Paris907 wrote:I think the majority of fans agree with you but leaving NY is Melos call and only Melos call Cept for LaLa. It's either that we execute a plan for years to come if he leaves or if Calderon gets stretched and Afflalo packs up we are still striving for 8th place. Even with Batum or Conley and there's no guarantee of either.

Hes going to get hurt or will just be mediocre--no other outcome

Briggs, you said a few weeks ago that if you put Isaiah Thomas on this team from the Celtics, we'd have the Celtics record.

What changed that?

I think being a winning team that makes the playoffs would be good for KP's development - KP has said playing with Melo has taught him a lot already.

Etc.

But, yes, I'm happy with how Grant played tonight too. I can't believe Rambis didn't play him in the 4th quarter. I don't like Rambis.

BRIGGS wrote:Very happy with Jerian Grant's play--and it was the only thing that was entertaining to me personally.

Secondly I dont see how any fans can look at this team and believe by adding a second rate SG and a declining PG that we have the foundation to compete for anything other than a 7 or 8 seed.

Go explore what we can get for Carmelo and even Lopez. Build the team round KP. We could rebuild this team for the next 10-12 years in the next 18 months.

In a game like this where Robin Lopez should dominate hes 3-6 and we lose by 15. Thats what he is sometimes he plays well--some times he underwhelms--and hes CONSISTENT with it his whole career. Hes a good player that does not play to the level of his own abilities nor does he try to expand those abilities.

Id want a LOT for both players and I favor keeping Lopez over Carmelo. I can go forward with Lopez but the team has to negotiate and move on from carmelo--its a no win road. If you cant see it in these games--really you must be blind. We are TRYING to win and were not. We shot great only to stay within 15.

In theory it sounds great to just trade Melo and RoLo for some young players and picks. The reality tho is that you have no way of knowing what that will turn into. It doesn't always work out well for teams that do with a total youth movement. Sure it could work out but more often than not it doesn't. I'm not saying your idea is wrong just that it's not necessarily going to result in the better future that you assume will happen.

Phil for all we know could go after younger and cheaper options. He could also make a play for Restricted Free Agents like Fournier or Beal. He could go hard after DeRozan. We really don't know for sure which direction he'll go.

mreinman wrote:Rolo sucks. I did not know that.

another daily thread to tell us to trade melo and rolo?

oh, there's more than two or three each day now. Ask ChuckBuck, he keeps track.

BRIGGS wrote:Very happy with Jerian Grant's play--and it was the only thing that was entertaining to me personally.

Secondly I dont see how any fans can look at this team and believe by adding a second rate SG and a declining PG that we have the foundation to compete for anything other than a 7 or 8 seed.

Go explore what we can get for Carmelo and even Lopez. Build the team round KP. We could rebuild this team for the next 10-12 years in the next 18 months.

In a game like this where Robin Lopez should dominate hes 3-6 and we lose by 15. Thats what he is sometimes he plays well--some times he underwhelms--and hes CONSISTENT with it his whole career. Hes a good player that does not play to the level of his own abilities nor does he try to expand those abilities.

Id want a LOT for both players and I favor keeping Lopez over Carmelo. I can go forward with Lopez but the team has to negotiate and move on from carmelo--its a no win road. If you cant see it in these games--really you must be blind. We are TRYING to win and were not. We shot great only to stay within 15.

Briggs I completely agree with you. Carmelo just does not fit here anymore and it time the Knicks moved on. It is true that the Knicks without Carmelo may very well be the worse team in the NBA. However this is good. For the first time in a very long time once they get past 2016 the Knicks have all their first round draft picks. Therefore, all the losing will come with the benefit of getting very high draft picks the better to rebuild with

In addition the Knicks should look to trade the other veterans on the team and make this a true rebuild building around KP. This means RoLo should be traded also. With trades of Carmelo and RoLo the Knicks may even get first round/lottery picks for this 2016 draft which is even better

The problem with trading Carmelo of course is the NTC. There is a simple way to get Carmelo to waive it. It is clear that Carmelo is becoming frustrated with not having star players to help. He seems to be hinting that if nothing is done in free agency to bring the help he needs he may very well start thinking of leaving. Good. Phil should take advantage of his frustration and not lift a finger during free agency thereby enticing upping his frustration and enticing to waive the NTC.

how can we claim to have the worse cast around KP and Melo, to go with a coach who has the 5th worse record in NBA history, and blame trading melo will solve anything other than setting the franchise back 10 yrs.

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Hi

Melo has a no trade clause

Bye

+1
This

jrod--when you watch this team UP CLOSE do you really see a big winner here?? Whats the plan here--pay Mike Conley 22mm to see his Achilles pop after averaging 40% and an 18-23 record. Isnt this shampoo rinse repeat for 15 years? We were TRYING to win last night--I mean we STUPIDLY played Carmelo 40 minutes AFTER the guy potentially fcked up his leg again(wow how stupid would that have been right?) Carmelo is on a short time clock hes a walking time bomb and while hes a good player our benefit of winning came with him 4 years ago now--hes not the same and will only get worse.

