The Knicks absolutely got WORSE under Kurt Rambis. The stats are undeniable.

winning percentage, defense, and offense? their record went from something like 13-17 under Fisher when games were within 5 points with 5minutes to go in games to 1-10 with Rambis in those games.

Their winning percentage on Feb 1 was .460. They finished .390 overall, .321 under Rambis

They were 16th in the league in offensive efficiency on Feb 1st

They were 25th in the league in offensive efficiency on the last day of the season (but Phil said the Triangle made progress under Rambis... somehow!)

On Feb 1st, their scoring differential was -1.7. They finished the season -2.7

Their opponent shooting percentage was 44.1% on February 1st, it was 44.3% at the end of the season. So even that went up.

I mean, I am astounded that anyone thinks Rambis had the team playing better? They played like crap under him. He is a terrible coach.

all stats grabbed from this site - https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency

related reading - http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/4/6/11377934/phil-jackson-kurt-rambis-head-coach-knicks

The Knicks, 8-16 since Rambis took over, have lost eight of nine games that were separated by five points or fewer during the final five minutes of play—the second-worst mark in the NBA over that span. The Knicks were 13-17 in such situations under Fisher, according to NBA.com.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-does-knicks-president-phil-jackson-see-in-kurt-rambis-1459989558

He played 3 games in a row or more of 20 minutes or more three times under Fisher.

crzymdups wrote:I'm not going to break it out to the exact game, but Arron Afflalo's regression under Rambis was startling.

Pre-Allstar break Afflalo

14.2ppg 45.1%fg 34mpg

Post-Allstar break Afflalo

10.0ppg 42.2%fg 32mpg

And Afflalo became noticeably disgruntled under Rambis. Phil has said Rambis has an ability to "connect" with players... uh... did anyone hear a single Knicks player compliment Rambis once after he took over? Compare that to how players raved about Woodson constantly after he took over for MDA. This was not a coach the players responded to on the court or complimented off the court.

Yet we're going to give him a multi-year deal without seriously interviewing any other candidate.

If its between Affalolololo or rambis its a pretty easy decision. Gotta back your franchise player!!!

martin wrote:Posted this in the other thread:

Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup).

I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing.

All fair. Lance is insanely important to team play and defense.

But I think the numbers make a case that Rambis getting the job without seriously considering another candidate is extremely reckless

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Posted this in the other thread:

Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup).

I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing.

All fair. Lance is insanely important to team play and defense.

But I think the numbers make a case that Rambis getting the job without seriously considering another candidate is extremely reckless

If you numbers are effected by missing players, how can you judge Rambis on those numbers?

I really do feel that continuity is THE most important ingredient for next year and maybe the year after. Switching up the offense and defense year after year is awful. KP's growth, Jerian's growth, Rolo's growth, LT growth and even Melo's growth are THE most important things for this year and next year; second to the would be Gallo, Wroten, DWill, WillyG if they are on the team.

I think Phil seriously considered what type of coach he wanted to work with, what type of coach would implement his system, what coach is best for continuity. Why would he bother with Thibs, JVG in those instances? Blatt for sure. Walton for sure.

Given the current circumstances Blatt would be my pick, but that's a compromise pick.

I just want sanity. I want lack of ego. Isn't zen supposed to be about giving up your ego? I don't know if Phil is there yet.

If I had my druthers, I'd install JVG as Coach and President of the Knicks. I have said this for the past ten years at least. Dolan will never do it, so we're cursed by a parade of blowhards who talk a good game. Walsh was a nice reprieve, but Dolan took care of that quickly.

Continuity would be nice, but I just take serious issue with the basic premise that the Triangle is the right way to go here. I think it will not work. I would love to be wrong. If I am wrong, I promise you I will admit it.

yellowboy90 wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Posted this in the other thread:

Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup).

I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing.

All fair. Lance is insanely important to team play and defense.

But I think the numbers make a case that Rambis getting the job without seriously considering another candidate is extremely reckless

If you numbers are effected by missing players, how can you judge Rambis on those numbers?

I really do feel that continuity is THE most important ingredient for next year and maybe the year after. Switching up the offense and defense year after year is awful. KP's growth, Jerian's growth, Rolo's growth, LT growth and even Melo's growth are THE most important things for this year and next year; second to the would be Gallo, Wroten, DWill, WillyG if they are on the team.

I think Phil seriously considered what type of coach he wanted to work with, what type of coach would implement his system, what coach is best for continuity. Why would he bother with Thibs, JVG in those instances? Blatt for sure. Walton for sure.

Injuries and players missing games affected numbers before the all star break too.

and how about the way that Rolo started out?

yellowboy90 wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Posted this in the other thread:

Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup).

I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing.

All fair. Lance is insanely important to team play and defense.

But I think the numbers make a case that Rambis getting the job without seriously considering another candidate is extremely reckless

If you numbers are effected by missing players, how can you judge Rambis on those numbers?

I really do feel that continuity is THE most important ingredient for next year and maybe the year after. Switching up the offense and defense year after year is awful. KP's growth, Jerian's growth, Rolo's growth, LT growth and even Melo's growth are THE most important things for this year and next year; second to the would be Gallo, Wroten, DWill, WillyG if they are on the team.

I think Phil seriously considered what type of coach he wanted to work with, what type of coach would implement his system, what coach is best for continuity. Why would he bother with Thibs, JVG in those instances? Blatt for sure. Walton for sure.

Injuries and players missing games affected numbers before the all star break too.

lay them out. I don't think they were are massive as the games missed during Rambis timeline, but I could be off.

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Posted this in the other thread:

Fish was let go 2/9. Lance Thomas first was injured 2/5 (concussion) and then the knee 3/8 and missed the rest of season (I have a feeling the play of Lance actually correlates to the losing of the Knicks very tightly). KP hit the rookie wall in early Feb and that lasted into March. Jose didn't play for the last 7 games of season, same with KP (that's 2 of 5 starting lineup).

I thought that the play of Rolo and DWill finished the year strong. Jerian was nice at the end but that felt like it was forced. Melo had a very nice March finally getting his legs back after the Boston tripping thing.

All fair. Lance is insanely important to team play and defense.

But I think the numbers make a case that Rambis getting the job without seriously considering another candidate is extremely reckless

If you numbers are effected by missing players, how can you judge Rambis on those numbers?

I really do feel that continuity is THE most important ingredient for next year and maybe the year after. Switching up the offense and defense year after year is awful. KP's growth, Jerian's growth, Rolo's growth, LT growth and even Melo's growth are THE most important things for this year and next year; second to the would be Gallo, Wroten, DWill, WillyG if they are on the team.

I think Phil seriously considered what type of coach he wanted to work with, what type of coach would implement his system, what coach is best for continuity. Why would he bother with Thibs, JVG in those instances? Blatt for sure. Walton for sure.

Given the current circumstances Blatt would be my pick, but that's a compromise pick.

I just want sanity. I want lack of ego. Isn't zen supposed to be about giving up your ego? I don't know if Phil is there yet.

If I had my druthers, I'd install JVG as Coach and President of the Knicks. I have said this for the past ten years at least. Dolan will never do it, so we're cursed by a parade of blowhards who talk a good game. Walsh was a nice reprieve, but Dolan took care of that quickly.

Continuity would be nice, but I just take serious issue with the basic premise that the Triangle is the right way to go here. I think it will not work. I would love to be wrong. If I am wrong, I promise you I will admit it.

JVG as coach and president? The guy who didn't want to play Camby or Spree? The guy that was set in his ways as a coach? What has JVG done to earn that respect? Or did you mean Riley?

JVG over jax in a milisecond. SVG too if we had the chance.