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4/3/2016  2:21 PM
Free agents would want to play with KP more than they'd want to play with the Lakers young core?? I'm not so sure about that and i think the Lakers are in a much better position than we are for free agency even with the D.Russell debacle. They have $60 million to spend and some really nice young talent on that team with J.Clarkson who's a RFA but they're not gonna let him go anywhere, D.Russell, J.Randle, L.Nance and more.


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newyorker4ever wrote:Free agents would want to play with KP more than they'd want to play with the Lakers young core?? I'm not so sure about that and i think the Lakers are in a much better position than we are for free agency even with the D.Russell debacle. They have $60 million to spend and some really nice young talent on that team with J.Clarkson who's a RFA but they're not gonna let him go anywhere, D.Russell, J.Randle, L.Nance and more.


http://en.yibada.com/articles/113500/20160403/knicks-rumors-kristaps-porzingis-far-more-intriguing-free-agents-lakers.htm

it depends on what the Lakers will do with their next coach. Without Kobe and Byron they are much more intriguing.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/3/2016  2:46 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:Free agents would want to play with KP more than they'd want to play with the Lakers young core?? I'm not so sure about that and i think the Lakers are in a much better position than we are for free agency even with the D.Russell debacle. They have $60 million to spend and some really nice young talent on that team with J.Clarkson who's a RFA but they're not gonna let him go anywhere, D.Russell, J.Randle, L.Nance and more.


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with so much crap written on the internet, ive developed the habit of researching each WRITER from an article i read. this article is full of quotes taken from other sources and it is written by a college filipino kid living in australia. now, i wont entirely dismiss the article but ill take it with a grain of salt. this is simply an opinion based on ...ummmm i dont know

to me free agents want (in different order - depending on the player):
- money to spend/duration of contract
- to WIN!
- supporting cast
- coaching
- culture/fans
- weather/things to do

Sure KP could attract lots of free agents but do the knicks have the money to spend compared to other teams? can they win? will melo be here? who will be the coach? dolan? with the Lakers, Kobe (and most likely Byron) are leaving, they have some good young players, winning tradition and most importantly is Los Freakin Angeles. lol. if youve been there you know how much they love their lakers, the great weather and even better girls!

i think THOSE are the major factors.

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/3/2016  3:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2016  3:35 PM
You also have to consider who the Lakers might get if they keep their lottery pick.


The young Lakers presently on the team have not exactly shown an ability to play together.


Randle and Nance seem to cancel each other out-Can you have them playing together on a regular basis?...Russell's problems are now well documented, and Clarkson is a nice combo guard to does not seem to do one thing exceptionally...and how much will you have to pay him.

Lakers, for the most part, were a smaller team, yet you did not see the kind of passing or teamwork you might expect from a team starting 3 guards and featuring bench players like Williams and Young (each with 3 more years on their contracts, I think!). Might well be Scott's problem...but Russell and Clarkson did not exactly gel together, did they?


If you are a FA guard, why would you want to come to the Lakers with Russell and Clarkson as you two main guards?

Russell and Clarkson have not exactly burned it up as passers...do you think a good big man during these days...a pick & roll player- is going to want to go to LA?

Just seems to be a lot of stuff going on in Lakerland...and even with Kobe leaving, you have to wonder how some of the young players they have are going to work together.

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4/3/2016  3:53 PM
Some of that cap space going to clarkson.
Lottery pick is a big plus, and Randell still has big upside.

Kp is more intriguing than anyone they, as would Melo. Lakes I doubt go big on cap spending unless they do a trade and go "Win now" and trade their pick for Melo.
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4/3/2016  4:53 PM
We're rebuilding differently.

The Lakers need to just keep building through the draft. They almost have a starting line up worth of young players. They should have drafted okafor. They would have been better off.right now I think free agents should just stay away.

The Knicks are closer to winning. We have a set foundation of play. The Knicks set the standard for the type of player they want. It's obvious we need guards. We have Melo, KP and Rolo....that's a point guards dream. So if players open their eyes, they would see that.

Players today are driven by different things. In my opinion nobody really cares about winning a championship. Well see how that goes for us this off season

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4/3/2016  7:03 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:You also have to consider who the Lakers might get if they keep their lottery pick.


The young Lakers presently on the team have not exactly shown an ability to play together.


Randle and Nance seem to cancel each other out-Can you have them playing together on a regular basis?...Russell's problems are now well documented, and Clarkson is a nice combo guard to does not seem to do one thing exceptionally...and how much will you have to pay him.

Lakers, for the most part, were a smaller team, yet you did not see the kind of passing or teamwork you might expect from a team starting 3 guards and featuring bench players like Williams and Young (each with 3 more years on their contracts, I think!). Might well be Scott's problem...but Russell and Clarkson did not exactly gel together, did they?


If you are a FA guard, why would you want to come to the Lakers with Russell and Clarkson as you two main guards?