The smart thing to do is say heyt--I can see that Golden State and San Antonio have a model that surround their bigger players with numerous diverse guards--some are better at defense some are 3 point shooters some can drive. This way their bigs have more room. We need a player who can make Robin Lopez better--Robin needs to take the offseason and shoot mid range shots and develop passing from the post--hes better than he is--he settles for inconsistency and at worst we need players who create ball movement and spacing. We dont even have a concept of playing the game--you see anything like great ball movement in two years--doesnt matter the skill of the players where is the passing and ball movement? Carmelo--we need to trade him in for assets while we can--thats it nothing else is going to work ZERO ZILCH NADA

You tend to only put things in the WORST case scenario when making your points. It doesn't have to end up anything like what you suggest in your 1st paragraph. Also Melo doesn't have to be a "walking time bomb" he could actually age gracefully like Dirk, KG, Duncan or Pierce. His style of play actually lends itself to a gradual decline. In the meantime the team needs to be improved and young talent developed so that he doesn't have to carry a heavy load. That's clearly the direction the team is heading.

Golden State and San Antonio are completely different. In fact San Antonio plays MUCH more like the Knicks. They just have better talent, but the style is very much the same. They even run many of the same sets as the Knicks, but when you have Duncan and Parker in a Pinch Post it's gonna be a lot more effective don't you think?

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Hi

Melo has a no trade clause

Bye

+1
This

jrod--when you watch this team UP CLOSE do you really see a big winner here?? Whats the plan here--pay Mike Conley 22mm to see his Achilles pop after averaging 40% and an 18-23 record. Isnt this shampoo rinse repeat for 15 years? We were TRYING to win last night--I mean we STUPIDLY played Carmelo 40 minutes AFTER the guy potentially fcked up his leg again(wow how stupid would that have been right?) Carmelo is on a short time clock hes a walking time bomb and while hes a good player our benefit of winning came with him 4 years ago now--hes not the same and will only get worse.

The smart thing to do is say heyt--I can see that Golden State and San Antonio have a model that surround their bigger players with numerous diverse guards--some are better at defense some are 3 point shooters some can drive. This way their bigs have more room. We need a player who can make Robin Lopez better--Robin needs to take the offseason and shoot mid range shots and develop passing from the post--hes better than he is--he settles for inconsistency and at worst we need players who create ball movement and spacing. We dont even have a concept of playing the game--you see anything like great ball movement in two years--doesnt matter the skill of the players where is the passing and ball movement? Carmelo--we need to trade him in for assets while we can--thats it nothing else is going to work ZERO ZILCH NADA

You tend to only put things in the WORST case scenario when making your points. It doesn't have to end up anything like what you suggest in your 1st paragraph. Also Melo doesn't have to be a "walking time bomb" he could actually age gracefully like Dirk, KG, Duncan or Pierce. His style of play actually lends itself to a gradual decline. In the meantime the team needs to be improved and young talent developed so that he doesn't have to carry a heavy load. That's clearly the direction the team is heading.

Golden State and San Antonio are completely different. In fact San Antonio plays MUCH more like the Knicks. They just have better talent, but the style is very much the same. They even run many of the same sets as the Knicks, but when you have Duncan and Parker in a Pinch Post it's gonna be a lot more effective don't you think?

nixluva--you dont need to show me diagrams-we could have 5 d league players out there running it right like the Hoosiers--do you see good ball movement the last two years--no you dont. So showing me diagrams of what the triangle might be able to do is worthless. Its produced nothing. We have players but the ball movement is not there--this has been a failed experiment. its suddenly going to change right?

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO COME DOWN TO TRADING MELO.. If you put Durant in melo's place, your going to get the same results, you can replace melo with LBJ and you will get the same results.

how can we claim to have the worse cast around KP and Melo, to go with a coach who has the 5th worse record in NBA history, and blame trading melo will solve anything other than setting the franchise back 10 yrs.

When you say we can replace Melo with LBJ and get the same result I have to say you are just flat wrong--not even close. You know that. Why trade Melo now? Because youre at the end of the line where you can bring back a reasonable haul for him that will help the future. I want to trade him for guys 10 years younger that can be part of a team that builds with KP .. This team has NO chance zero is not happening with melo--so once you conceded that--you say let me sell here and get value while the value is reasonable or hold it and go down with the ship. Staying with Carmelo Anthony is a losing proposition. If he was 27 I wouldnt post this but hes not

In order to trade melo

1) get him to waive NTC
2) find a contender to trade him to
3) a contender that has young assets and cap space
4) a contender that is almost certain to have a low 27th pick
5) you think is going to agree to be traded to another lottery team
6) you almost certainly will have to accept a horrible contract coming back in any trade

The Knicks will take a massive step back, similar to the Ewing trade

Your willing to sacrife 10 years to get rid of a contract that expires in 3 yrs

Your willing to be a very bad team for 4 to 5 yes then watch Kp sign with contender as soon as he becomes a FA