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3/7/2016  4:49 PM
It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

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3/7/2016  5:04 PM
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

Rebuilding is not a guarantee. It can take 10 years or more. It takes luck to successfully rebuild in 3 years or less. Orlando, Denver, Utah are 3 great examples, teams that traded their stars 5 years ago. Even if they have the young players to suggest they will be good in the near future, no guarantee they will actually put it together and it will translate into a winning team. Minnesota finally has very promising pieces, and a franchise star in Towns, but we will see how they build it. They were unsuccessful with Love. We are lucky to have Porzingis. It is a great start, the most challenging piece to get is the cornerstone. And Melo has been open to being the #2 guy and buying into the team thing, but unfortunately he will always be hated to an extent. He is treated as a 40 year old who doesn't fit the youth movement and only resigned for the money. Apparently it had nothing to do with he and his family wanting to be in NY, it was just about the money. It's too bad how he is treated, you are right. He is doing all the right things this season.
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3/7/2016  5:06 PM
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.


This is exactly what Melo needs to do, just like Wade and Lebron do. I understand he doesn't have that outgoing personality like Lebron does but he needs to pick up the phone and talk to these free agents and sell them on coming to play with him. I've been saying this for a while.
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crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.


This is exactly what Melo needs to do, just like Wade and Lebron do. I understand he doesn't have that outgoing personality like Lebron does but he needs to pick up the phone and talk to these free agents and sell them on coming to play with him. I've been saying this for a while.

This is in his own interest to talk... and both ways... to recruit or get recruited.
The ball is fully in his court.

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3/7/2016  5:32 PM
If Melo stays I'm hopeful that Phil can give him more help. It's not only about the big names but it would help to add another quality talent to the team. I hope he's getting better at recruiting players. It can't hurt tho I don't expect it to make the big difference in whether someone comes or not. There's so much more to it. I think winning a few more games to close the year on an upswing might help.
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crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

Rebuilding is not a guarantee. It can take 10 years or more. It takes luck to successfully rebuild in 3 years or less. Orlando, Denver, Utah are 3 great examples, teams that traded their stars 5 years ago. Even if they have the young players to suggest they will be good in the near future, no guarantee they will actually put it together and it will translate into a winning team. Minnesota finally has very promising pieces, and a franchise star in Towns, but we will see how they build it. They were unsuccessful with Love. We are lucky to have Porzingis. It is a great start, the most challenging piece to get is the cornerstone. And Melo has been open to being the #2 guy and buying into the team thing, but unfortunately he will always be hated to an extent. He is treated as a 40 year old who doesn't fit the youth movement and only resigned for the money. Apparently it had nothing to do with he and his family wanting to be in NY, it was just about the money. It's too bad how he is treated, you are right. He is doing all the right things this season.

I'll take it one step further: it took GS, now with all-world player Curry, 4 years until he and the team were able to finish a season at .500.

4 years. Not 1 season of 17 wins and then .500, 3 years of suck and then .500.

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3/7/2016  6:24 PM
DENVER — Last summer, as the Knicks failed to secure any of the top-flight free agents, Carmelo Anthony limited his involvement to behind-the-scenes recruiting while management took care of the meetings.

“Phil had it,” Anthony explained.

In a candid session with a couple of reporters Monday — still four months from the beginning of New York’s offseason-of-reckoning — Anthony professed his desire to increase his role in free agency, and started it with a public pitch for point guard Rajon Rondo.

“Put me at the head of the (meeting) table,” Anthony said. “And let’s go to work.”

Rondo, who has revived his career in Sacramento, would be a natural target for the Knicks but already expressed that he doesn’t view himself as a good fit in the triangle. Derek Fisher, before he was fired, created an even greater chasm by questioning whether Rondo is an elite player before claiming his opinion of the triangle holds no merit because, “He wasn’t very successful playing against it.”

Anthony tried to mend fences Monday.

