -2.5 -0.1
23 Randy Foye        SG  32  TOT  74  1500  7.6   .458	.532  .151  5.5  14.3  1.2  1.3  14.0 15.7  0.4  .013	-2.2   -1.3 -3.4 -0.5
24 O.J. Mayo         SG  28  MIL  41  1090  7.7   .474	.505  .125  5.5  15.9  2.2  0.6  17.5 17.0 -0.1	-0.004	-1.9   -1.5 -3.4 -0.4
Rk Player            Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   TRB% AST%  STL% BLK% TOV% USG%  WS   WS/48 ▾ OBPM  DBPM  BPM  VORP
01 Mike Conley	     PG  28  MEM  56  1760  19.4  .538  .309  .329  5.3  32.9  2.0  0.8  9.5  22.6  5.4  .147    3.7   -1.9  1.7  1.7
02 D.J. Augustin     PG  28  TOT  56  1061  14.3  .582  .479  .371  4.6	 25.1  1.6  0.2  16.5 17.8  2.6  .120    1.3   -2.6 -1.3  0.2
03 Ramon Sessions    PG  29  WAS  75  1469  15.0  .556	.186  .498  7.0  19.3  1.4  0.3  13.6 21.7  2.9  .095	-0.9   -1.4 -2.3 -0.1
04 Brandon Jennings  PG  26  TOT  44   799  14.1  .495  .514  .269  6.3  28.8  1.6  0.6  13.8 20.4  1.5  .090    0.7   -1.7 -1.0  0.2
05 Rajon Rondo	     PG  29  SAC  70  2466  16.8  .504  .218  .189  9.2  47.9  2.7  0.3  25.0 18.8  4.4  .085    0.7    0.2  0.9  1.8
06 Donald Sloan      PG  28  BRK  54  1164  13.8  .540	.285  .325  7.9  29.0  1.3  0.2  18.2 15.9  1.7  .072	-0.4   -1.7 -2.1  0.0
Rk Player            Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   TRB% AST%  STL% BLK% TOV% USG%  WS   WS/48 ▾ OBPM  DBPM  BPM  VORP
07 Isaiah Canaan     PG  24  PHI  74  1880  10.9  .527  .671  .248  4.8  11.3  1.4  0.4  10.6 19.8  1.3  .034    0.1   -2.9 -2.8 -0.4
08 Ish Smith         PG  27  TOT  70  1993  15.3  .460	.161  .181  7.5  39.4  2.0  0.7  13.8 24.4  1.2  .028	-0.4   -1.0 -1.4  0.3
09 Ty Lawson         PG  28  TOT  59  1257  9.5   .485	.319  .256  4.3  23.2  1.9  0.4  19.8 14.9  0.6  .024	-2.7   -2.1 -4.8 -0.9
10 Norris Cole	     PG  27  NOP  45  1198  10.9  .465	.211  .134  7.0  22.1  1.5  0.3  12.8 21.7  0.0	-0.002	-2.3   -1.2 -3.5 -0.5
11 Greivis Vasquez   PG  29  MIL  17   374   8.8  .456	.482  .219  6.1  28.9  1.1  0.0  19.9 18.8 -0.1	-0.009	-2.3   -3.7 -6.0 -0.4
Rk Player            Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   TRB% AST%  STL% BLK% TOV% USG%  WS   WS/48 ▾ OBPM  DBPM  BPM  VORP