Russell and Clarkson have not exactly burned it up as passers...do you think a good big man during these days...a pick & roll player- is going to want to go to LA?

Just seems to be a lot of stuff going on in Lakerland...and even with Kobe leaving, you have to wonder how some of the young players they have are going to work together.

kobe and scott

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/3/2016  7:28 PM
mreinman wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:You also have to consider who the Lakers might get if they keep their lottery pick.


The young Lakers presently on the team have not exactly shown an ability to play together.


Randle and Nance seem to cancel each other out-Can you have them playing together on a regular basis?...Russell's problems are now well documented, and Clarkson is a nice combo guard to does not seem to do one thing exceptionally...and how much will you have to pay him.

Lakers, for the most part, were a smaller team, yet you did not see the kind of passing or teamwork you might expect from a team starting 3 guards and featuring bench players like Williams and Young (each with 3 more years on their contracts, I think!). Might well be Scott's problem...but Russell and Clarkson did not exactly gel together, did they?


If you are a FA guard, why would you want to come to the Lakers with Russell and Clarkson as you two main guards?

Russell and Clarkson have not exactly burned it up as passers...do you think a good big man during these days...a pick & roll player- is going to want to go to LA?

Just seems to be a lot of stuff going on in Lakerland...and even with Kobe leaving, you have to wonder how some of the young players they have are going to work together.

kobe and scott

I read/heard something about Scott possibly being brought back for another season. There was a reason behind why but I don't remember. He should be gone but I think there is a possibility that he will be back.
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mreinman wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:You also have to consider who the Lakers might get if they keep their lottery pick.


The young Lakers presently on the team have not exactly shown an ability to play together.


Randle and Nance seem to cancel each other out-Can you have them playing together on a regular basis?...Russell's problems are now well documented, and Clarkson is a nice combo guard to does not seem to do one thing exceptionally...and how much will you have to pay him.

Lakers, for the most part, were a smaller team, yet you did not see the kind of passing or teamwork you might expect from a team starting 3 guards and featuring bench players like Williams and Young (each with 3 more years on their contracts, I think!). Might well be Scott's problem...but Russell and Clarkson did not exactly gel together, did they?


If you are a FA guard, why would you want to come to the Lakers with Russell and Clarkson as you two main guards?

Russell and Clarkson have not exactly burned it up as passers...do you think a good big man during these days...a pick & roll player- is going to want to go to LA?

Just seems to be a lot of stuff going on in Lakerland...and even with Kobe leaving, you have to wonder how some of the young players they have are going to work together.

kobe and scott

I read/heard something about Scott possibly being brought back for another season. There was a reason behind why but I don't remember. He should be gone but I think there is a possibility that he will be back.

No chance! Zero! If you can find the link I would love to see the reasoning.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/3/2016  7:53 PM
no i heard too that they might CONSIDER bringing back scott but most likely hes GONE! and most likely walton could coach there
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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callmened wrote:no i heard too that they might CONSIDER bringing back scott but most likely hes GONE! and most likely walton could coach there

so lets pray that the lakers are the dumbest franchise in history and bring back the dunce so we get a shot at walton.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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mreinman wrote:
callmened wrote:no i heard too that they might CONSIDER bringing back scott but most likely hes GONE! and most likely walton could coach there

so lets pray that the lakers are the dumbest franchise in history and bring back the dunce so we get a shot at walton.

lolololol

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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4/4/2016  9:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/4/2016  9:58 AM
I don't think the Knicks will sign anyone of "prize" free agent level, but what makes them more marketable is a couple of things. They have Melo, Lopez and Porzingis, all of whom have shown that they can lead you to wins. They are all proven players at this point, one an all-star in Melo, one a quality Center and the other already a 14 points-8 rebounds-2 blocks forward who can improve by a lot. The free agent if he's a guard, much rather play with that talent than what I see on the Lakers roster. The other thing is consistency in what they are trying to do. We've been trying to run a certain style of offense and defense, and the player would know right away where he would fit (or not fit) in that system. The Lakers are likely making a coaching and system change.

However, that doesn't mean a top 4 free agent from this class (Durant, DeRozan, Conley, Batum) will sign with the Lakers or Knicks. Neither team looks like they'll be win a championship anytime soon. Durant or DeRozan would leave their current destinations, only in that scenario in my opinion. If they can go to a new team and be one of the front runners to win a ring. Wouldn't happen in LA or NY. Which leaves Conley. Conley won't be pursued by the Lakers from what I can tell unless they have completely lost faith in Russell after just 1 year. We would definitely need a Conley much more and could be in contention to get him. Batum could show interest in the Lakers if they pay him the maximum. I'm not sure about paying Conley or Batum maximum money. You're talking paying players who have never been on a top 3 player on a championship contender or an all-star 20+ million a year, over 4 years. Way too rich for my taste. After Durant, DeRozan, Conley and Batum, free agency this year drops maginificently. The rest who are "prizes" would be restricted free agents and their teams will match any offers. Then you're left with paying role players 10, 12, 14 $M a year. I hope Phil goes for one of DeRozan/Conley/Batum and if not then does what he did this past summer and keep the option of going into 2017 free agency with a max money to spend on free agent guards.
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4/4/2016  9:51 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:Free agents would want to play with KP more than they'd want to play with the Lakers young core?? I'm not so sure about that and i think the Lakers are in a much better position than we are for free agency even with the D.Russell debacle. They have $60 million to spend and some really nice young talent on that team with J.Clarkson who's a RFA but they're not gonna let him go anywhere, D.Russell, J.Randle, L.Nance and more.