“I think Rondo — just me personally, I don’t want to be tampering — but I’ve heard he said he wouldn’t thrive in a system like this,” Anthony said. “I think he’d be perfect in a system like this.”

Anthony then refuted the idea that the triangle isn’t a system for ball-dominant point guards, or averse to those like Rondo who aren’t good shooters but create through penetration.

“It is a misconception about that. Some of the keys of our offense is penetration, getting in the paint,” Anthony said. “Pushing the pace, transition. Creating in the paint for bigs, for yourself, everybody else. I think a point guard would love that. Especially a point guard who can penetrate, create for yourself, create for others. I think it’s a perfect opportunity for him.”

Interim coach Kurt Rambis also pushed back at the idea that “traditional point guards,” as he called them, can’t thrive in the triangle.

“There’s no doubt in my mind that they can have a lot of success in the offense,” he said.

Earlier this season, Anthony told the Daily News that he successfully convinced Rondo to join the Knicks a couple of seasons ago, but the point guard was under contract with the Celtics.

“I’ve talked to him kind of behind the scenes, kind of doing what I do best. Tried to get him to think about playing in New York,” Anthony said. “There was a time where he wanted to come. It’s out of my hands at that point.”

Forget that the Knicks have an unresolved situation at coach, they’ll also need to get creative with the roster just to free up enough cap space for a max free agent. A source told the News that the biggest fish in the summer pond, Kevin Durant, does not consider the Knicks as a destination.

The other top backcourt options include Memphis’ Mike Conley Jr. and Toronto’s DeMar DeRozan. It’s a weak class for guards, but Anthony plans to go hard on the recruiting tour.

“I don’t really have a choice. If we want this team to be better, if we want more pieces of this team, I don’t have a choice but to go out there and do my job and try to get people to come,” he said. “And for them to see it from my perspective than anybody else’s perspective. See it from a player’s perspective.”

Still, he acknowledged the instability surrounding the Knicks is a potential conundrum this summer. Anthony has played under four coaches in under six seasons with 70 different teammates.

“Those are things I worry about when I’m on my own, just trying to reflect on that. So I do worry about consistency, creating something that we have something to look forward to year-in and year-out. Not always just changing everything when something goes bad,” he said. “I think the rest of the league sees that. Players see that. Agents see that. Sometimes it makes it a hard sell.”

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3/7/2016  6:26 PM
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I'll take it one step further: it took GS, now with all-world player Curry, 4 years until he and the team were able to finish a season at .500.

4 years. Not 1 season of 17 wins and then .500, 3 years of suck and then .500.

Patience is important - but let's be honest about the differences - GSW had all their own draft picks and Curry was a rookie.

If you're saying this is how we build around KP - okay I'm on board with that.

But if we're building around Melo, we need to get a little lucky in FA as well as the draft.

Also, GSW got an all-star with the 35th pick in the draft in Draymond Green - something that is quite rare. It can happen, but it is quite rare.

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3/7/2016  6:45 PM
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martin wrote:
I'll take it one step further: it took GS, now with all-world player Curry, 4 years until he and the team were able to finish a season at .500.

4 years. Not 1 season of 17 wins and then .500, 3 years of suck and then .500.

Patience is important - but let's be honest about the differences - GSW had all their own draft picks and Curry was a rookie.

If you're saying this is how we build around KP - okay I'm on board with that.

But if we're building around Melo, we need to get a little lucky in FA as well as the draft.

Also, GSW got an all-star with the 35th pick in the draft in Draymond Green - something that is quite rare. It can happen, but it is quite rare.

Every situation is different. My understanding is that Phil is trying to build a championship team, whether around KP or Melo, it don't matter. He's building the Knicks.

I think pretty much every championship team is lucky somehow. We just got KP. Gotta build on that.

And be patient.

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3/7/2016  6:47 PM
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crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
I'll take it one step further: it took GS, now with all-world player Curry, 4 years until he and the team were able to finish a season at .500.

