So given what PHO ran with JH, is it a good pairing? Is he a wise long-term investment in light of this?

Why he choose Hornacek over the others is interesting to say the least. We think we know Phil and we don't really know Hornacek that well other than he obviously impressed Phil both as a player and as a coach/Person.

I see Memphis maxing Conley and trying to get Pau Gasol to play with his brother. I think they might get Vogel and they have a team option on Lance Stephenson. Memphis could be very good again quickly, provided they get healthy.

I like Conley a lot, but at $25M a year? Yikes.

ChuckBuck wrote:God I hope not. Stash that money away for the remote chance of landing a Curry, Westbrook, CP3, or Greek Freak next summer.

There is literally zero chance we get any of those guys.

Nalod wrote:could be, all we know is JVG has always had a problem with Phil and was very happy about the hire, in particular to have learned he would not be required to run the Triangle.
How he knows this, he did not say. I like Jeff but he is becoming an sensationalist with his opinions and while it makes for good drama on a broadcast, its not really that substantial.

Why he choose Hornacek over the others is interesting to say the least. We think we know Phil and we don't really know Hornacek that well other than he obviously impressed Phil both as a player and as a coach/Person.

I never liked JVG and really came to disrespect him over the years. Quitter and unimaginative. Knicks were successful with him as coach, despite him, not bc of him.

I wonder if he and Mark Jackson ever have private conversations to the effect of "why doesn't anyone want us a coach anymore?" Clue: you're both long on talk and short on ideas

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:could be, all we know is JVG has always had a problem with Phil and was very happy about the hire, in particular to have learned he would not be required to run the Triangle.
How he knows this, he did not say. I like Jeff but he is becoming an sensationalist with his opinions and while it makes for good drama on a broadcast, its not really that substantial.

Why he choose Hornacek over the others is interesting to say the least. We think we know Phil and we don't really know Hornacek that well other than he obviously impressed Phil both as a player and as a coach/Person.

I never liked JVG and really came to disrespect him over the years. Quitter and unimaginative. Knicks were successful with him as coach, despite him, not bc of him.

I wonder if he and Mark Jackson ever have private conversations to the effect of "why doesn't anyone want us a coach anymore?" Clue: you're both long on talk and short on ideas

+1

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:God I hope not. Stash that money away for the remote chance of landing a Curry, Westbrook, CP3, or Greek Freak next summer.

There is literally zero chance we get any of those guys.

i think Giannis is a RFA next summer. Bucks will have some issues though. They have a lot of money being tied up and they'll have to start thinking who they can afford and who they can't. Jabari is not far off before he sticks his hand out. Would love the Freak on NYK

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Nalod wrote:could be, all we know is JVG has always had a problem with Phil and was very happy about the hire, in particular to have learned he would not be required to run the Triangle.
How he knows this, he did not say. I like Jeff but he is becoming an sensationalist with his opinions and while it makes for good drama on a broadcast, its not really that substantial.

Why he choose Hornacek over the others is interesting to say the least. We think we know Phil and we don't really know Hornacek that well other than he obviously impressed Phil both as a player and as a coach/Person.

I never liked JVG and really came to disrespect him over the years. Quitter and unimaginative. Knicks were successful with him as coach, despite him, not bc of him.

I wonder if he and Mark Jackson ever have private conversations to the effect of "why doesn't anyone want us a coach anymore?" Clue: you're both long on talk and short on ideas

+1

i should have added hypocrite. for all his sermons about character, effort, etc., he just quit (same too for his brother)

Chandler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think the Conley situation is fluid, but I suspect he'll try to stay in Memphis for the max.

I see Memphis maxing Conley and trying to get Pau Gasol to play with his brother. I think they might get Vogel and they have a team option on Lance Stephenson. Memphis could be very good again quickly, provided they get healthy.

I like Conley a lot, but at $25M a year? Yikes.

i have a strange feeling Grizzlies are going to blow up and start over. SOmething real strange there with coach wanting out for last 2 years and Wallace having his own rumores

I wouldn't be surprised if they let Conley go and they already told him he wouldn't be offered more than he was alreayd making. I could see him in Sacramento -- for some stability.