01 Kevin Durant      SF  27  OKC  67  2403  28.1  .634	.339  .359  12.6 24.0  1.3  2.6  13.5 30.4  13.5 .269	 6.8    1.0  7.8  6.0
02 Luol Deng         SF  30  MIA  66  2117  14.9  .545	.345  .267  10.3 8.4   1.6   1.0 8.3  17.4  5.6  .128	 1.1    0.5  1.6  1.9
03 Michael Beasley   SF  27  HOU  13   257  22.6  .572	.054  .209  14.6 6.8   1.5  2.6  9.5  30.0  0.6  .114	-1.4   -2.9 -4.3 -0.1
04 Harrison Barnes   SF  23  GSW  59  1812  12.0  .544	.316  .225  8.5  8.1   1.1  0.4  7.4  15.8  4.3  .113	 0.1   -0.5 -0.4  0.7
05 Evan Fournier     SF  23  ORL  71  2277  14.4  .579	.425  .249  4.9  12.7  1.9  0.1  10.8 19.7  5.0  .106	 1.9   -1.4  0.6  1.5
06 Solomon Hill      SF  24  IND  51   660  10.7  .499	.326  .243  10.0 9.6   1.9  1.2  11.1 12.0  1.4  .105	-2.0	1.3 -0.7  0.2
07 Kent Bazemore     SF  26  ATL  70  1935  12.9  .547	.416  .206  9.6  12.1  2.2  1.3  14.4 19.8  3.5  .088	-1.4    1.3 -0.1  0.9
08 Maurice Harkless  SF  22  POR  71  1263  12.6  .544	.353  .274  9.9  7.0   1.5  1.7  12.9 15.3  2.3  .086	-0.8    0.0 -0.9  0.4
09 Chase Budinger    SF  27  TOT  60   865  10.6  .506	.366  .223  8.9  9.6   1.7  0.8  13.1 14.3  1.4	 .075	-2.1    0.3 -1.7  0.1
Rk Player            Pos Age Tm   G   MP    PER   TS%   3PAr  FTr   TRB% AST%  STL% BLK% TOV% USG%  WS   WS/48 ▾ OBPM  DBPM  BPM  VORP
10 Jeff Green        SF  29  TOT  72  2052  12.9  .512	.259  .265  8.5	 10.0  1.3  1.5  9.3  19.8  2.9  .069	-1.0   -0.7 -1.6  0.2
11 Garrett Temple    SF  29  WAS  73  1812  9.1   .518  .511  .246  6.0  9.7   1.7  0.7  9.4  13.9  2.5  .065	-1.0    0.0 -1.0  0.4
12 Lance Thomas      SF  27  NYK  59  1313  10.5  .557	.285  .312  5.5  6.4   0.9  0.4  11.6 16.9  1.7  .061	-1.1   -2.1 -3.2 -0.4
13 Jarell Eddie      SF  24  WAS  22    99  10.8  .492	.791  .093  8.0  3.0   1.0  0.8  2.2  20.3  0.1  .047	-1.3   -4.3 -5.6 -0.1
14 Cleanthony Early  SF  24  NYK  11	34  7.0   .583	.667  .000  3.2  4.4   1.5  2.2  14.3 9.3   0.0  .042	-2.8   -0.6 -3.3  0.0
15 Sergey Karasev    SF  22  BRK  38   366  8.9   .584	.515  .379  7.7  10.6  0.8  0.4  19.8 11.8  0.3  .040	-2.2   -1.8 -4.0 -0.2
16 P.J. Hairston     SF  23  TOT  62  1251  7.0   .473  .590  .158  7.2  4.5   1.2  0.7  8.7  16.2  0.7  .025	-2.6   -1.4 -3.9 -0.6