4 years. Not 1 season of 17 wins and then .500, 3 years of suck and then .500.

Patience is important - but let's be honest about the differences - GSW had all their own draft picks and Curry was a rookie.

If you're saying this is how we build around KP - okay I'm on board with that.

But if we're building around Melo, we need to get a little lucky in FA as well as the draft.

Also, GSW got an all-star with the 35th pick in the draft in Draymond Green - something that is quite rare. It can happen, but it is quite rare.

Every situation is different. My understanding is that Phil is trying to build a championship team, whether around KP or Melo, it don't matter. He's building the Knicks.

I think pretty much every championship team is lucky somehow. We just got KP. Gotta build on that.

And be patient.

Agreed. I think that's the best approach.

Sometimes I think the patient approach would be to trade Melo and maximize value of the 2017 and 2018 picks rather than spurging on B-level free agents and locking ourselves into 3-4 years of being maybe a 5 or 6 seed as Melo winds down.

Sometimes I think the patient approach is sticking with Melo and seeing where it goes.

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3/7/2016  6:49 PM
well. my hope was to build around KP. get younger players from a melo trade and build a core. however if melo wants to stay in ny and recruit free agents, then i applaud him. as much as i want him gone, i applaud his perseverence and character
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
I'll take it one step further: it took GS, now with all-world player Curry, 4 years until he and the team were able to finish a season at .500.

4 years. Not 1 season of 17 wins and then .500, 3 years of suck and then .500.

Patience is important - but let's be honest about the differences - GSW had all their own draft picks and Curry was a rookie.

If you're saying this is how we build around KP - okay I'm on board with that.

But if we're building around Melo, we need to get a little lucky in FA as well as the draft.

Also, GSW got an all-star with the 35th pick in the draft in Draymond Green - something that is quite rare. It can happen, but it is quite rare.


WERE NOT BUILDING AROUND MELO, were just need better players off the bench, and at least a guard that can avg more than AA or calderon.

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3/7/2016  7:51 PM
callmened wrote:well. my hope was to build around KP. get younger players from a melo trade and build a core. however if melo wants to stay in ny and recruit free agents, then i applaud him. as much as i want him gone, i applaud his perseverence and character

I think Melo will see how FA goes. If we can't pull in any players he may waive that NTC. At that point we can look to move him and double up on lotto picks 2017 or get a player from the 2016 draft after the draft.

With that said Rondo will not be a good fit in NY. He has major attitude problems. There will be to much drama with him and the NY media.

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callmened wrote:well. my hope was to build around KP. get younger players from a melo trade and build a core. however if melo wants to stay in ny and recruit free agents, then i applaud him. as much as i want him gone, i applaud his perseverence and character

I think Melo will see how FA goes. If we can't pull in any players he may waive that NTC. At that point we can look to move him and double up on lotto picks 2017 or get a player from the 2016 draft after the draft.

With that said Rondo will not be a good fit in NY. He has major attitude problems. There will be to much drama with him and the NY media.

is Melo worth lotto picks? even if he was...doesnt he want to go to contenders like cleveland, clippers who DONT have lotto pics

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/7/2016  8:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:It's too bad so many fans hate him - we have an all-star here committed to bringing in more talent and winning here.

Also, as Howard Beck tweeted earlier today - Magic traded Dwight Howard four years ago. They're still rebuilding - still hoping to lure a max guy this summer in Orlando.

Sometimes it's hard to get back once you blow it up. Takes luck in FA and luck in the draft. We got some luck in the draft this year for the first time in years. Maybe we get some real luck in FA this off-season? Maybe Wroten pans out?

Who knows.

Defended Melo too many times over the years to be accused of hating him, at the same time if we could get some high first round picks, cap relief, some offer that lets the Knicks build around KP with blue chip talent, then Im all for it,

I see a generational talent in KP, just want to surround him with teammates he wont have to keep getting used to. Comes with the territory, but Id like the core of this team to be around for a long time. We've seen how beneficial that can be.

