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franco12
Posts: 34069 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
4/14/2016 7:36 AM
I watched much of the game- and the start of Golden State - and the funny thing is - GS won their game pretty much in the 1st quarter - and Kobe won his at the end.
Incredible performance. Lots of bad shots - but many classic Kobe moves, and Utah wasn't letting him just get points - they were trying to stop him - doubles, tough man defense. Great game by a legend. |
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
4/14/2016 8:37 AM
franco12 wrote:I watched much of the game- and the start of Golden State - and the funny thing is - GS won their game pretty much in the 1st quarter - and Kobe won his at the end. reminded me of the 81 point game, when Toronto just stop defending him after he was up to 60 ES
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franco12
Posts: 34069 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
4/14/2016 8:54 AM
knicks1248 wrote:franco12 wrote:I watched much of the game- and the start of Golden State - and the funny thing is - GS won their game pretty much in the 1st quarter - and Kobe won his at the end. I never saw that game. But, with Kobe, its the same as with MJ - the will to win. I think Lebron lacks that, or maybe its not as strong. But he stayed in the complete 2nd half, and you could tell he was dragging, but when he got the ball and attacked, he willed himself to score. |
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
4/14/2016 10:18 AM
I got to watch the second half last night. Incredible performance by Kobe and the GSW, too. It was fun to switch back and forth between two historic games.
I never loved Kobe - but you have to admire his sheer will to be great. Ultimate final Kobe game - 60pts on 50 SHOTS! Damn, Mamba. ¿ △ ?
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Knixkik
Posts: 35759 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
4/14/2016 10:24 AM
Kobe is one of the most overrated players of all time (although still an all-time great) but what an awesome thing to see last night. Will go down as the greatest career-ending moment in the history of sports i would have to think.
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callmened
Posts: 24448 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/26/2012 Member: #4234 |
4/14/2016 11:16 AM
Knixkik wrote:Kobe is one of the most overrated players of all time (although still an all-time great) but what an awesome thing to see last night. Will go down as the greatest career-ending moment in the history of sports i would have to think. well said. i concur 100% Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
4/14/2016 11:17 AM
fifty shots, 44%FG including 6-21 from 3, in his final meaningless game basically sums up his career to me.
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
4/14/2016 11:21 AM
You got to hand it to the Lakers they know how to treat their all time players. They retire them something the Knicks should have done for Patrick Ewing.
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
4/14/2016 11:25 AM
perfectly disgusting way for for class-not to go out.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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SwishAndDish13
Posts: 20878 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 12/2/2013 Member: #5700 |
4/14/2016 11:32 AM
mreinman wrote:perfectly disgusting way for for class-not to go out. Sports has become too much about class. Drive, will to win, and competitive nature are basically dead in sports. Disappointing these traits are no longer valued in competitive sports, which is really strange. What we need to do is continue to applaud players resting for no reason or taking the court and not even trying, who basically piss on the people who got the sport to where it is today. That's great stuff. Really respectful and classy. |
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
4/14/2016 11:34 AM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:mreinman wrote:perfectly disgusting way for for class-not to go out. not sure what you are saying here and how it compares to Kobe. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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Moonangie
Posts: 24767 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 7/9/2009 Member: #2788 |
4/14/2016 11:55 AM
franco12 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:franco12 wrote:I watched much of the game- and the start of Golden State - and the funny thing is - GS won their game pretty much in the 1st quarter - and Kobe won his at the end. Agree on both points: Kobe is the second greatest player of all-time, and had the MJ "X" factor (read: willpower to win, no matter what). Also agree that LBJ lacks that "X" factor, or it's not nearly as inveterate to him. His dominance is physical, not based on an inner thing. For me, he barely cracks the top 5 of all time. MJ, then Kobe, then Magic. Hard to say after that. |
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fitzfarm
Posts: 25286 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2010 Member: #3285 |
4/14/2016 11:57 AM
