Joe Johnson and Jake Voshkul?

forget all this jamal crawford stuff --thats a dead end Pheonix still needs quality bigs and KT would fit nicely. now that they have Q-rich joe johnson makes a LOT of sense for us,

Thats a nice deal, however, by trading Kurt you basically say goodbye to any chance of getting guys like Dampier or Antoine Walker. I would try those deals first and if none of them worked out then I would attempt the Johnson deal.

Why would Pheonix spend $36 mil on Kurt to play at the age of 32 to 36 when they have Amare? They can get a better PF next summer for the MLE.

And the Crawford deal isn't dead until February when the trade deadline passes.

Posted by rain:

they are in love with Johnson, they won't trade him.

I agree; they're more likely to trade Marion than Joe Johnson

Posted by BRIGGS:

KT is only making 4 years 26mm about the same as an MLE which is a bargain right now. KT can easily play C with Amare at PF especially since shaq isnt not in the west. you slide Marion to his natural position at PF and Q goes to SG with Nash at PG. Good big players are hard to come by and trading max players with a long run on their contract is even harder. I believe they bought Q because they are afraid of paying Joe johnson next year, because he could get a maximum offer. for the knicks thats easy to absorb and teams know that and would stay away from pursuing him.

Shaq was an extraordinary trade, but it would be HARD to deal a SF for a real good big man. Having KT and Lampe at C is pretty solid.

KT has four years, $28 mil left on his contract, which after his 20% trade kicker, BRIGGS, comes to $34 mil (I was off slightly when I said $36 mil). Given that Kurt is an 11/8 player at age 32, how unappealing does paying him $10 mil when he's 36 sound? (That's what his salary comes too after the trade kicker.)

i never heard of a 20% trade kicker, [10-15% is the norm]+ they can be waived. On top of that-it would only apply to the 3 year extension of 21mm-- and lets take your 20% number anyway---20% of 21mm is 4.2mm the knicks pay off 3mm of that--the extra figure to the Suns is 1.2mm[spread over 3 years that does not apply to the cap 400,000G a year] and that is at a maximum. if it is a 10-15% kicker the 3mm basically covers it.

the kicker is a neglible factor.

Deke will most likely be traded, the same can be said for Othella (his agent wants him out of NY bad). If we get Antoine, Kurt will most likely be traded in a deal for him. So that would leave us with Sweets and Antoine playing the PF position. Baker would back Mohammed up at the 5. That would be a decent frontcourt where no one would complain about playing time. I would rather get Dampier than Antoine but any frontcourt help would be good for this team. Isiah is doing the right thing, he's trying to get both a scoring guard (Crawford) and a big guy that would help make our frontcourt much better (Dampier). I'll agree that Penny is still a little shaky however, he has even said that he feels a lot better and he proved that by playing throught the whole season last year. As for Frankie, he is not a 2, but him and Stephon have shown that they can form a decent backcourt together. Stephon can play the 2 a la Iverson when Frank and him are in the same backcourt. I really think we could use a nice 2 like Johnson or Crawford, but I think the frontcourt is where we need the most help.

No way Phoenix trades Johnson, it's Marion they want out.

And I'll take Marion any day of the week over TT. He's a unique player who would really help this team. Considering they need to re-sign Amare, Joe Johnson, and Casey Jacobsen (in that order) next offseason, they might do a deal with either TT or KT and expiring contracts, since they'd save money.

Marion and Voskuhl for KT, Mutumbo, and Harrington? They'll save a lot of money next year, and I doubt they want their highest paid player to be the 6th man. I think that's a legitimate opportunity, especially with Thomas' game complementing Amare and Q. Q is one of the best posting guards in the game, and Amare's such a beast on the blocks, that a C with Kurt's game (good outside shooter, can stretch defenses, can guard bigger players) might be attractive to them.

If I do that I'm not even interested in Crawford, forget him. Make Penny the backup 2, TT becomes 6th man, and Frank Williams gets a lot more minutes.

The Suns save more than $6 million next year, which they can use to re-sign their players. With their core now (Nash and Barbosa at PG, Johnson and Q on the wings, Amare downlow) do they really need Marion signed for the contract he's at? I think KT should be one of the more attractive big men on the trading block at this time, and his skillset really fits in well with the Suns.

I'm content with having a frontcourt of Sweetney, Baker, Mohammed, and Voskuhl.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 07/29/2004 21:52:35]

id be willing to do TT for SM but i dont think Pheonix would do it. trading KT and contracts for Marion is fiscal and personnell insanity because we already haev a young max player and older max player signed for 2 years at SF.

Id be willing to take back eisley with a
KT 5.8
moochie 3.8

for JJ 2.3 and Eisley 6.3 + fork over 3mm for the kicker. Eisley is better than Norris anyway.

"Eisley is better than Norris anyway."




Please tell me your joking

Posted by s3231:

"Eisley is better than Norris anyway."




Please tell me your joking

i actually agree...Eisley's better than Moochie...he just has a worse contract.