I think Grant, Gallo and Wroten will be capable of doing a lot of this stuff. Now as for any upgrades this summer it's clear to me that great speed and handles are gonna be HUGE plusses for anyone Horn might want. Obviously a 3nD SG with speed and athletic ability. We've talked about guys like Crabbe, Bazemore and Fournier. They are guys I can see fitting this style.

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:To help get some kind of idea of what Horn was doing in PHX, here's a video breaking down his offense, which I would assume he'll use to some extent here in NY even if mixed with some Triangle.

I think Grant, Gallo and Wroten will be capable of doing a lot of this stuff. Now as for any upgrades this summer it's clear to me that great speed and handles are gonna be HUGE plusses for anyone Horn might want. Obviously a 3nD SG with speed and athletic ability. We've talked about guys like Crabbe, Bazemore and Fournier. They are guys I can see fitting this style.

Agreed. Bazemore, Fournier, or Crabbe. Must get one of those 3 players. Maybe Augustine, Vasquez, or Chalmers can share time with Grant at PG on a 1-year contract. Galloway, if resigned, can play mostly backup SG. Anything we get from Wroten is a bonus.

Well the thing about Wroten, if he's healthy, is that he's not a blend in guy. If he's on the floor he's gonna be pushing and making things happen. I'm curious to see what Horn can do for our guards in terms of developing them. A kid like Wroten has so much Physical talent. The Speed, handles and explosion is gonna be a plus in Horn's style of uptempo offense IMO. If the paint is open he's getting dunks! Believe me you want his speed pushing the ball and attacking the basket in the halfcourt.

I can see a kid like Wroten thriving in Horn's system as would Grant and Gallo IMO. All of them are at their best pushing the ball and attacking off Picks. Then if you add a Bazemore, Fournier or Crabbe type SG that seems like a great combination for how Horn likes to play.

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:To help get some kind of idea of what Horn was doing in PHX, here's a video breaking down his offense, which I would assume he'll use to some extent here in NY even if mixed with some Triangle.

I think Grant, Gallo and Wroten will be capable of doing a lot of this stuff. Now as for any upgrades this summer it's clear to me that great speed and handles are gonna be HUGE plusses for anyone Horn might want. Obviously a 3nD SG with speed and athletic ability. We've talked about guys like Crabbe, Bazemore and Fournier. They are guys I can see fitting this style.

Agreed. Bazemore, Fournier, or Crabbe. Must get one of those 3 players. Maybe Augustine, Vasquez, or Chalmers can share time with Grant at PG on a 1-year contract. Galloway, if resigned, can play mostly backup SG. Anything we get from Wroten is a bonus.

Well the thing about Wroten, if he's healthy, is that he's not a blend in guy. If he's on the floor he's gonna be pushing and making things happen. I'm curious to see what Horn can do for our guards in terms of developing them. A kid like Wroten has so much Physical talent. The Speed, handles and explosion is gonna be a plus in Horn's style of uptempo offense IMO. If the paint is open he's getting dunks! Believe me you want his speed pushing the ball and attacking the basket in the halfcourt.

I can see a kid like Wroten thriving in Horn's system as would Grant and Gallo IMO. All of them are at their best pushing the ball and attacking off Picks. Then if you add a Bazemore, Fournier or Crabbe type SG that seems like a great combination for how Horn likes to play.

Wroten and Grant can push the ball but Hornacek wants guys that can shoot the ball as well which as we know Wroten and Grant can't do, Grant is working with C.Jackson and got better with his shooting in his last few games but we definitely need 1 or 2 shooters in free agency.

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nixluva wrote:To help get some kind of idea of what Horn was doing in PHX, here's a video breaking down his offense, which I would assume he'll use to some extent here in NY even if mixed with some Triangle.

I think Grant, Gallo and Wroten will be capable of doing a lot of this stuff. Now as for any upgrades this summer it's clear to me that great speed and handles are gonna be HUGE plusses for anyone Horn might want. Obviously a 3nD SG with speed and athletic ability. We've talked about guys like Crabbe, Bazemore and Fournier. They are guys I can see fitting this style.

Agreed. Bazemore, Fournier, or Crabbe. Must get one of those 3 players. Maybe Augustine, Vasquez, or Chalmers can share time with Grant at PG on a 1-year contract. Galloway, if resigned, can play mostly backup SG. Anything we get from Wroten is a bonus.

Well the thing about Wroten, if he's healthy, is that he's not a blend in guy. If he's on the floor he's gonna be pushing and making things happen. I'm curious to see what Horn can do for our guards in terms of developing them. A kid like Wroten has so much Physical talent. The Speed, handles and explosion is gonna be a plus in Horn's style of uptempo offense IMO. If the paint is open he's getting dunks! Believe me you want his speed pushing the ball and attacking the basket in the halfcourt.