ALso if M.Gasol can be traded I'd suspect the Celts will be offering. It seems crazy to say (no pun intended) but they have too many young players and too many picks which are slotted for the same type of young guys they already have. My crystal ball says they offer their two latter first round picks and something else for Gasol. They also have a history of trades and IIRC Wallace has Celt connections

I personally don't get the love for COnley. Not a fit, and why would you want to pay a guy more (perhaps a lot more) than he's currently making, when all you can expect is that his play will decline during the contract. We want guys on the upswing if we're going to pay a lot

Funny you say that because I was trying to figure out how we could leverage the Celtics'assets to bring Marc Gasol to NY as well. The best I came up with was:

BOS: Robin Lopez, cash (via NYK) and future 2nd rounders (via NYK)
MEM: Amir Johnson, 16th pick and 23rd pick
NYK: Marc Gasol and pick no. 45

I'd love Conley and Gasol to pair with what we've got but I doubt the Celtics would allow it to happen, since they are likely to be more interested in Gasol than Lopez.

As for Conley, you raise some pretty valid points but how is he not a fit in a pick and roll heavy offense (that Hornancek is likely to run)? I wouldn't pay him the max but would approach it and make sure that his 4th year has a team option to effectively make the contract a 3 year deal. At 29 years old, we'd still be able to get good play out of him during the length of the deal.

Chandler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:God I hope not. Stash that money away for the remote chance of landing a Curry, Westbrook, CP3, or Greek Freak next summer.

There is literally zero chance we get any of those guys.

i think Giannis is a RFA next summer. Bucks will have some issues though. They have a lot of money being tied up and they'll have to start thinking who they can afford and who they can't. Jabari is not far off before he sticks his hand out. Would love the Freak on NYK

Gianni's or Gordon Hayward would be my top FA goals next year. I have no idea if the Knicks will be decent enough to even entertain chasing them though.

NardDogNation wrote:

Chandler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think the Conley situation is fluid, but I suspect he'll try to stay in Memphis for the max.

I see Memphis maxing Conley and trying to get Pau Gasol to play with his brother. I think they might get Vogel and they have a team option on Lance Stephenson. Memphis could be very good again quickly, provided they get healthy.

I like Conley a lot, but at $25M a year? Yikes.

i have a strange feeling Grizzlies are going to blow up and start over. SOmething real strange there with coach wanting out for last 2 years and Wallace having his own rumores

I wouldn't be surprised if they let Conley go and they already told him he wouldn't be offered more than he was alreayd making. I could see him in Sacramento -- for some stability.

ALso if M.Gasol can be traded I'd suspect the Celts will be offering. It seems crazy to say (no pun intended) but they have too many young players and too many picks which are slotted for the same type of young guys they already have. My crystal ball says they offer their two latter first round picks and something else for Gasol. They also have a history of trades and IIRC Wallace has Celt connections

I personally don't get the love for COnley. Not a fit, and why would you want to pay a guy more (perhaps a lot more) than he's currently making, when all you can expect is that his play will decline during the contract. We want guys on the upswing if we're going to pay a lot

Funny you say that because I was trying to figure out how we could leverage the Celtics'assets to bring Marc Gasol to NY as well. The best I came up with was:

BOS: Robin Lopez, cash (via NYK) and future 2nd rounders (via NYK)
MEM: Amir Johnson, 16th pick and 23rd pick
NYK: Marc Gasol and pick no. 45

I'd love Conley and Gasol to pair with what we've got but I doubt the Celtics would allow it to happen, since they are likely to be more interested in Gasol than Lopez.

As for Conley, you raise some pretty valid points but how is he not a fit in a pick and roll heavy offense (that Hornancek is likely to run)? I wouldn't pay him the max but would approach it and make sure that his 4th year has a team option to effectively make the contract a 3 year deal. At 29 years old, we'd still be able to get good play out of him during the length of the deal.

That trade is lopsided for NY. No way I see MEM doing that.