There is also something to be said about a future HOFer showing him the ropes, so I don't want to make it sound like the alternative cant have a good outcome as well.

This move doesnt surprise me about Melo, he's been talking about it for some time, Porzingis made it an easier sell, so there is reason to be optimistic.
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3/7/2016  9:00 PM
callmened wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
callmened wrote:well. my hope was to build around KP. get younger players from a melo trade and build a core. however if melo wants to stay in ny and recruit free agents, then i applaud him. as much as i want him gone, i applaud his perseverence and character

I think Melo will see how FA goes. If we can't pull in any players he may waive that NTC. At that point we can look to move him and double up on lotto picks 2017 or get a player from the 2016 draft after the draft.

With that said Rondo will not be a good fit in NY. He has major attitude problems. There will be to much drama with him and the NY media.

is Melo worth lotto picks? even if he was...doesnt he want to go to contenders like cleveland, clippers who DONT have lotto pics

If he goes to Cleveland or Clippers it would have to be a 3 team deal with Love or Blake or Jordan changing teams probably for lotto picks which would be forwarded to the Knicks.

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callmened wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
callmened wrote:well. my hope was to build around KP. get younger players from a melo trade and build a core. however if melo wants to stay in ny and recruit free agents, then i applaud him. as much as i want him gone, i applaud his perseverence and character

I think Melo will see how FA goes. If we can't pull in any players he may waive that NTC. At that point we can look to move him and double up on lotto picks 2017 or get a player from the 2016 draft after the draft.

With that said Rondo will not be a good fit in NY. He has major attitude problems. There will be to much drama with him and the NY media.

is Melo worth lotto picks? even if he was...doesnt he want to go to contenders like cleveland, clippers who DONT have lotto pics

I think that is why the one rumor with the Celtics makes a lot of sense if they want Love and Melo would go to Cleveland. If the Knicks did a deal with the celtics I would love for them to somehow get Crowder. I don't think that happens but he would be a nice addition.
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3/7/2016  9:08 PM
You could also currently get a Willie Cauley Stein, Frank Kaminski, Stanley Johnson, Justice Winslow, Marion Hezonja, who were all lotto picks this past draft for Melo right now.
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newyorknewyork wrote:
callmened wrote:well. my hope was to build around KP. get younger players from a melo trade and build a core. however if melo wants to stay in ny and recruit free agents, then i applaud him. as much as i want him gone, i applaud his perseverence and character

I think I hope Melo will see how FA goes. If we can't pull in any players he may waive that NTC. At that point we can look to move him and double up on lotto picks 2017 or get a player from the 2016 draft after the draft.

With that said Rondo will not be a good fit in NY. He has major attitude problems. There will be to much drama with him and the NY media.


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callmened wrote:well. my hope was to build around KP. get younger players from a melo trade and build a core. however if melo wants to stay in ny and recruit free agents, then i applaud him. as much as i want him gone, i applaud his perseverence and character

I think I hope Melo will see how FA goes. If we can't pull in any players he may waive that NTC. At that point we can look to move him and double up on lotto picks 2017 or get a player from the 2016 draft after the draft.

With that said Rondo will not be a good fit in NY. He has major attitude problems. There will be to much drama with him and the NY media.


thats the real way you feel

I only hope for things to work out in the Knicks favor. Doesn't really matter how it happens. If Melo stays and we land a FA and start to win some more while maintaining flexibility to improve I will be happy. If we trade Melo and land lotto picks hopefully they pan out and we can have a nice young core of stud players I will be happy. Melo stays and we strike out in FA. Then my hope would shift to Wroten turning into a stud player to make up for the lack of FA signings, our cap space will close to double the following yr, we will have our draft pick again, maybe Hgomes comes and becomes a quality player as well.

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