I can see a kid like Wroten thriving in Horn's system as would Grant and Gallo IMO. All of them are at their best pushing the ball and attacking off Picks. Then if you add a Bazemore, Fournier or Crabbe type SG that seems like a great combination for how Horn likes to play.

Wroten and Grant can push the ball but Hornacek wants guys that can shoot the ball as well which as we know Wroten and Grant can't do, Grant is working with C.Jackson and got better with his shooting in his last few games but we definitely need 1 or 2 shooters in free agency.

Exactly. Phil hasn't been unaware of this Wroten has been working daily with H2O as well. So I would guess all of our young guards were instructed to work HEAVILY on their jumpers.

I suspect that SG's that can hit the 3 remains a HUGE target for Phil this summer. We have the dribble penetration with Grant and Wroten and whoever else Phil adds will likely have to have the ability to penetrate as well as shoot. We also still have Jose who can be a SG off the bench.

You have to hope the plan is to try and get Fournier or Allen Crabbe as the 3rd legit guard.

Also Gerald Green is a UFA who shouldn't cost a lot to acquire. Also I looked into Hill and even though the Pacers do have cap space some weird provision in the CBA doesn't allow them to match a offer made for him for more than 2.5 Million. The goal should be to try and lock up some young guys with upside and see if they can benefit from playing in whatever system Hornecek uses.

nixluva wrote:

Chandler wrote:what about Ian Clark? I've only seem him a little but he looked good.

Ian Clark is a nice option. He's been learning in Golden State and when he fills in he's looked good to me. He might be someone we could pick off because GS has so much talent and may not wish to spend too much on him. I have been paying attention to him in the playoffs when he's comes in the games.

You have to be careful with players on a team like GS because they can look much better than they really are when the other teams are paying more attention to the other guys on the court with him when he's out there.

wargames wrote:You have to hope the plan is to try and get Fournier or Allen Crabbe as the 3rd legit guard.

Also Gerald Green is a UFA who shouldn't cost a lot to acquire. Also I looked into Hill and even though the Pacers do have cap space some weird provision in the CBA doesn't allow them to match a offer made for him for more than 2.5 Million. The goal should be to try and lock up some young guys with upside and see if they can benefit from playing in whatever system Hornecek uses.

Good catch. Hill is the kind of guy we can pick off in this kind of market. That's the kind of thinking i'm hoping to see this summer.

nixluva wrote:

wargames wrote:You have to hope the plan is to try and get Fournier or Allen Crabbe as the 3rd legit guard.

Also Gerald Green is a UFA who shouldn't cost a lot to acquire. Also I looked into Hill and even though the Pacers do have cap space some weird provision in the CBA doesn't allow them to match a offer made for him for more than 2.5 Million. The goal should be to try and lock up some young guys with upside and see if they can benefit from playing in whatever system Hornecek uses.

Good catch. Hill is the kind of guy we can pick off in this kind of market. That's the kind of thinking i'm hoping to see this summer.

Hill reminds me of Wilson Chandlers and I do not mind he is on this team. He can do many things in a non-fancy way.

stopstandthere wrote:

nixluva wrote:

wargames wrote:You have to hope the plan is to try and get Fournier or Allen Crabbe as the 3rd legit guard.

Also Gerald Green is a UFA who shouldn't cost a lot to acquire. Also I looked into Hill and even though the Pacers do have cap space some weird provision in the CBA doesn't allow them to match a offer made for him for more than 2.5 Million. The goal should be to try and lock up some young guys with upside and see if they can benefit from playing in whatever system Hornecek uses.

Good catch. Hill is the kind of guy we can pick off in this kind of market. That's the kind of thinking i'm hoping to see this summer.

Hill reminds me of Wilson Chandlers and I do not mind he is on this team. He can do many things in a non-fancy way.

His highlights sure do look like Wilson Chandler. If the Knicks help him master that 3 pt shot he could definitely come off the bench and be a major contributor as a 3/4.