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He's much more attractive than the Lakers crew combined. He has shown the ability to fit in with any type of player, make an impact beyond the box score, and has a maturity about him that most rookie don't have. He wants to win and puts team first. Lakers have a few players who can be really good, but having one great player, especially one that is easy to play with, is much better than having a few good players. Russell should still become very good, but his most recent issues will be difficult to recover from as far as his reputation is concerned, and it may have a domino effect on his career production.
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4/4/2016  11:49 AM
After KAT, I can't think of any other player more desirable to play with than KP! Everyone knows about KP and his personality. They see the potential and along with MSG, which is always full, MELO and RoLo it's a pretty strong looking situation IMO. Phil MUST fix the coaching spot tho! If you put a solid coach in there I think that would seal the deal for a lot of FA's.
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nixluva wrote:After KAT, I can't think of any other player more desirable to play with than KP! Everyone knows about KP and his personality. They see the potential and along with MSG, which is always full, MELO and RoLo it's a pretty strong looking situation IMO. Phil MUST fix the coaching spot tho! If you put a solid coach in there I think that would seal the deal for a lot of FA's.

I thought you were pro-Rambis?

I don't think it's gonna be anyone else, honestly.

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4/4/2016  12:12 PM
EnySpree wrote:We're rebuilding differently.

The Lakers need to just keep building through the draft. They almost have a starting line up worth of young players. They should have drafted okafor. They would have been better off.right now I think free agents should just stay away.

The Knicks are closer to winning. We have a set foundation of play. The Knicks set the standard for the type of player they want. It's obvious we need guards. We have Melo, KP and Rolo....that's a point guards dream. So if players open their eyes, they would see that.

Players today are driven by different things. In my opinion nobody really cares about winning a championship. Well see how that goes for us this off season

The Lakers currently have a black cloud over their heads. Our cloud is starting to breakup.....there's is starting to form. Depending on what happens in the offseason is key to their immediate success.

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4/4/2016  12:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/4/2016  12:39 PM
blkexec wrote:
EnySpree wrote:We're rebuilding differently.

The Lakers need to just keep building through the draft. They almost have a starting line up worth of young players. They should have drafted okafor. They would have been better off.right now I think free agents should just stay away.

The Knicks are closer to winning. We have a set foundation of play. The Knicks set the standard for the type of player they want. It's obvious we need guards. We have Melo, KP and Rolo....that's a point guards dream. So if players open their eyes, they would see that.

Players today are driven by different things. In my opinion nobody really cares about winning a championship. Well see how that goes for us this off season

The Lakers currently have a black cloud over their heads. Our cloud is starting to breakup.....there's is starting to form. Depending on what happens in the offseason is key to their immediate success.

Not getting their lottery pick- which would have to be in the 1-3 range, will be a killer for them, and make that black cloud a bit more dense, even though the 2016 draft does not seem to be a great one at this point.

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4/4/2016  1:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/4/2016  1:17 PM
If we can get a legit guard this off season whether that be a PG or SG it will make it so much easier to bring a top level free agent in the following off season. I think what's gonna be hard is selling a bigger name player on the fact that we won't be ready to make a legit run at a deep playoff run in his first season with us because the team just won't be ready and KP will need at least next season to still grow but 2018 definitely could be a great year with one more significant signing which will be much easier to do if we can get a bigger name this off season. Does that make sense??
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4/4/2016  5:55 PM
All Porzingis gave us was a few highlights, and no WINS!
Many may not like the true facts .. 7.3 foot Porzingis has been clueless on how to perform in the POST.
Boohoo KP could hit 3s in the first quarter, but never when we need it in the 4th quarter.

I am not happy with KP nor am i thrilled about any of KP highlights this season.
When the midseason arrive our weak water-down small-ball NBA teams got a little rough making the next team fight harder for the win, and we Knicks fans started talking about maybe KP hit the wall, KP didnt hit the wall the NBA got to rough for him. KP turned into the BUST pick i booed at on draft night! KP Stayed far from the paint going several games without a blockshot collecting 4 or 5 rebounds in 30 minute.
KP season performance showed he has nothing to offer as a POST big-man on offense or defense to be a 7 foot player.
KP showed sorry decision-making plus his b.ball IQ are low, showing us repeatedly that he dont have the talent to be a Starter on any NBA team. Plus KP 4th quarter performance has been the pits all season.
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