mreinman wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:mreinman wrote:perfectly disgusting way for for class-not to go out. dk7th wrote:fifty shots, 44%FG including 6-21 from 3, in his final meaningless game basically sums up his career to me. Lol I mean we can hate on Kobe, but I think what struck the cord for me was watching Kobe turn back the clock in the last few minutes of the game. give me one player who can close a game better then Kobe how many games has Kobe won in the final moments . It was a iceing on the cake moment to his legendary career. The NBA is going to miss the one of a kind Kobe. Other then MJ, no one worked as hard as Kobe guy was in a league of his own for quite awhile. His moves still are so Jordanesque. Kobe retires kinda ends a era of Jordanesque players. The game has changed so much since he came in in 96... Now more then ever we just watched a kid hit 400 threes in a season . I'd like to see Steph do that in 96 when players could hand check you and play real defense. Letting a player hit 400 threes just shows that defense is dead in the nba. Speaking of defense Kobe was also a top notch defender . As we bid fare well to 20 years of a masterful career ending on yet another storybook end in sports just like jeter. guys of my generation realize just how old we are getting as another legend of our time takes a final seat in history. The basketball gods are going to miss Kobe, there probably won't be another one like him in this technology age. Kobe much like jeter,mj,Payton a classic case of I'm going to work harder then anyone and pour my heart and soul into this game and be the greatest of all time. Farewell to a living legend enjoy retirement you earned it. And as a knick fan thank god it's about time ! Now join up with Phil and show KP what work ethic is haha |
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
4/14/2016 1:01 PM
Imagine being so jaded you couldn't enjoy Kobe's final game where he dropped 60pts at age 37.
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fitzfarm
Posts: 25286 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2010 Member: #3285 |
4/14/2016 1:07 PM
crzymdups wrote:Imagine being so jaded you couldn't enjoy Kobe's final game where he dropped 60pts at age 37. I know it was epic. And quite a farewell |
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MaTT4281
Posts: 35185 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #538 USA |
4/14/2016 1:33 PM
Disappointed I missed it. Started the night flipping between the LA and GS games - saw the pre-game ceremony for Kobe and him missing his first 5 shots. Switched over to Curry drilling 5 or 6 3's in the first quarter and finished out the GS game into half time. Then passed out for the night.
Gotta repeat a lot of the sentiment in this thread. Never been a huge Kobe fan, but absolutely an awesome moment for basketball and for one of the greatest. Yes, 50 shots on only the team's 17th win of the season, that part will be lost over time. What will stick is probably the greatest salute to a career across sports. Special moment that he got to do it at home. As far as I'm concerned, Jeter's career ended with the walk-off win in NY, not at Fenway. |
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30259 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
4/14/2016 2:13 PM
Which one is better? Kobe 15pts in the 4th to win when the team was down 10 for his final game. Or Jeter's walk off single for his final at bat?
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
4/14/2016 2:32 PM
fitzfarm wrote:mreinman wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:mreinman wrote:perfectly disgusting way for for class-not to go out. I pretty much disagree with everything you wrote. To each their own. Kobe was nothing like Jordan aside from him copying some of his moves. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
4/14/2016 4:13 PM
fitzfarm wrote:mreinman wrote:SwishAndDish13 wrote:mreinman wrote:perfectly disgusting way for for class-not to go out. well the league not only banned hand-checking but they also loosened the rules around palming and traveling. at least curry doesn't travel or palm from what i've seen. with jordan and bryant and iverson and wade and rose and macgrady and carter and marbury and nate robinson and jamal crawford and etc. etc. their games depended entirely on being allowed to palm the ball and often travel. so for all the footwork bryant excelled at-- which he did-- he also got to where he was going via the palming that he was never called for. not only that but that sense of invincibility also had the deleterious effect of narrowing court vision and playmaking passes. and that goes for all of the players i have mentioned. being allowed to palm the ball promotes me-ball like no other change to the game since magic johnson and michael jordan were the poster boys of the stern-era nba. i always thought the 72-win bulls team was great, but since that era the 3-ball usage and accuracy has increased to the point where even lengthy defenders like jordan/pippin/harper would have a difficult time with thr warriors range and ball movement. the bulls would have to press from 3/4 court most of the game which would prove exhausting over a series. as far as bryant being the last in a line of jordan-esque players... i hope you're right. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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