Lets go on the assumption the triangle is never 100% of the time. Did Phil really run it 100%? and that Hornacek is going embrace but he might have had an idea that Phil really got excited about. I prefer to think the man with 13 rings has respected Hornacek and thats why he hired him.

Nothing here really seems substantial except to create the same level of distain that seems to be his schtick: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/isola-odd-hornacek-pick-sense-knicks-peculiar-jax-article-1.2642102

Isola has made some weak links to put it together. Sad kind of. Some how that he and Rambis played together, or that phil tried to trade for him all adds up. Call it respect for his career, and now as a coach.

My opinion is Phil hired fish not for what he was, but for what he thought he could be. Jeff is more polished and I'm guessing still has upside as a coach.

So I respect the man with 13 rings and his choice. Phils mistake with Fish is not relevant to the future. We live, we learn and we grow. Greatest coach of all time picked this man. Thats good enough for me. I respect that.

When Phil sought Kerr did anyone say what a genius he was? No, not really. With the benefit of hindsight we can now say maybe he has the eye for talent. And Kerr was no triangle zealot.

I agree re Fisher. I think Phil hoped he would grow as a coach but the fact that fish thought he knew it all already didn't help him (especially since he was losing and being out coached pretty consistently)

This time Phil got his man or so it seems! The best guess as to why hornacek is the choice is that jeff probably blew it out of the park, that he was able to explain to why he did this or that and that those explanations resonated. I suspect that went beyond Xs and Os

Also Jeff grew up in a system not triangle for sure but the Sloan system. You have to respect what that system did. Do you think Malone Stocton or Hornacek would have been nearly as good on other teams? They relied on intelligent play and team play and I'm sure that got high marks from Phil too

Having said all that I was really hoping for Vogel and think he's a terrific coach but will be fascinated to see how this plays out

ChuckBuck wrote:This is apropos

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We're such a battered fanbase for 43+ years that we're just happy to hire someone that isn't a complete schmuck hole like
This really isn't a good coaching hire by any means.

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:This is apropos

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We're such a battered fanbase for 43+ years that we're just happy to hire someone that isn't a complete schmuck hole like
This really isn't a good coaching hire by any means.

How do you know this isn't a good coach? When he had a little talent he won games. Until the Sun made a slew of bad moves and they had injuries to key players. If Phil
Picked him over Blatt and Vogel then he must have impressed Phil on some level. This was a HUGE decision for Phil. There won't be another coach anytime soon. He has to get this one right. I think that's why he took his time.

It seems like a knee jerk hire from the negative backlash of him going on vacay instead of conducting a hardcore coaching search from day 1.

Vogel would've been the best hire(not named Thibs). He actually worked with Phil and has more experience working with players than Blatt and anyone else including deep playoff runs with Indy. Blatt would be a good consolation prize.

People are questioning this hire because it truly goes against everything Phil has been preaching for the last 3 years. Phil might as well pen a new book on this sudden pivot in philosophy "How I caved to the New York pressure but still made $60m in the process".

I think having a coach with an established system he respects and knows, weighed a lot in Phils decision. He realizes a coach with 100% triangle experience (Rambis) or a coach not willing to adapt (Fish) isn't the answer. So it came down to who's system philosophy will merge well with the triangle and which coach has enough experience and respect amoungst players.

Also, which coach will give Phil the flexibility to jump in and out of practices and look over their shoulder, without any conflicts. Vogel or Thibs to me are more Coach / GM types.....

Phil might appear to be hands off......But I believe it's the opposite now, especially since the knicks have been terrible two str8 years into his 5 year contract.

This is why I don't think Phil wants to hire a coach thats stuck in their own philosophy (Vogel, Thibs, Gundy's, etc....) Just look at who he wanted, who he got (Fish), who replaced Fish (Rambis) and who he's about to hire. All these guys are still wet behind the ears, with potential to improve.....similar to what he was when he entered the coaching circus with the Bulls. Who am I (no rings and no NBA experience) to question a man with 13 rings and more NBA experience that my years on earth.

There are only a few people on this planet who can question Phils thinking. Not some coach potato, beer belly, knick fan....I'm not a Phil fan like some of the guys in here, but I'm not dumb enough to question someone with an impressive resume, who will go down as one of the top 3 NBA coaches ever.....

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:This is apropos

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/talkhoops/status/733093512103628800

We're such a battered fanbase for 43+ years that we're just happy to hire someone that isn't a complete schmuck hole like
This really isn't a good coaching hire by any means.

How do you know this isn't a good coach? When he had a little talent he won games. Until the Sun made a slew of bad moves and they had injuries to key players. If Phil
Picked him over Blatt and Vogel then he must have impressed Phil on some level. This was a HUGE decision for Phil. There won't be another coach anytime soon. He has to get this one right. I think that's why he took his time.

It seems like a knee jerk hire from the negative backlash of him going on vacay instead of conducting a hardcore coaching search from day 1.

Vogel would've been the best hire(not named Thibs). He actually worked with Phil and has more experience working with players than Blatt and anyone else including deep playoff runs with Indy. Blatt would be a good consolation prize.

People are questioning this hire because it truly goes against everything Phil has been preaching for the last 3 years. Phil might as well pen a new book on this sudden pivot in philosophy "How I caved to the New York pressure but still made $60m in the process".

It doesn't go against everything Phil has bee preaching! If people actually listened to what he has been saying. He never said the Triangle is the only thing he'd allow. He said he did want system basketball were there was ball and player movement.

He's not gonna accept some half assed plan tho. A coach would have to really impress him for him to believe in a different approach. Fish was all over the place rather than having a clear vision. Phil probably felt he should've stuck to the program more since he lacked experience. Perhaps Jeff was much more impressive with his BBall knowledge and convinced Phil he knew what to do.

I'll say this, real recognizes real!!! You can't bluff Phil when it comes to coaching. Also perhaps Phil preferred Jeff's demeanor. There's a lot that goes into it. Phil is a different cat, as we know. Maybe Jeff is similar.

fishmike wrote:If we have learned anything from maxing Melo, trying for Kerr, hiring Fisher, firing Fisher, drafting KP, trading for Grant.. nobody saw Phil's moves coming(except maybe resigning Melo, but resigning your best player isn't great detective work). We don't know and the media sure as phuck doesn't know either.

I like it and cosign this move. We can now use our cap wisely and build from here. The ship is righted finally. Also, Rambis might make a fine defensive coach/assistant. I think Phil's head clearing Montana trip was the right medicine for clear thought....and F the media

Rookie wrote:I like this move. Hornaceks' offense is more effective in today's NBA and will maximize the talent we already have instead of trying to shape the talent to fit the triangle. Hornacek's 2 guard high PnR offense is similar in a lot of ways to what Grant was playing at Notre Dame where he played with a smaller faster penetrating lead guard. I think this offense will be effective with Grant and Wroten, and our front court has 2 players who can shoot (Melo/KP) and our center rebounds and sets monster screens.

I like it and cosign this move. We can now use our cap wisely and build from here. The ship is righted finally. Also, Rambis might make a fine defensive coach/assistant. I think Phil's head clearing Montana trip was the right medicine for clear thought....and F the media

Like Barry was to Phil, as his long standing assistant for 9 out of 11 championships, and was inducted into the HOF.....Phil mostlikely sold Rambis on this same role for the next coach. Everybody isn't meant to be a head coach......We all have to know our roles and play it to the best of our ability. Phil gave Rambis a chance to prove himself, and it was clear that Rambis isn't ready to be a head coach.....Fisher wasn't ready to be a head coach. Lets hope he's right about this new hire!